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[avonleah]

Roo and Zapsi did a great job by gathering half the Midgard population to try slaying the dragon. It went well, and let's face this : most people showed up cos they now had a chance to get their hands on a respec stone.
After the dragonraid Roo again gathered alot of people to perform a lotto of the recieved items/drops. Not everyone or every guild got the respec stones they wanted, and so what ? This was the first dragonraid with hopefully more to come in near future. And since it was the first dragonraid and alot of people need respec, you would think everyone would be fair and only roll for a respec stone if you really needed it.
So now I wonder how a stone could be sold ? The original owners of the stone obviously didn't need it, so why roll for it in the first place ? And when not needed why not offer it in open so everyone could make a bid ?
Yes, I'm really pissed and I think, I have a pretty valid reason to be pissed, cos let me point this out again : first dragonraid after the patch and that stone could have gone to a guild who actually needed it !

Avonleah

 

[Solid]

/agree

Hate people who are just thinking of making a quick buck in this manner.

Respec stones are not SOJ ffs and they are god damn precious.

Problem is tho they are really the only itemary reward worth anything off the dragon, cept maybe her 2H weaps (best in the realm by far).

Dragon rewards are just not worth the effort atm unless u really need a respec.

 

[mordia]

YHYY I WANT MY STONES SNIFFLES

 

[thorungla]

Agreed - having read all the good intentions for stone distribution, I was a little dissapointed to see ppl selling them already. Fair enough, those people looking to trade one type for another, although perhaps they shouldn't have needed to if stones were allocated according to 'need' instead of regular lotto as it seems.

Having said all that, none of this is relevant to me since I wasn't present on the raid as only became aware of it as I logged in after my Sunday roast beef and yorkshire pudding

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by thorungla
roast beef

Thanks alot, you just ruined my evening

on a sidenote I also agree with Avon

 

[Cush]

I agree with the Roast Beef






and avon

 

[klavrynd]

i just think that soj > respec stones

 

[Azal]

Same thing happens all the time on US servers, people lotto for respec stones from TG raids etc then just sell em straight away.

totally imo, sad. But some people 'need' respec stones some ppl 'need' the money..what can you do

 

[avonleah]

Originally posted by Azal
But some people 'need' respec stones some ppl 'need' the money..

You'r right, Azal. Alot of people need something in this game including money, but that was not the way to solve it. If money are that desperately needed, go farm DF for a couple of hours.

Avonleah

 

[thorungla]

Aye I can understand people needing money - ashame there are lots of different way to make gold and only one way to get a respec, well 2 since those that do need them will be forced to buy them.

Oh yeah, just had a lovely roast beef and horseradish sandwich, yummm

 

[avonleah]

Originally posted by thorungla
Oh yeah, just had a lovely roast beef and horseradish sandwich, yummm

Don't you dare trying to hijack my whinethread by talking about food, and shame on you for making me hungry !

 

[Aerran Darktyde]

TR sold the stone they got because as a guild it was decided that the money raised could help our crafters this benefit out weighed its use by TR and benefited the guild as a whole (yes we have people in guild that would like to use a respec stone)....

So instead of One of TR benifiting from stone the whole guild has to a greater or lesser degree..


I do not have to justify what we did with the stone to anyone..
We partook in raid like everyone else the Group actually did what Roo wanted and followed the plan. and we got a share of the loot..

You will never make everyone happy at a raid especially one with so many guilds and people at..

and would you have been posting Avonleah if you were the one that had bought it ... I think not .. it is just sour grapes

Blood is now happy and it is not like he is going to Use it as a paperweight , he will be using it to Respec one of his characters..

I doubt we will be the last guild to sell a dragon stone i expect others have been sold already.. others will sit in vaults till future patches maybe not to be used at all.. which is the biggest waste??

If you had one stone and 3 people wanted it how would you sort it out you would lotto it and 2 people would be without it.. and the 4th guy that wanted it but was not able to make lotto did not even get a chance...you cant please all of the people..

I did not do a Public auction because that would be "Profiteering" 2 people had made offers for the stone and they are the ones that got offered it

Just get on with playing the game and hunting the mobs that will drop stones in the future patches...

the current stones have made Midgard stronger stat wise try not make petty arguments that lowers midgard...

We pay our Subs the same as you do we tell you how to play ..

But i suppose posts like this are to be expected here ..

And for the record I went to the dragon to see it die..If I wanted Gold I would have been better spending the few hours for raid and the 3 hours lotto hunting in DF.. and could have personally made far more money.

 

[thorungla]

Indeed that is all a fair argument, personally im not whining or passing comment on anyone or guild. I just feel that killing something like the dragon should be done for primarily the 'being involved in a realm raid' reason, like you said, to see the dragon die, and as a side product to help those in need of a respec.

As you said you could have made more money in the same time for your guild elsewhere. Just recently we did a quick DF raid to raise gold for guild crafters. The first raid lasted about 2 hours and raised almost 5p. The second was an evenings event and raised 3 times that.

And Avon - Jenna and Cush forced me to revisit the roast beef I had left over, I assure you there was no cattle/post hijaking involved

 

[zapzap]

Iam sure it would have been fair to make it a public auction to the guilds that where at the DR. And Iam sure Roo said stones only to guilds that need it.

lots went to see the dragon get killed but iam sure 90 % went to help a friend try get a respec stone.

U did what u thouht was right and yes more will be sold no doubt but was first raid.

