What is worse?

[tris-]

If you have been the subject of racism, you will know how terrible it is.

What is worse : being racially abused or someone saying they dont like you because you do facebook quizes?

Just so we all know, tohtori has belittled racism to such an extent that these are on par in his view. It is obvious however that he has never been racially abused, for example no one has physically assaulted him or bullied him for years for his race.

Maybe it is just me being biased as I have been subject to exactly that, but does anyone else think racism is ever so slightly worse than someone saying they dont like you for doing facebook quizes?

To put it in to context
"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you do facebook quizzes"
"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you have black skin"

i would like to issue you a challenge tohtori, find a black person who has been racially abused and tell him his plight is as bad as soemone who was told they wernt liked for doing facebook quizes. You are saying to me for one thing and if you really think my plight is as bad that, youre a complete fucking idiot.

 

[Sparx]

Bugz had his week to be attacked now its Toh is it?

 

[old.Tohtori]

If done to same extent, it's equally bad.

I never belittled racism and i have been the subject of discrimination for, oh, say 5-7 years of my younger life.

Why do you think i don't like discrimination?

You think i'm saying "a lifetime of prosecution is equal to someone telling you your haircolor is bad", which is not the case.

It's "if someone is discriminated against due to something they are or do, it's equally bad in all aspects when in the same magnitude".

 

[tris-]

How am I attacking anyone?

 

[tris-]

It's "if someone is discriminated against due to something they are or do, it's equally bad in all aspects when in the same magnitude".

"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you do facebook quizzes"
"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you have black skin"

try it on the street and see who punches you first, and then tell me its the same when its the same magnitude.

 

[fettoken]

"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you do facebook quizzes"
"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you have black skin"

try it on the street and see who punches you first, and then tell me its the same when its the same magnitude.

"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you have white skin"

and we compare those to the answers of the black man. then we judge them.

 

[Huntingtons]

eh. 1 is an option, you chose to be the person doing facebook quizzes. the other is something you cannot chose by yourself.

so there is of course a essential difference.

 

[tris-]

Im not sure I understand your point fettoken.

 

[fettoken]

Im not sure I understand your point fettoken.

Ops, i went a bit off topic there. Just ignore it.

Damn this forum and what it has done to me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you do facebook quizzes"
"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you have black skin"

try it on the street and see who punches you first, and then tell me its the same when its the same magnitude.

If it was the first time this person was judged by the color of his skin, yes, it would be equally bad.

He wouldn't also mind it as much as one who has been discriminated against, or has been in direct contant of it.

There's a difference in them, but ti doesn't mean that you get "special treatment" for being black.

If someone hates you for being black, it's bad.
If someone hates you for doing facebook quizzes, it's bad.
If someone hates you on any such basis, it's bad.

YOU feel racism is worse because you've experienced it. It's worse for YOU.

I never said your plight is somehow insignificant.

 

[Thorwyn]

What is worse

Worse in what sense?
Worse from the ethical POV? Worse from the victims POV?

"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you do facebook quizzes"
"hey random stranger, i dont like you because you have black skin"

try it on the street and see who punches you first, and then tell me its the same when its the same magnitude.

I think the outcome of this experiment doesn´t really say anything.
Let´s say you hate football club X and now you see a X supporter and say "hey, random stranger, I don´t like you, because you´re suporting footballclub X". I´d say the probability that you´ll get punched is a lot higher than getting punched by a black guy. But that doesn´t mean that hating footballclub X is worse than racism.

 

[adoNix]

What if i dont like people of white skin, and i'm of white myself?

 

[nath]

eh. 1 is an option, you chose to be the person doing facebook quizzes. the other is something you cannot chose by yourself.

so there is of course a essential difference.

Though that is a difference, and I am totally with tris on this whole discussion, I'm not convinced that if you're in control of something it means it's OK to discriminate. Though I expect that's not what you were saying.

However if, for example, being gay was a choice (which obviously it isn't) I don't think that'd make it acceptable to hate gay people. Again, I don't think that's what you were saying though .

