Whate warlock spec?

[achaius]

i had fun in a kind of twisted way playing my warlock in thid, but after a while of feeling the pain of people on the other side of those dots all the way over here i deleted it at level 25

Your goodness shone through in the end and you rejected the pull of the dark side!

Either that or you couldn't be arsed levelling another toon?

 

[RS|Phil]

I know they are overpowered but for around 5 seconds, then they may as well sit down and start typing /release

..........and in keep fights are extremely overpowered. It's just a case of build up chambers, go to the window and mash your face into the keyboard to fire the chambers at someone. There you go, 1000 rps. Wait 20 seconds, do it again. It compeltely unbalances a game which isnt all that far from balance.

Whilst that made me chortle I find myself thinking of a sorcerer simply tapping F8 and holding down lifetap. Even if someone has the reflexes to react the instant they're hit most of the time the following three spells will hit them also whilst they try to back off from the window - ya know, assuming the Sorc is tricked out ToA wise and most will be.

It's a shame warlocks only get 1x spec points. Totally limits their spec to two real choices, or three if you want the better WC options with reducded damage. I'd happily accept (another) reduction in the hex line DPS if we got even 1.2x spec points per level so we could use the curse line. As it stands we're all around 3 curse.

 

[Vodkafairy]

Your goodness shone through in the end and you rejected the pull of the dark side!

Either that or you couldn't be arsed levelling another toon?

actually it went even darker and i rerolled to alb and made a heretic, got it to level 24 for thid

 

[kirennia]

Whilst that made me chortle I find myself thinking of a sorcerer simply tapping F8 and holding down lifetap. Even if someone has the reflexes to react the instant they're hit most of the time the following three spells will hit them also whilst they try to back off from the window - ya know, assuming the Sorc is tricked out ToA wise and most will be.

If you're talking about simply f8 nuking, why mention the sorc at all? All casters can do that. The difference is, if a sorc simply nukes you, you can qcast nuke (or in hibs case stun) them back. If a warlock does it, you're dead even if you try to nuke back before a qcast can land.

 

[RS|Phil]

If you're talking about simply f8 nuking, why mention the sorc at all? All casters can do that. The difference is, if a sorc simply nukes you, you can qcast nuke (or in hibs case stun) them back. If a warlock does it, you're dead even if you try to nuke back before a qcast can land.

Because they tend to have the fastest casting speed besides SMs. And you're not likely to find an SM nuking a Warlock or his realm mates.

And can you buggery QC nuke a sorcerer back if he gets you. 99% of the time you'll be dead before you press QC and certainly before a QC will go off -don't forget it's slower. That's same likelihood as a Warlock if he sees you tbh. Even my SM could kill people in Leirvik before they could step back from a window and he wasn't really kitted out - just buffed.

 

[Mas]

A warlock will kill any caster 1 on 1 be it roaming, tower or in keep, so saying that a sorc cant kill 1 solo is not silly, on the same hand neither can my rm kill a charging BM or merc, or a scout from 300000000 units away, even a mincer. There are some classes that excel solo and all realms have those chars. The fact a warlock can drop a sorc in no time, dosent go to say he moves onto next target and does same, he will need to reload etc, but mezz and ltltltltltltlltltlttlttl 4 or 5 chars in sucession is pretty handy ability to have, especially a realm where their buffbots have DI

 

[Kanim]

It's a shame warlocks only get 1x spec points. Totally limits their spec to two real choices, or three if you want the better WC options with reducded damage. I'd happily accept (another) reduction in the hex line DPS if we got even 1.2x spec points per level so we could use the curse line. As it stands we're all around 3 curse.

as it is warlocks seem really shafted, 2.0 spec points and an increase in the lt dmg to pre nerf dmg would do the trick imo

 

[RS|Phil]

as it is warlocks seem really shafted, 2.0 spec points and an increase in the lt dmg to pre nerf dmg would do the trick imo

You jest

I speak for a increase in viability and utilty

 

[Eeben]

Dont you think its unfair a wl can go out in rog armor an wtf pwn ppl who used month in toa to get the perfect template so they have a chance but then they meet a warlock in rog armor an all the time in toa for nothing...Yes you can beat a wl if you use ml's artis ra's but thats just not fair a wl dont have to do that..

