Which realm do u consider beeing the hardest to fight?

[old.Filip]

You maintain u cant stealth cause your group needs speed for an effective gank squad. The range of seeing another player is alot higher than 1500. I dont see how you can call that a gank squad if it charges in and gets mezzed. More a group of RP cows. You should have the awareness of not too charge striaght in without taking out healer. Or at least charge in with some distance between you, not all on stick.

i migth mis understand you ... but as i see it you suggest this


Mid and alb group see's each other... minstrel stealths leaving the group without speed to manuver ?

first of all if we see the enemy in clipping plan range, this is what a lot of minstrels do..

But if the mid's dont charge. then you have a group yelling "SSPEEEDDD" to the minstrel and the mid group have escaped

but in my experince the battle happens all the sudden when you turn a conor or climp a hill..

and sometimes there the minstrels react very fast and identifie the healer and stops him .... and i think all group minstrels are rdy to die for the group .... becuase if their are not they will solo (or join a stealth group) .. group minstrels die a lot

but imho it must be easyere to target some1 and fire the 1500 Instant AE mezz.. than find the healer and fire the 700 instant stun and after that pull the flute and 3 sec mezz the healer..

if this not happens the alb group without sorc will die..

and btw Nijnildril have testet the mezz timer

The insta mez healers got doesnt trigger an immunity timer of any kind. Ive tested it

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Trapp|Uberleech


you're kidding? if not, nasty as frking hell

think it might be bugged this version - some of the mezz spells have no resists set so don't get affected etc.

roll on 1.52

 

[old.Wildfire]

Any alb group with minstral can take out healer....

Yes if you ignore the range thing and the fact that healers vastly outnumber minstrels.

 

[Novamir]

ahem

Healers vastly outnumbering minstrels? this i'd love to see, must be a parallel emain where the grass is pink and Wrathofsauron has no buffbot

 

[bf_kate]

Originally posted by Novamir
ahem

Healers vastly outnumbering minstrels? this i'd love to see, must be a parallel emain where the grass is pink and Wrathofsauron has no buffbot

Minstrels 45-50 = 73
Healers 45-50 = 75

Don't think many of the minstrels are bots tho

 

[Novamir]

ok well it aint vastly tho

im sure all mid healers have stealther alts by now anyway... not many groups in emain have a Healer (though sometimes loads come), but there always seems to be 1-2 minstrels per group and the solo ones which pop up when ya start fighting

 

[old.Second]

Re: to filip..

Originally posted by Zarek Excalibur
Original post states minstrals have the ability too stop healers.


You argue minstrals got 700 stun, and healers got 1500 range, on there instant casts. Which is correct.


Zarek

MINSTREL EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

just had to say it hehe.

 

[bf_kate]

ooO

I had a group with 4 minstrels yesterday (4 minstrels = 1 sorcerer?). Lately, it's been common to have 2-3 in group.

Then I had a group with 2 (!!!!!) sorcerers and a minstrel. Enemy tanks didn't even look at me twice, I was a happy bunny.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Re: Re: to filip..

Originally posted by old.Second


MINSTREL EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

just had to say it hehe.

Call them Mincers - easier to spell

 

[Novamir]

kate = bunny

 

[Flimgoblin]

I think at the moment Midgard are probably the nastiest - that insta aoe stun hurts...

also they seem to be very organised.

Hibs are nasty but don't have the insta's.

Albs are an unruly bunch - if you found an 8-man gank squad they might be quite nasty, but they'd have to get the jump on a mid 8-man gank squad to have a chance (or have good RAs and be well spread out)

 

[Trubble]

Healers is one of the strongest RvR classes

Show me a class that will mean more to a group than a healer. I bet you will try, but you cant find anyone. The most powerful group RvR character in Daoc is Midgaard Healer.

Its very unreal how good healers are. Take a look at their spell list!

