What realm has the best primary mezzer?

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Alb sorc
Hib Bard
Mid Healer

Discuss reasons?

 

[majik]

Bolt range plz

 

[anubis]

bard

 

[Draylor]

Duh. You have to ask?

Sorc: defenceless
Healer: insta heals, insta CC, zephyr

No contest

 

[majik]

What has fz and insta heals got to do with mezzing btw?

 

[Draylor]

What has fz and insta heals got to do with mezzing btw?

Question was about the CLASS - not the best mezz.

 

[majik]

Title: What realm has the best primary mezzer?

 

[Draylor]

Exactly. mezzER - not mezz.

 

[pbaz]

What has fz and insta heals got to do with mezzing btw?

Note the topic:

"What realm has the best primary mezzer?" (my underlining).

The poster is asking which of the 3 primary CC classes is "best" overall. This means taking into account more than just instaCC-versus-boltrange. Hence Draylor raising the instaheal and FZ advantage of the healer. These are facts that Draylor think make the Healer the "best" primary CC'er.

Is that simple enough? :wub:

 

[majik]

Maybe I have a problem reading, tired rox etc
Would say sorc has advantage over initial mez, put together with ae root and their other abilities makes good class. Would still say the bolt range gives a better advantage but have never played a sorc in rvr

 

[majik]

Note the topic:

"What realm has the best primary mezzer?" (my underlining).

The poster is asking which of the 3 primary CC classes is "best" overall. This means taking into account more than just instaCC-versus-boltrange. Hence Draylor raising the instaheal and FZ advantage of the healer. These are facts that Draylor think make the Healer the "best" primary CC'er.

Is that simple enough? :wub:

ty for the explanation..

 

[pbaz]

And I'm sure someone will repost a link to Aussie's extremely nice testing showing that in a head-to-head confrontation, insta CC always beats bolt-range CC (assuming neither CC'er is asleep).

 

[majik]

And I'm sure someone will repost a link to Aussie's extremely nice testing showing that in a head-to-head confrontation, insta CC always beats bolt-range CC (assuming neither CC'er is asleep).

Im not 100% on the post aussie did but afaik the test didn't compensate for if you come from behind etc or we're on elavated terrain, just if both groups were on flat land running at each other holding a button down etc. Correct me if im wrong.

 

[Raven]

is there really any need for another argument about who has the best mez?


everyone knows its mentalists ffs

 

[pbaz]

Im not 100% on the post aussie did but afaik the test didn't compensate for if you come from behind etc or we're on elavated terrain, just if both groups were on flat land running at each other holding a button down etc. Correct me if im wrong.

Your summary sounds right to me - that's why I said head-to-head confrontation. I still think it's a really useful bit of work, though.

Obviously if you get the jump on an enemy group then you are almost certain to win mez regardless of which primary CC'er you have in-group. Aussie's tests were nice because they didn't make any messy assumptions - they just tried to address the "best mez" question on a level playing field.

Original Aussie thread on bolt-versus-insta found here:

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=26486&highlight=instamez+speed

 

[majik]

Your summary sounds right to me - that's why I said head-to-head confrontation. I still think it's a really useful bit of work, though.

Obviously if you get the jump on an enemy group then you are almost certain to win mez regardless of which primary CC'er you have in-group. Aussie's tests were nice because they didn't make any messy assumptions - they just tried to address the "best mez" question on a level playing field.

Aye it is nice to have insta cc for on places which are relatively even e.g. on ridge nr mmg etc as instas usually beat bolt range there. As for instas vs instas just depends whos got the best reflexes suppose;p

Zephyr is a nice help also since we are talking about the chars, and so is phaseshift, which is where hib and alb have a downfall unfortunately for them as theres usually 3-4 fzs in 1 mid grp.

 

[jakob]

I guess I would say Sorc has the best if you are looking at mezz only. For overall utility I'd say Healer.

Not that Sorc or Bard is lacking utility, but to have instas, decent mezzes, and spreads on same char (I probably forgot something) makes Healer the best overall CC/grp char.

