What is worse?

[old.Tohtori]

Unfair Marc, this thread is pure toht baiting, because he does not wish to actually argue or debate any point. Instead he would rather, abuse -either subtle or swearing, confuse points, de-rail topics of discussion, and the best one of all -read your mind and tell you what you are thinking and doing.

This thread did make me laugh though,, it was laughter at the futility of tris- trying to get blood from a stone that made me laugh.

That is the laughable aspect, you're right. You actually think i do these things and you don't even consider that i might not do anything.

It's like you've told yourself this over and over and now it's true to you.

I've discussed the topic, kept on it, right on top of it, yet tris- hasn't answered one simple question.

I could ask you what i asked on the other thread, to no avail; show me what i've done. Proove it.

Just as an FYI; have you ever considered that discussions go as they go because you're going into the discussion with that mindset. Maybe i should create a new profile and show you.

 

[nath]

no. its worse because you cannot help being black. its something you're born with not a choice you make (bar from a few people). being a supporter of something is a choice you make.

people can hate on each of the matters equally, but hating the black guy for being black is worse than hating on a guy who made a choice by himself.

I kind of responded to that here

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/off-topic-21/237257-what-worse.html#post3531284

If it were a choice to be black, why would that make it more acceptable. Is being black a negative thing in principle but nullified by the fact that black people have no choice in the matter?

 

[Huntingtons]

Answer the f*cking question.

I didn't claim you did.

he answerd the question by saying:

im more than 100% sure I didnt say that.

so there you go.

@ nath:

i know you responded. i didnt reply to you and in any case cause you said that isnt what i said so nevermind. I never ment to say that being black is negative (nor positive). It sounded like that because i chose a bad way of putting it, sorry for being unclear. But you cannot deny that there is an essential difference in being black and doing facebook quizzes (in the context of discrimination)

to answer your question.
Simply put. No.

 

[old.Tohtori]

he answerd the question by saying:

so there you go.

That's not an answer, he simply denied saying that, which is obvious because i presented the situation.

He can't even deny what i said.

The real funny part is, the only non-topic discussion here is from the "anti-tohtori" mob, as always.

 

[tris-]

Well thats what I said,
what I actually meant to say is no i dont.

wasnt it obvious?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well thats what I said,
what I actually meant to say is no i dont.

wasnt it obvious?

Then you agree that all discrimination is equal, right?

 

[nath]

Trissssssssss! Whhyyyyyy?

 

[Huntingtons]

Are you saying that someone discriminating you becauses of your skin is worse then someone being discriminated for being short?

im more than 100% sure I didnt say that.

i read that as an answer it may be confusing for you though. what do i know.

 

[tris-]

sorry
@nath

 

[old.Tohtori]

Trissssssssss! Whhyyyyyy?

Like i said above; the anti-tohtori crowd is so zealot about it, that they derail discussions with it.

And you don't see a problem with it, that's the tragic part about it.

Because there can never be anything wrong with you

Hell, even Marc said i didn't do anything wrong here and he's my number one hater, should give some clue to people.

 

[nath]

@ nath:

i know you responded. i didnt reply to you and in any case cause you said that isnt what i said so nevermind. I never ment to say that being black is negative (nor positive). It sounded like that because i chose a bad way of putting it, sorry for being unclear. But you cannot deny that there is an essential difference in being black and doing facebook quizzes (in the context of discrimination)

Absolutely there is a MASSIVE difference between being black and doing facebook quizzes, I just don't think the *crucial* difference lies in the fact that one is a choice and one isn't. I think history has a large part to do with it - no one tried to exterminate facebook users or enslave them. I don't think there's much of a problem with institutional facebook hatred. I think hatred based on two arbitrary traits might well be equal if we were a brand new species spawned yesterday with absolutely no history whatsoever.

There's more to it than that too but I'm not sure how to properly enunciate it just yet.


edit: Toht, I have absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you yet you seem intent on trying to drag me back to the argument. Leave it, it's over.