I listed their powers with the following spec in mind (22 mending, 25 augmentation, 42 pacification)

INSTA single target heal (55% heal)
INSTA group heal (50% heal)
Rez (50% hp, 25% power)
Group run speed (138% speed)
Atk speed bufs (+12%)
Power regen buf (power buf 4)
INSTA atk speed debuff (-35%)
Single target mez (70 sec)
INSTA AE mez (26 sec)
AE mez (52 sec)
Single target stun (11 sec)
INSTA AE stun (9 sec)
Root (56 sec)

Look at all those instas! Heals, Mez and Stun all on INSTAs. We all know that INSTAs are super powerful in RvR because the fact that you dont have to stand still for a certain time in order to avoid interrupting yourself etc.

On top of that Healers wears CHAIN armor! They have good hps: They start with either 80 con (dwarf) or 70 con (norse) and have con as a primary stat that gets improved with levels!

.... ack how much juice can you get in one class.... the only problem healers have is how to manage all the hotkey bars for all their super nice RvR abilities.

If it wasnt for all my real life friends playing in another realm, I would have made a healer. He is even good for powerlevelling alts with.

Look at it in comparison: Hibs ae mezzers Bards dont have insta AE mez (although will get it), doesnt wear the same good armor and have no insta self heals. Sorcs... *laugh* - they have few hps and no armor, you may argue a sorc can nuke, but he rarely lives long enough to get to that point, cause he cant stun.

Now try find another class with as good INSTAs as the healer, I challenge you.

Also I said group character. All the healer has to do is group up with a few damage dealers, and they will be a pretty strong ganker group that will rake in RPs.

Someone said that healers are weak to stealth classes... bullshit, if a stealth class attacks you just insta him. A minstrel may be able to mez you and the stun you for 6 secs while he shoots both his DD and hits you with his weapon, but its likely the healer wont be dead after the 6 secs has passed... and then its insta heal, stun & mez... runaway.

Dont come cry about the 10 mins recast timer. Its normal that at least 10 minutes will go between the important fight. I mean your victims have to get back through the teleport or if they get a rez they will have to regen up and rebuff first.

I can see you have it difficult when you are vastly outnumbered.... but hell who hasnt? Long live the zerg.

Make me some waffles,
Wafeljern

 

[Zarek Excalibur]

filip...

"and sometimes there the minstrels react very fast and identifie the healer and stops him"

Thats all i stated minstrals have the ability too stop a healer.
Whether they do or not is a differnt matter.


"ask the tanks .. they do get mezz'ed 2 times and stunned 2 times in the 1 min timer..

Thats the reason why most alb tanks i know buy determination instead of pudge"
"

"and btw Nijnildril have testet the mezz timer"

If this is the case which i stonglly doubt, you know aswell as i do. Mythic didnt plan on that, and its a bug. Which will get fixed sooner or later.
But im a healer.. and i have NEVER ever been able too mezz a target straight after i insta mezzed it. I have first hand experience.. and unless ive been extremly lucky/unlucky i think the test was flawed.


Zarek

 

[Zarek Excalibur]

to Wafeljern..

Can u state which patch release u are taling about?
And whether it be group or single class/fight

Atm u list healers stuff as 1.52. Insta attack debuff for example. But then compare him too 1.50 Bard.

You ask too list a better Group RvR character in RvR then give a scenario of a 1v1 fight..

"Someone said that healers are weak to stealth classes... bullshit, if a stealth class attacks you just insta him. A minstrel may be able to mez you and the stun you for 6 secs while he shoots both his DD and hits you with his weapon, but its likely the healer wont be dead after the 6 secs has passed... and then its insta heal, stun & mez... runaway."

Its not a very good group minstral too use his stun and fight the healer on his own. Why use a 6sec stun when u have clerics and tanks longer duration stun in group? And even if no alternative in group 6secs is ample time too kill a healer if the group is aware ofats going on.
So kinda asuming u mean 1v1 fight.

Its no secret healers rely mainy on groups for realm points, unless a high aug specced one But they can generally only lose or get away in 1v1 fights. But jsut cause they get away doesnt make them any stonger . They didnt win the fight jsut posponed the death.