 

[RS|Phil]

No its not fair. But then neither is a bolt range mez and a baseline stun. They might have been once upon a time but the game's changed and the classes haven't changed with them.

To be honest, I think the WL is Mythic's way of balancing the realms' casters. We didn't have a particularly OP cloth caster so they gave us one. Instead of fixing the larger issues they chuck in a quick fix for all us Middies that hate Sorcerers and base-stun

 

[Eeben]

No its not fair. But then neither is a bolt range mez and a baseline stun. They might have been once upon a time but the game's changed and the classes haven't changed with them.

To be honest, I think the WL is Mythic's way of balancing the realms' casters. We didn't have a particularly OP cloth caster so they gave us one. Instead of fixing the larger issues they chuck in a quick fix for all us Middies that hate Sorcerers and base-stun

because sms an bds are the worst casters in this game.. bg pet, twf, banelord im glad albs dont have casters like that...

so you are gimpet on the caster side but what about healers an sharmans? know its not casters ..

an a sm using moc an ml9 pet is pretty much the same as sorc using soi+moc ups i forgot that got nerft..

 

[RS|Phil]

You're overcomplicating it.

 

[Eeben]

You're overcomplicating it.

maybe but trying to make a point
you are the one said because you got gimpt casters you should get the warlock to make up for bolt range mezz an baseline stun when you are the realm with most util in a fg.. an remember because alb got boltrange you got instant

 

[RS|Phil]

Yeah..well we're both (or all) getting well off-topic but I thought we were making comparisons of the best casters of each realm =)

There's really only one choice now for each realm if you're gonna solo.

 

[Eeben]

Yeah..well we're both (or all) getting well off-topic but I thought we were making comparisons of the best casters of each realm =)

There's really only one choice now for each realm if you're gonna solo.

still dont think baseline stun or bolt range mezz makes op for warlock.. an hib caster cant go out in rog armor with baseline stun an win like a wl can. Sorc cant go out in rog armor an win like a wl can.. You c where im going?

 

[RS|Phil]

A little - but I was never in disagreement there. A stunning Hib can take out a WL though even if WL were to get first shot in as long at the Hib sees the WL at the same time and gets stun in.

A sorcerer, by virtue of speed, can drop a WL in the old three spells so if (as most people say) Warlocks are all retarded then getting the drop on them and banging three spells in shouldn't be a problem

 

[Eeben]

A little - but I was never in disagreement there. A stunning Hib can take out a WL though even if WL were to get first shot in as long at the Hib sees the WL at the same time and gets stun in.

A sorcerer, by virtue of speed, can drop a WL in the old three spells so if (as most people say) Warlocks are all retarded then getting the drop on them and banging three spells in shouldn't be a problem

but they have to be toat to be abel to do that.. think what pisses the most ppl of is a rog wl can have a chance in rog where all other ppl have to use alot of time in toa.. Also you cant interupt the lifetap they do wich is just stupid.. Guess i could live with the insain frontload damage but when they just can cast with out being interuptet after is just so fuckt..

if the the hib caster c the wl at same time cant the wl just instant kill the caster?

 

[RS|Phil]

but they have to be toat to be abel to do that.. think what pisses the most ppl of is a rog wl can have a chance in rog where all other ppl have to use alot of time in toa.. Also you cant interupt the lifetap they do wich is just stupid.. Guess i could live with the insain frontload damage but when they just can cast with out being interuptet after is just so fuckt..

if the the hib caster c the wl at same time cant the wl just instant kill the caster?

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Because he'll just stun him and unless he has Purge2 up then the Hib is gonna drop him before he can do anything.

Since the nerf I also don't totally agree regarding WLs running around in RoG can wtf pwn everyone. I tried that and besides solo casters I couldn't drop many people. Vamps would have about 40% hp left and most other people would just survive then retaliate. Once you've done dumping you're totally and utterly fucked. There's quite literally nothing you can do once your FL is done and you're OOP. :-(

 

[Bhalage]

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Because he'll just stun him and unless he has Purge2 up then the Hib is gonna drop him before he can do anything.