 

[old.Tohtori]

edit: Toht, I have absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you yet you seem intent on trying to drag me back to the argument. Leave it, it's over.

Ofcourse not, 'cause me making a point and making you look at all bad is a good place to cop-out with the usual phrase "you're doing this/that".

Good boy.

In any case; equal level discrimination is equal and racism has no special place in that aspect. If quizzers would've been tormented, it would be the same.

Ergo; all discrimination is equal and equally bad, tris agrees with it and i believe we've reached the very point i said in the beginning.

 

[nath]

Ofcourse not, 'cause me making a point and making you look at all bad is a good place to cop-out with the usual phrase "you're doing this/that".

Good boy.

Here's a question - why bait me if I've said I've no wish to continue a discussion with you?

 

[Huntingtons]

my point is that with a choice comes consequences. Being a Man. U. fan you know that there will be haters who will discriminate against you (think that is a better example when discussing general discrimination). Being black you do not get the option to decide wether or not you want a group of people discriminating against you by making a choice (of being black obviously).

probably a better way to describe my point

 

[Ch3tan]

my point is that with a choice comes consequences. Being a Man. U. fan you know that there will be haters who will discriminate against you (think that is a better example when discussing general discrimination). Being black you do not get the option to decide wether or not you want a group of people discriminating against you by making a choice (of being black obviously).

probably a better way to describe my point

I don't know, Jacko found a way after all.......don't want to be discriminated against for being black?







































Molest children instead.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Here's a question - why bait me if I've said I've no wish to continue a discussion with you?

I'm not, that's the point. YOU came to the thread. YOU started talking bad about me. You started baiting.

But ofcourse you won't admit that and it's all my fault. As always. Hypocritical to the bone.

my point is that with a choice comes consequences. Being a Man. U. fan you know that there will be haters who will discriminate against you (think that is a better example when discussing general discrimination). Being black you do not get the option to decide wether or not you want a group of people discriminating against you by making a choice (of being black obviously).

probably a better way to describe my point

That's a good point, but it still doesn't make it any better then racism.

There's a difference, but there's no justification.

 

[nath]

That does make sense, but as someone who has no interest in football I find it difficult to get an idea of how personally someone could take their choice of football team. I feel like someone slagging me off for supporting man u would be like slagging me off for disliking spinach. I expect not every football fan feels the same way though.

Going back to the gay thing though, if that were a choice it's a lifestyle choice something that appears to be far more intertwined with ones personality and I can see how discrimination on that wouldn't be quite so trivial.

Then again, maybe that's about society's history too.

I'm not, that's the point. YOU came to the thread. YOU started talking bad about me. You started baiting.

But ofcourse you won't admit that and it's all my fault. As always. Hypocritical to the bone.

Fine, I started it in this thread. I'm stopping it, so lets end it there.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fine, I started it in this thread. I'm stopping it, so lets end it there.

Fair enough, let's do so. Atleast someone admits something. Impressed.

 

[nath]

Fair enough, let's do so. Atleast someone admits something. Impressed.

Cute.

 

[tris-]

Ergo; all discrimination is equal and equally bad, tris agrees with it and i believe we've reached the very point i said in the beginning.

I do?
Shit man, youre psychic abilities are stronger than we thought. I dont even remember saying that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I do?
Shit man, youre psychic abilities are stronger than we thought. I dont even remember saying that.

You answered "no i don't".

It's either that or you do think your discrimination is worth more consideration etc.

Which is it?

 

[tris-]

Are you saying that someone discriminating you becauses of your skin is worse then someone being discriminated for being short?

This was the question according to this thread? My answer is 'no', not what ever the hell you just said.

Where is this deal about all discrimination being equal?

I actually agree with huntingons.
If you have a choice to do something and you take it, you should be open to criticism and we should be questioning peoples ideas and beliefs.
If you dont have a choice, it is worse to discriminate against that.