Careless-Zapsi

 

[dozigden]

I really dont see the problem - the stone will (i presume) be used for the benefit of the realm - and as a side effect of that a growing guild has some more funds.

Wheres the issue here? its not like they did a <shift>-D on it or sold it to an alb!

Why should a respec stone be any different to any other piece of loot? should we not be allowed to sell anything next???

Frankly this looks like sour grapes to me - if it is then just go make another dragon raid - I'm a strong supporter of the "raid leader gets first pick" type suggestion thats been made several times - it just needs to be made clear to people before hand.

Stop flaming each other and go hit some elves.

 

[zapzap]

Then lets make a new DR

If people where happy I will do same plan less guilds maybe or less groups so each get 1 no need for more then 25 groups.

Zapsi the healer with 1 eye

 

[Thorgald]

yes please Zapsi.. my shammy needs full mending so he can spam top frigs

 

[snoz]

I lost out in the bid war for Aerran's stone, I offered 6 plat + Realm Stone, i lost out to a bid of 8 plat i think it was.

But hey I never saw it as anything other then fair play, Yes i was on the dragon raid and no i did not get the skill stone i wanted i got a damn realm stone.

Everyone that went on the raid has a equal right to get whatever stone also whether they need it or not.

The way roo conducted the lotto seemed 100% fair to me.

Selling them is down to the people who went on the raid and their business only, whining about it is bent imho and u guys should stop it and put your time and effort into about setting up another dragon raid, you might get lucky

 

[Cush]

Still find it rather silly to enter a lotto for a item that you dont need only to sell it when there is far easier ways to gain more and faster money.

 

[Tiwaz]

I wasn't there, so maybe I should not comment, but...

As far as Roo wrote before the hunt, you didn't ENTER the lotto for the stones - the stones was lottoed between all groups (not guilds) participating. That way the stones may very well have ended in the hands of people who didn't actually need them.

Seen in that perspective, I cannot possibly see anything wrong in selling them to those who really need them. It sure is a lot better that just hide it in your stash.

Just my thoughts...

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Originally posted by Cush
Still find it rather silly to enter a lotto for a item that you dont need only to sell it when there is far easier ways to gain more and faster money.

Some of TR could have used a skill stone or a Realm stone..
but this way ALL of TR gains and the people that could have used the skill stone agreed with the desision..

I did not see the Guilds that took 4+ groups offering not to take more than one stone of each type!!!

It prehaps would have been fairer for a stone of each type to go to each guild thier.. then atleast each guild would have had one of each but then the guilds that brought loads of groups would have whinged....

now 7.5 plat that was doing nothing in Bloods Account will now help TR crafters.. which helps not only Us but anyone who uses the crafters... and helps midgard now Some more of its warriors will have better battle gear....

I am happy now Mid has Killed the big lizard and that I got to see it but saddens me to see such silly comments as some here...

 

[old.Spug]

As one of the TR crafters that benefitted, I'd like to thank blood for my share that helped me hit 1100 tailoring last night.

Personally I was also one of the guild members considering using the stone for a respec, but to me, getting to 1100+ was far more important.

If the group you were in lotto'd your stone, and you didnt win, then sorry, thats the way luck goes. only way you can be sure of a stone, 100% sure, is to organise the raid yourself, and announce before hand that one of the stones goes to you.

now, who was it handing out sandwiches?

 

[Makwaerk]

TR has every right to sell the stone imo, they worked just as hard as anyone else, and they did not get a unfair advanged in the lotto due to "need", like you saw in the old WoW hunts.

If they benefit more by selling the stone then they should sell the stone

 

[Blue Ix]

Roast Beef > Soj > Respec Stone

 

[Blue Ix]

That is just imho fyi, cba tbh irl atm.

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Kerram Darktyde
Account will now help TR crafters.. which helps not only Us but anyone who uses the crafters...

Oh all of TRs crafters will sell at material cost then? Well that's cool!

 

[old.Spug]

heh, I think not, no... we sell cheap though... well... cheapish...

well...

hey, I've a kobold and several trolls to feed!

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Originally posted by Freia
Oh all of TRs crafters will sell at material cost then? Well that's cool!

Ooo do yours??

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Kerram Darktyde
Ooo do yours??

Yes I know several people who are nice enough to sell me armor at material prices even though they did not get lucky in a lottery.

So will your crafters do that? Cause otherwise I do not see how you getting rich will benefit the whole of midgard because there are several really nice crafters out there already with really chep prizes.
See I just wanted to know exactly how you could claim that it was good for midgard. I'm not agruing with any other points (at the moment...)

 

[old.Spug]

I dont think selling crafted items at cost can be considered a "reasonable" price, but sure, i've done it on a number of occasions, generally though its to people in TR, PW, or members of the alliance we belong to. but its not something I intend to make a habit of, (not if its SC quality) because, lets face it, I can easy spend an hour or two trying to make a suit of 99% or MP. this is time I could be out enjoying myself.

I dont charge a bomb, and frequently respond to broadcasts, and I've given away more lower level armour than i could begin to list.

Primarily having/being a high level crafter in TR will benefit TR first, our alliance second, and misc members of the realm third.

I know you weren't expecting a response on this, and were most likely raising the point for the sake of creating an argument over the matter, but IMO I doubt we're not the first guild to sell loot we obtained from a hunt, but at least this way its benefitting the guild as a whole, rather than the one member who had the loot.