Since the nerf I also don't totally agree regarding WLs running around in RoG can wtf pwn everyone. I tried that and besides solo casters I couldn't drop many people. Vamps would have about 40% hp left and most other people would just survive then retaliate. Once you've done dumping you're totally and utterly fucked. There's quite literally nothing you can do once your FL is done and you're OOP. :-(

lol get purge3 and some toughness / aug con and woot you became unbeatable oO...

 

[kirennia]

Because they tend to have the fastest casting speed besides SMs. And you're not likely to find an SM nuking a Warlock or his realm mates.

And can you buggery QC nuke a sorcerer back if he gets you. 99% of the time you'll be dead before you press QC and certainly before a QC will go off -don't forget it's slower. That's same likelihood as a Warlock if he sees you tbh. Even my SM could kill people in Leirvik before they could step back from a window and he wasn't really kitted out - just buffed.

Are you joking? That's a serious question btw.

Sorcerers WILL NOT outdamage other caster classes when it comes to sinking a character if their equipment is the same and of same RR etc. The warlock IS THE BEST at sinking a single character down the fastest out of any realm no matter what way you look at it.

If you say that you can't QC a sorcerer who is just nuking you before you die then you're saying you cannot QC a fire wizard, an ice wizard casting from range, any kind of therg, cabalist, bainshee casting from max range, range casting animist, mentalist, enchanter, elderich and from your own realm, a SM a RM or a bonedancer. Sorcs lifetap is not a 350DD, it has the same damage as those listed or LESS. It of course is a lifetap too but that's not the issue because we're talking about classes which can sink others fastest.

Again, stop trying to make the sorc out to be this 3 shot insta killing machine because where I admit they are overpowered in 1 vs 1 combat, they will mostly certainly not sink a character faster then any of those classes listed if they are 'just nuking' as you suggested here:

A sorcerer, by virtue of speed, can drop a WL in the old three spells so if (as most people say) Warlocks are all retarded then getting the drop on them and banging three spells in shouldn't be a problem

as for this:

No its not fair. But then neither is a bolt range mez and a baseline stun. They might have been once upon a time but the game's changed and the classes haven't changed with them.

To be honest, I think the WL is Mythic's way of balancing the realms' casters. We didn't have a particularly OP cloth caster so they gave us one. Instead of fixing the larger issues they chuck in a quick fix for all us Middies that hate Sorcerers and base-stun

Again, someone who can't admit that their realms classes are on par or better then the other realms. SMs and BDs are in no way sub-par casters.

 

[Glottis]

Nice solo classes for Midgard (caster classes):
-Gaylock
-SM
-BD

Nice solo classes for Albion
-Sorc (mezz and speed + lifetap)
-Theurg (can also gimp mezz, and has speed)

Chance of a sorc winning from a Gaylock - 1%
The upfront damage from a gaylock has been enough to kill my cabby each time so far, with 1500hp health and 25% matter resists.
Most Albs do not have a friar to give them 50% matter resists sadly enough.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Gear]

Dont you think its unfair a wl can go out in rog armor an wtf pwn ppl who used month in toa to get the perfect template so they have a chance but then they meet a warlock in rog armor an all the time in toa for nothing...Yes you can beat a wl if you use ml's artis ra's but thats just not fair a wl dont have to do that..

All comes down to that. Every class can outshine with proper equipment MLs RAs and a good player. Warlocks however come ready to kill, all you need is to target a and press the chamber buttons. Class? Skill? Ahum....

 

[Raven]

most classes require the player to spend time getting equipment, gaining MLs, RAs etc to be "skilled" a warlock needs to spend 24 hours in a good pl group and half an hour on the ME to get some rogs to be "skilled" anyone who says they play a warlock because its fun is either a) feeble minded (a retard) or b) bullshitting

 

[Kathal]

most classes require the player to spend time getting equipment, gaining MLs, RAs etc to be "skilled" a warlock needs to spend 24 hours in a good pl group and half an hour on the ME to get some rogs to be "skilled" anyone who says they play a warlock because its fun is either a) feeble minded (a retard) or b) bullshitting

Mids have to stay up late on LONG PvE raids to get MLs, Artifacts etc. Albs and hibs can just spam pets.
Don’t you think 99% of the mids would LOVE to trade the WL for a pet spammer ??