I guess the reason I responded to your post is that I remember in school kids bullying people for certain traits, when compared to racism they would say "nah man dats difrant bcauz you dont chuz to be blak". As if to suggest that if being black was a choice, it'd be OK to be racist.

But that's not what you were saying, so never mind .

 

[tris-]

I never said your plight is somehow insignificant.

Comparing racism to facebook quizzes is downsizing the affect of racism.

I think the outcome of this experiment doesn´t really say anything.

I thought the tongue in cheek nature of being punched was clear there, I am sorry.

I am not even talking hating necessarily, simply saying you dont like someone for x or y.

 

[Lethul]

IT'S ALL THE SAME!:lol:

 

[old.Tohtori]

Comparing racism to facebook quizzes is downsizing the affect of racism.

So you're somehow better? If someone was tormented because of their height, your plight would be worse?

If someone was discriminated against in the same magnitude as racists have been doing, because they do facebook quizzes, it would be equally bad.

 

[tris-]

So you're somehow better?

Im glad youre reverting again to making things up like the last thread.

Yes everyone im much better than you because I was racially abused.

How very fucking absured.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Im glad youre reverting again to making things up like the last thread.

Yes everyone im much better than you because I was racially abused.

How very fucking absured.

Read the post again, get the point, answer again.

It was a question, not a statement.

I'll ask again;

Are you saying that someone discriminating you becauses of your skin is worse then someone being discriminated for being short?

 

[tris-]

im more than 100% sure I didnt say that.

You have reverted back to make up your own discussion again.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Answer the f*cking question.

I didn't claim you did.

 

[Thorwyn]

I am not even talking hating necessarily, simply saying you dont like someone for x or y.

Yes, I get your point!
But I still think that the response of the recipient/victim is circumstancial and not neccessarily reflecting the severity of the incident.

Tell a black guy in the Bronx that you don´t like him because he´s a facebook blogger and you´re in trouble, regardless of what you don´t like.

Reduced and isolated, there´s no difference between "I don´t like black people" and "I don´t like footballclub X" and "I don´t like facebook quizzers". All are aggressive statements.
However, if you take a step back, then racism is of course the bigger problem (as in "worse"), simply because more people are following this path and because it contains a higher level of violence acceptance.

 

[tris-]

Answer the f*cking question.

In that case you can shove it up your arse.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Interesting.

If you're not going to answer it, fine enough. Then i'll simply assume you do think your plight is somehow special compared to equal plight of someone else, simply due to it being a race issue.

Atleast you're not denying it so, must be true.

If someone was harassed in the same extent as you, for doing facebook quizzes, his plight would not mean as much as yours.

Right?

 

[tris-]

Atleast you're not denying it so, must be true.

Great logic.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You can simply deny it.

Easy.

You're the one who attacked me and wanted to start this discussion, now discuss it.

 

[tris-]

Or I can stop discussing it since you began to make up your own discussion suddenly half way through.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Or I can stop discussing it since you began to make up your own discussion suddenly half way through.

Nothing of that sort happened.

I'll ask again, do you think your plight is worse then others?

It's right on the dot of the subject.

 

[tris-]

I think comparing racism to facebook quizes is belittling racism.

I remember reading in the news about how people in south africa were being hunted down for being a different skin colour.

Not sure that happened with facebook quizes but I could of missed that one.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think comparing racism to facebook quizes is belittling racism.

I remember reading in the news about how people in south africa were being hunted down for being a different skin colour.

Not sure that happened with facebook quizes but I could of missed that one.

I never compared facebook quizzes to racism now did i?

You did.

I'll ask again;

Would it be worse that people were hunted down and killed because of their race, or that they were hunted down and killed because of facebook quizzes?

You don't want to answer because, i'm assuming, you think your plight is worse then others, which makes you quite self-obsessed.

 

[tris-]

which makes you quite self-obsessed.

Youre very good at this psychic stuff arnt you, first ch3tan was told what he would do and now youre telling me what I think of my self.

I never compared facebook quizzes to racism now did i?

.

I would get the exact quote where you did but this is too rofl on its own.