Healers are a very versitile crowd controller, but lack in any offensive. I dont think u should try comparing class v class. But Group v Group in 1.52 the only thing a healer based group will have over a middie and hib group is Insta Stun and Insta AOE stun. Everythign else can be matched or beaten by a well made up hib alb group.

Midguard even though they have the healer, Mythic believed to be inferrior in mezzing classes? Hence why we having SM mezz lines


Zarek

Ohh BTW my spiritmaster gonna OWN
Be ready too fear Ziodus

Possible 331 base PBAOE .AOEMEZZ .PBMezz. Quickcast . insta debuffs. Nuke. Bladeturn. Pet. Single mezz. Heal. Rez.

OMG nerffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

 

[old.Filip]

Its not a very good group minstral too use his stun and fight the healer on his own. Why use a 6sec stun when u have clerics and tanks longer duration stun in group? And even if no alternative in group 6secs is ample time too kill a healer if the group is aware ofats going on.

Agree with Minstrel should not figth the healer ... the healer would own him..

But if the minstel dont use his instant stun to stop the Healer instant AE mezzing his group, how should alb do it then ??

(instant stun then mezz ofcause)

i really dunno how it should be done else ..

(btw after the mezz some very evil minded healers use purge and instant AE mezzmy group any way)

/em happy mids dont bring that many healers with em to RvR

 

[Eblessair]

Mids, without a doubt

 

[old.Niljindil]

Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by Juanita


Ok fair enough, but sorceres do get an insta-debuff (AoE too), healers get a single target insta debuff.

just so you know, debuffs no longer interupt after they become instas.

Bard amnesia is the only amnesia worth having. Insta > all

 

[Treniel-]

it really amazes me the way mids can say instant ae stun isn't over powered...

 

[Trubble]

To Zarek

Zarek, a group scenario:

Mids vs Albs where we assume no one has advantage over the other, like ambush/surprice/etc:

Healer target a central alb and starts spamming his insta-ae-mez button untill they in range and gets mezzed. Sorc is doing the same, but only to find out when the mids are in range. At that point he has to stop op and quickcast mez. But then its too late...

The Alb insta mez on cleric is point blank range, and it has to be a bad played healer if the cleric reaches into the middle of the mid group and gets his mez off there.

Minstrels have way shorter range than mids, so healer has minstrel mezzed long before minstrel is up close. If minstrel stealths and moves towards the healer all his mates are mezzed and maybe killed by the time he gets into range with the healer. Finaly minstrel cant start mez song while out of range, but a smart minstrel might start mez song at top range, move out of range, and back into range before song stops... ok ok... dream on...

Should the healer somehow gets mezzed first, its not over. If you dont break his mez with a good long stun he will insta ae mez you. If a sorc is messed its over, his weak hp and armor makes him dead before he gets his quickcasted spell off in most cases, and because the sorcs can get insta mezzed before he is done casting his spell, this is often the case...

With Bards getting insta AE mez in 1.52, hibs is going to be an even worse nightmare than mids, as the casters dont have to coordinate a stun from the bard since they can do it themselves: Insta AE mezzed... Paralyzed... dead.

Where is the ranged insta AE mez in Albion?

Make me some waffles,
Wafeljern

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by Treniel-
it really amazes me the way mids can say instant ae stun isn't over powered...

remove such things as insta ae stun/mess, and healer is a _DEAD_ breed. noone would be playing them in rvr.. they could do that, but then they should reprogram thanes mjollnir to be ae mezz, then all would be ok :>

 

[Zarek Excalibur]

to Wafeljern..

All i can say is a very defeatest attitude, if all you can think is how u gonna lose the fight.

If thats the case why RvR in the first place


Zarek



I think insta on a 10min timer is a pretty good comprismise too a permant quickcast.

Im sure lots would think on both sides.. the grass is greener on the other side

 

[Trubble]

To Zarek

Zarek, im sad to see that you think its so pointless for Albs to RvR that they should ask themselves why they bother to do it...

Fortunately for Albs they can still win by sheer numbers... Long Live The Zerg!

Make me some waffles,
Mr. Wafeljern.