 

[Nuked]

sorry slightly off topic but ... hib has ments light eld and bard with mezz remind me what classes in mid and alb have them .. i'm tired and cba to look it up, i'll check it in the morning. night lovers

 

[Tulkos]

Healer the best imo only played one to lvl 49 but just so much utillity and can survive a lot longer than my sorc.

 

[Vasconcelos]

sorry slightly off topic but ... hib has ments light eld and bard with mezz remind me what classes in mid and alb have them .. i'm tired and cba to look it up, i'll check it in the morning. night lovers

Sorc
Minstrel
Air Theurg


All of them have aoemezz.

Oh, smite clerics have pbaoe mezz on 5min timer iirc (tho the highest one is lvl 44 n last 30secs w/o resists )

 

[Ralgedi Smurf]

But a sorc can keel stuff and imo LOTS of healers/bards blew there instant allways, even when a casted mezz would have been 1000X better

All classes is nice in there own way.

but i would pick sorc of the 3 classes, aint saying its the best but imo it seems like there most fun to play.

Instant mezz/stun is lame atleast in Aoe form, should be removed from the game.

 

[Vasconcelos]

But a sorc can keel stuff and imo LOTS of healers/bards blew there instant allways, even when a casted mezz would have been 1000X better

All classes is nice in there own way.

but i would pick sorc of the 3 classes, aint saying its the best but imo it seems like there most fun to play.

Instant mezz/stun is lame atleast in Aoe form, should be removed from the game.

Sorcs has best mezz n good debuffs n the best overall utility in alb (n highest in game), n nukes hard when teaming with a caby but.......


FZ+PhaseShift+spreadheal+instaheals+PerfectRezz+25% more hps+chain+insta stun....

Its not allways a matter of who has the longer range on mezzs, if ne1 from mid/hib have played a cleric here, he will know wot a pain is keeping a sorc alive, they simply die in nanosecs if u dont have ur instas or BoF rdy

 

[angrysquirrel]

as a bard, mid cc worried me more than labs. insta mez spammed with insta stun is a nasty combo that only mids have no other realm has aoe stun and as a form of cc its the best (as you can easily drop a few people during the stun duration).

 

[[GoL]Nervion]

Sorc as mezzer, bard as mezz

 

[Wot-do]

Guess Sorc is the best Mezzer, if you do your job u unstick and take advantage of your 2000~ range, but u also depend alot on the leader, getting jumped etc.

Healer is the best "cc" class with most utility, but that was nothing new
36pac/40 mend - instant singel stun, instant singel mezz, instant ae mezz, yellow castable ae mezz, mr4, castasble singel stun, singel target root, cure mezz, baseline buffs, 75% Instant grp heal, 75% instant singel heal, 100% ress, Spreadheal, Forceful zephyr, chain wearer with 2000+ hp.

 

[Glottis]

Maybe I have a problem reading, tired rox etc
Would say sorc has advantage over initial mez, put together with ae root and their other abilities makes good class. Would still say the bolt range gives a better advantage but have never played a sorc in rvr

If you would have done ANY research at all, you would have found a test by Aussie showing that any Mid or Hib group with speed 3 or higher have an advantage over the bolt mezz of a sorc...
I know you like to think you are just more skilled etc than others, but unless you play an Alb character, it is only due to overpoweredness that you win.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Larc]

.........
I know you like to think you are just more skilled etc than others, but unless you play an Alb character, it is only due to overpoweredness that you win.
Regards, Glottis

Whenever an alb wins it's just skill!!!

 

[Eroa]

Sorc without dubt

 

[Zeratuhl]

tbh afaik healer is the one of the best support/mezzer in the game. but Pac/Mend is tough to play. u realy need to know wth ur doing. its not that easy to heal/rezz/buff rezzed/spam mezz/spam stun at the same time. that ofc if u dont have more then one healer in grp then the situation becomes less difficult.

 

[Sheph]

Bard any day... cuz u have a chance its Walker, Dwyster or Blazie!

Other realms are only powered by too good classes and luck.