Pazdan said:Try playing something you are happy with rather than going for the uber l33t kiddie FOTM class. You have a better chance of playing your chosen character well rather than playing straight easy mode. Which is just lame.
Sycho said:So true, hence one of the reasons i made my wizard.I often see ***** saying " you realise chanter is so much better? or caba has more utility?" i really do not give a shit, i have fun with my wiz and do good i think.Any class is good if you put effort, time into making it a good toa sc set and rvr with people you like playing with.
Oro said:Ownage in NF will be initially by teams of peeps that know how to siege properly. Individual chars and specs will have an impact but not as much as it does just now in FG RvR.
Agree it will change when it settles down and that appropriate nerfs will be handed out by Mythic left, right and centre so be careful of going for what you think will be fotm.
I can only echo what has been said above. Pick something you like the way it plays and go for it
The idealist view of picking a class you have fun playing, doesn't work in reality.
There needs to be a balance between fun and effectiveness, otherwise you'll end up on forums whining about this class or that fotm group... etc
Pazdan said:If you are picking a class but you don't have fun with it, why the hell are you playing the GAME?
All classes have their bonuses. It is just that the geek crowd haven't fingured out how to use them in their little setups yet. For instance. Try running with an Infil (with see hidden and a Shades of Mist Cloak) in a none "stealther war" group and clean up the milegates. Take a friar instead of an armsman. Those buggers can do incredible damage, have good resist buffs and can heal a little if need be. That earth wiz that you all call a gimp can have three bolt spells and AOE root and can clear out those milegate room campers.
All classes are usefull just that the FOTM "balanced", win at all costs idiots, can't see past their noses.
If you think Earth wizzies are fun to play, go ahead and roll one. But when you don't get groups and can't solo, come back and tell us how much fun you had.
I'm not saying to play a class purely because it's fotm... but one which is good in groups and fun to play. Between those two extremes you fiind a balance.
but it is the reality of how groups work and it's not likely to change.
RvR would be alot more fun with random classes and no consideration for abilities. In this atmosphere, you could play the classes you like the most and everyone would probably be happy and stop killing each other. But that's not how RvR is, so you need to change your perspective on what is a 'fun' class to play.
Escape said:The idealist view of picking a class you have fun playing, doesn't work in reality.
Pazdan said:Playing for fun is why we are all here. Having to strike a balance between playing for fun and what your mates want is a flawed argument. I mean if your mates wanted you to go bunge jumping and you didn;t like heights, would you go just to please them? Not the sort of friends you should be after in my opinion. If playing for fun means playing a class that helps your mates out then great.. but don;t do out of your way to play a class purely to try and get in with the in crowd. A class that you don;t really want to play but end up playing because of peer pressure.
Escape said:. The RvR system is flawed and doesn't cater for all classes/specs. You can run in a randomly formed group but inevitably you will run into organised players, who will kill you without a sweat,
i tend to disagree, take alook at Divious, a thane but he got rr10 or whatever on a class which is considered to be no opted for rvr group usage. I go by the feeling that, although a class my not be as good as another it's how the person plays it, and how the people of that realm react, e.g are gimps and say, " no we leet we must only have fotm chars". etc.Class discrimination exists and you can't blame the players but Mythic for this. If you're going to invest time and effort into an RvR character, don't choose one because it's fun to play, but because it's fun and usefull to the group. Otherwise you won't get groups and you'll end up quitting!
I'm looking at this from the perspective of someone who wants to roll an RvR character.
The answer(if you want to engage in 1fg Vs 1fg battles) is to run organised groups of your own
It's not a 'needs of the many outweight the needs of the few' dilemma, but if you're in a group you should contribute to it positively and to the best of your character's abilities. Like you've said, you needed to respec your wiz to ice for PvE because earth wizzies aren't accepted easily. Avalon City is the worst place in Albion, you'll see more discrimination there than anywhere else... anyway, don't say there's no fun in playing an ice wiz! imo it's the most fun PvE spec.
Class discrimination exists and you can't blame the players but Mythic for this. If you're going to invest time and effort into an RvR character, don't choose one because it's fun to play, but because it's fun and usefull to the group. Otherwise you won't get groups and you'll end up quitting
leviathane said:i tend to disagree, take alook at Divious, a thane but he got rr10 or whatever on a class which is considered to be no opted for rvr group usage. I go by the feeling that, although a class my not be as good as another it's how the person plays it, and how the people of that realm react, e.g are gimps and say, " no we leet we must only have fotm chars". etc.
Pazdan said:I am looking at it from a perspective that this is a game. If you get your jollies by playing a character that everyone else wants you to play then bully for you. I don;t really see the point in looking to see what is needed to be uber just because the leet crew wont talk to you unless you dance to their tune. Hell, we should all be adults here and not pushed around just because some little wanker say's that you are a gimp and gets insulting because you haven't got what he needs.
Pazdan said:If things aren't being done the way you would like them to be done then do it yourself. You want to play a Thane for instance and like the idea of RvRing with them but get told "fuck off mezz breaker gimp" then start your own group. Eight Thanes in one group would be rather tricky to take down if they cast all their aoe insta's at once. If you like playing a scout but want to group up in a none stealther way, then start your own group. You can guard a caster. You can shoot and interrupt. You can stun if anyone gets too close. All you have to do is think about the group you have and work out a plan. Most things works as long as you think about for a few mins.
Pazdan said:It is a game. The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.
Pazdan said:About 650 people log onto Albion Pryd everynight. We have a wonderfull variety of guilds and people from accross Europe. (yes even the Dutch ). All of these guilds and people want different things. It is a way to find likeminded folks who believe in the same ethics of the game as you do. If you find that you are in a guild and they start insulting you or making you play certain classes, fuck em off. Go and find proper friends in another guild. There are plenty of people out there rather than the l33t crew who feel they speak for the whole server.
Pazdan said:If you are picking a class but you don't have fun with it, why the hell are you playing the GAME?
All classes have their bonuses. It is just that the geek crowd haven't fingured out how to use them in their little setups yet. For instance. Try running with an Infil (with see hidden and a Shades of Mist Cloak) in a none "stealther war" group and clean up the milegates. Take a friar instead of an armsman. Those buggers can do incredible damage, have good resist buffs and can heal a little if need be. That earth wiz that you all call a gimp can have three bolt spells and AOE root and can clear out those milegate room campers.
All classes are usefull just that the FOTM "balanced", win at all costs idiots, can't see past their noses.