So to summarise before you make something else up and tell me im thinking this or that:
choice ideas and beliefs = be open to criticism
no choice = criticism should not be given.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So you're saying that discrimination against someone who has chosen something, is ok?

This thread is not about criticism.

The whole reason this thread is here is because i told you that all discrimination is equally bad. Now you're saying you agree with it.

 

[tris-]

So you're saying that discrimination against someone who has chosen something, is ok?



The whole reason this thread is here is because i told you that all discrimination is equally bad. Now you're saying you agree with it.

I am?
I glad you told me what im doing
again.

Is there any point in me posting if you will
a) tell me what im thinking
b) tell me what im saying
c) tell me what im doing?
d) read my mind?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I am?
I glad you told me what im doing
again.

I didn't say you're doing that, i asked.

Asking a question is meant to be answered, that is how information changes hands.

It was a clarification question.

Ok? Get it? Good.

FYI; i NEVER told you what you're doing.

Christ almighty underwear....no wonder these things derail when half the time people see demons where there's nothing to see.

 

[kiliarien]

So you're saying that discrimination against someone who has chosen something, is ok?

This thread is not about criticism.

The whole reason this thread is here is because i told you that all discrimination is equally bad. Now you're saying you agree with it.

I'll chip in, though I'm not taking sides. It has been an interesting discussion.

I'm not entirely sure all discrimination is equally as bad.

I take the mickey out of people for being a fan of X football club (I'm a Man U fan, justification for it: I started supported them when they were 17th in the 1st division after quite a few games in the season, hardly glory hunting tbh, I was 3 and liked the colour of their strip when they played a charity match with their reserves in my home town, that simple! Just thought I'd get a defence in lol) but I don't really mean the discrimination it's just a jibe, but nonetheless it is discrimination of some sorts.

I wonder whether we sometimes mildly discriminate as a way to get a reaction and gauge the character of another individual - like meeting a random stranger at a party/in a bar etc. (and using the football analogy) and talking about football, and then it is a medium to discuss other issues.

To compare actual prejudiced views on racism and facebook quizzes seems a bit dodgy. Here's an interesting point (or maybe it's just interesting to me):

What would a new poster think of all the FHOT regulars here in terms of discrimination:

Would Toht be seen in certain eyes due to others liking/disliking comments made?

How much does IRL knowing people who post and take the piss together matter? Obviously some people here know each other IRL and it creates a cadre of posts.

Lines are set between people - some loathe each other, some enjoy each others' posts. How does that affect posting?

I welcome someone doing a psych paper on forum relationships. Dammit, there's enough weird-ass courses at Universities/Colleges out there - it's got to happen soon.

We bring preconceptions, which can be discriminatory, to the keyboard. They very rarely change, especially on forums where people get entrenched in their views. I'm glad to say that on occasion I have sat back, looked at some of the utter toss I have posted and realised the other person has a decent point of view and changed my perspective, even if it only a sliver. And for that I am glad FHOT and others are about.

Then again, it might just be me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ofcourse the level changes, but if we take the football analogy;

It would be equally bad to taunt them about it without mercy then if you taunted someone about their skin color.

All discrimination is the same, its simply discrimination and racism is just another one. That's what i've been saying all along.

 

[Wonk]

I said that he said, that she said, that I said, that my dog said, that he said, that she said that burger king is better than McDonalds.

This thread is getting confusing I don't even know what it's about anymore.

 

[tris-]

i don't even know what it's about anymore.

shorrrrrrrrryyyyyyyoooooooooooukennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

 

[Access Denied]

I stopped reading the replies after it turned into a giant pissing match. Thought I gotta say I'm with Toht on this. Discrimmination is discrimmination, it's doesn't matter what it's about.

Sex.
Age.
Sexual orientation.
Race.
Religion.
Body shape/size.
Or someone doing a fucking Facebook quiz.

As per the topic here someone being abused for doing Facebook quizzes is jus as much a victim as someone being abused for any of the other myriad reasons. It's all a form of bullying and there's no difference btween them. Now can we stop the pissing match?

Kthxbye!