PS. If ALL WLs are retards then consider this a slap from a retard, moron.

 

[Puppet]

Mids have to stay up late on LONG PvE raids to get MLs, Artifacts etc. Albs and hibs can just spam pets.
Don’t you think 99% of the mids would LOVE to trade the WL for a pet spammer ??

Well that dont change anything to the discussion, but seriously now, Im quite sure 80 Mids kill almost as fast as 80 Albs/Hibs on most encounters you see in the ML-trials. A typical raid for Erinys, Jacina, GoV, Tartaros, Atlantis Tablet, Battler, Malice, Shades of Mist, Cloudsong, etc etc (eg the popular arti's) doesnt take (much) longer in Mid then in Alb/Hib. Focuspulling with ML9 Pet is possible in Mid aswell.

 

[Rigga Mortice]

Mids have to stay up late on LONG PvE raids to get MLs, Artifacts etc. Albs and hibs can just spam pets.
Don’t you think 99% of the mids would LOVE to trade the WL for a pet spammer ??

PS. If ALL WLs are retards then consider this a slap from a retard, moron.

Since when should a realm having a tougher time in PvE (which will no longer be a problem as of next patch*) be an excuse for, or even having any bearing on, how a class performs in RvR?

* Call Of A Thousand Storms: Valks and Thanes, expect to be worshipped

 

[Kathal]

Well that dont change anything to the discussion, but seriously now, Im quite sure 80 Mids kill almost as fast as 80 Albs/Hibs on most encounters you see in the ML-trials. A typical raid for Erinys, Jacina, GoV, Tartaros, Atlantis Tablet, Battler, Malice, Shades of Mist, Cloudsong, etc etc (eg the popular arti's) doesnt take (much) longer in Mid then in Alb/Hib. Focuspulling with ML9 Pet is possible in Mid aswell.

Well I have just done Jacina's with 2 FGs in mid and we were close to a wipe the first 2 raids.
In fact before those raids we tried with the guild. We were about 8 ppl playing 10-12 chars and we could not take it.
Then on the last raid a guild m8 that have just have come back from alb said that he had soloed the encounter with 2 or 3 chars (cant remember if he had 2 or 3). This was done after the last patch.
We need about 3FG for Erinys.
It’s the SAME with MLs and many other encounters. You have pet spammers and we need a zerg.

 

[Talivar]

I didnt wanna get involved but yes warlocks feel OP when u play certain classes and die fast to em BUT and this is the major thing....ppl are all hypocrits.If you was all to eb honest then this isnt a u sook cus warlocks OP whine, its a u sook cus my realm hasnt got warlock whine.A lot of the ppl calling warlocks also play there own realms most OP class and when they was classed as most OP class ingame i never saw any of them making an OK im OP so wont play this class post.
Warlocks are op and so are sorcs and vamps and bds and pre nerf zerks and pre nerf savages and and and ect ect
Unless u have never played your own realms OP classes then imo what right do u have to tell other ppl they retards for just doing the same thing as u have?

 

[Ging]

Kathal, Cyrek used to be able to be pulled out of the cave, this could be done by using an ml9 pet then walked miles away and focused down by necro. So yes this use to eb done by 2/3people. This has now been fixed so he will not leave his cave. Last count u needed at least 2fg to do this encounter (or 1fg if high rr adn everyone plays very well)

 

[Kathal]

Kathal, Cyrek used to be able to be pulled out of the cave, this could be done by using an ml9 pet then walked miles away and focused down by necro. So yes this use to eb done by 2/3people. This has now been fixed so he will not leave his cave. Last count u needed at least 2fg to do this encounter

Read my post again. He did it AFTER the last patch/bug fix.

Anyways we need at least 3 good FGs for this:

I will make a erinys charm raid then and will try with another setup

I will set a day when i got a fg and say when u can

I can all evening after 9pm cet

All drop will be lotto, but not the arti when i keep them to we have done it 8 times

cleric: Sulimaya
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pally:
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icewiz:
theurgist:
theurgist:
theurgist:

All other can come for credit if u will

Cya all there

Spot the pet spammers.
This artifact is one of the best out there and you take it down with pet spammers. We do NOT have that choise.