 

[Zarek Excalibur]

"Zarek, im sad to see that you think its so pointless for Albs to RvR that they should ask themselves why they bother to do it..."

No idea how you come too that conclusion. Ive maintainned all along its down too the individual make up fo the groups and the people playing those characters, across all 3 realms. I wouldnt welcome someoen in my group whether it be alb mid or hib, if that person could only think about losing. I wanan enjoy the game and here postivie things. I dont want to hear people whine about the zerg and other realms classes.. you make do with your resources the best u can.

I played ALB for half my DAOC life on euro server, and only have ALB characters on US.
But ive never cried about someone has got this or that. Cause its always been possible too beat them.

Zarek

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by Zarek Excalibur
"Zarek, im sad to see that you think its so pointless for Albs to RvR that they should ask themselves why they bother to do it..."

No idea how you come too that conclusion. Ive maintainned all along its down too the individual make up fo the groups and the people playing those characters, across all 3 realms. I wouldnt welcome someoen in my group whether it be alb mid or hib, if that person could only think about losing. I wanan enjoy the game and here postivie things. I dont want to hear people whine about the zerg and other realms classes.. you make do with your resources the best u can.

I played ALB for half my DAOC life on euro server, and only have ALB characters on US.
But ive never cried about someone has got this or that. Cause its always been possible too beat them.

Zarek

well said Zarek... everyone has the tools to make a great RvR group, it's just how much you care about doing it.

 

[Treniel-]

after just being de messed by wuren and moving onto kill a bard and a caster with wuren still whacking at me and missing 5-6 times in a row (had theurgist in group) i would have to say mids

wuren me dear i know u love me lots and lots but come on ! u meant to be a experienced rvr'r

 

[Trubble]

to zarek

Zarek, please have it in your healer-heart to forgive me for stating an opinion that by some will be considered complaining or whining. I am not out to hurt anyone or get compassion, I am merely trying to discuss something I find interesting. ;-)

Instas sucks and is a poor design solution made to help out classes without quickcast to get out of a hairy RvE situation. I think I have managed to show that the healer instas are the most powerful available atm in the game. In my opinion, Mythic should remove the insta ae stun and change the healer and bard insta ae mez (1.52) to work like the albion clerics pbaoe mez (1.52). This will probably be viewed as a nerf, so maybe its just better to make sure that all three realms have access to the exact same insta crowd control. At least then there will be some competition on who can hit the button the fastest...

Make me some waffles,
Mr. Wafeljern

 

[old.Zoyster]

d00ds u r all confused, I've only been on holiday for 1 week, things cant have changed that much !!!!!....looks like my fair realm need me baq !!

In my experience any alb group Im normally in, does a good job of ganking any enemies, midds bieng easier than Hibbs........

And as a mage I am used to dropping 4/5 enemies in a 8 v 8 battle, so alb mages are'nt weak at all.

anyway its raining here in Zante & I cant w8 to get baq to England & GANK GANK GANK uke:

P.s. Unless u have a full wardrobe of football t-shirts....NEVER COME TO ZANTE !!!!!!! the people here sux

 

[hotrat]

Things that alb dont have:
Hib:
Soon a 1500 range insta ae mezz.
Mana buff from mentalist.
2300 range insta amnesia.
Tanks with insane hits (M00SE)
Baseline stun on casters (1500 range).

Mid:
Insta 1500 range ae mezz.
Insta 1500 range ae stun.
Castable 1500 range ae stun.
1500 range 11 second stun (albs longest range stun is 1000).

Alb:
1800 range pets.
Stealthing class with mezz and insta stun.


Also alb does have nearsight but its on the most unpopular class in the game.

All alb really lacks is a decent range stun, and a ranged insta mezz. Both of these can kind of be made up for by minstrels but 5 sec ae mezz or 1500 range insta mezz? hmmm .

 

[Aussie-]

Sorcers also have 2300 range amnesia =)

edit: hmm nm, didnt see the 'insta' =p

 

[Kobold]

remove insta mez from the game, it s00x :sleeping: