Was talking about world hunger yesterday...

[old.Tohtori]

didnt we have a very similar thread with old.Tohtori whining like this a few months ago ?

The word which does not exist in tohtoris vocabulary :

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he just aint hard wired that way, c'est la vie

Could you give the link before jumping on the "tohtori is like this based on stuff i "know"" wagon?

Like many others it seems, you know nothing of me, except some bad points you're willing to bring out, or should i say, make up, when all else fails.

 

[fettoken]

They just need some time, about 1000 years or so. Its like a cancer, they need time to evolve before they just multiply, spread and destroy everything that is helping the slightest. So its like throwing money in a well, wishful thinking, that giving them anything would help.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I never did that though, did I?

Yes! I think by now, the confusion is cleared up. Like I said, your initial post *sounded* like a suggestion to "put them to work" where "work" is an end in itself. Hence my reply.

Fair enough.

I think it´s a mixture of both. It´s impossible to deny our history. On the other hand, it may never be the sole purpose of our actions. I don´t feel guilty at all, since I wasn´t born at that point. But - again - that doesn´t mean I can sit back and take everything for granted.
It´s pretty complicated to express.

Took a while to answer, as i've been more busy trying to defend against all the personal attacks on irrelevant issues.

You didn't, others did, was pointing out, that all.

I understand your point about "have to take responsibility", but at the same time i don't think we should be judged nd coerced into helping because of that. I think we have a bit different views on it, both want to solve these and help, but with different motives.

 

[Dukat]

I think the way to solve alot of Africa's problems is to get companies to move in and start paying honest wages for honest work, much like Levin said.

The best way I can see to accomplish this is to offer companies based here in the West big BIG incentives to do it properly - we need to talk to the leaders over there and offer them things in return for letting us put our companies there.

Cover the coast in desalinisation plants to give people a good, clean source of water. Sell and import that water to countries without coastal access - give the host country a cut of the money raised to encourage others to follow suit.

Use GM crops to ensure good harvests, with the amount of labour available over there you could pay the people in food and water for a start, get them working and get the country working and eventually you'll be in a position to start talking about commerce and services.

You'd have to start slow though - Start off with one country that is behaving itself - go in with diplomats as I said, talk to them about the benefits of what we can offer, ask to be allowed to demonstrate, ask to PAY them to be allowed to demonstrate, offer to forget about thier debt if they go along with it, etc etc.

Once you're allowed in, place a couple of desalination plants, show them what it can do, offer to build more. Offer the general population work by getting them to help transport the water to where it needs to go. Use the water first to help with draught problems first, then use it for irrigation. Get in western farming companies and offer heavily supervised farming jobs to the general population.

Once done, send diplomats to neighbouring countries, offer to sell them the water you're producing, talk to the host country, give them a cut for each sale of water. show the neighbouring countries what you've done for this country, tell them you can do it for them, all you have to do is stop killing eachother, etc etc etc. and then expand like that. Once one country is established and nearly self-sufficient, move on to the next one.

I'm not saying its fool proof, but I'd say its a starting point, better than just throwing aid-money at the problem and hoping it will go away.

 

[Levin]

I think the way to solve alot of Africa's problems is to get companies to move in and start paying honest wages for honest work, much like Levin said.

The best way I can see to accomplish this is to offer companies based here in the West big BIG incentives to do it properly - we need to talk to the leaders over there and offer them things in return for letting us put our companies there.

Cover the coast in desalinisation plants to give people a good, clean source of water. Sell and import that water to countries without coastal access - give the host country a cut of the money raised to encourage others to follow suit.

Use GM crops to ensure good harvests, with the amount of labour available over there you could pay the people in food and water for a start, get them working and get the country working and eventually you'll be in a position to start talking about commerce and services.

You'd have to start slow though - Start off with one country that is behaving itself - go in with diplomats as I said, talk to them about the benefits of what we can offer, ask to be allowed to demonstrate, ask to PAY them to be allowed to demonstrate, offer to forget about thier debt if they go along with it, etc etc.

Once you're allowed in, place a couple of desalination plants, show them what it can do, offer to build more. Offer the general population work by getting them to help transport the water to where it needs to go. Use the water first to help with draught problems first, then use it for irrigation. Get in western farming companies and offer heavily supervised farming jobs to the general population.

Once done, send diplomats to neighbouring countries, offer to sell them the water you're producing, talk to the host country, give them a cut for each sale of water. show the neighbouring countries what you've done for this country, tell them you can do it for them, all you have to do is stop killing eachother, etc etc etc. and then expand like that. Once one country is established and nearly self-sufficient, move on to the next one.

I'm not saying its fool proof, but I'd say its a starting point, better than just throwing aid-money at the problem and hoping it will go away.

Must spread rep...

 

[Thorwyn]

I think the way to solve alot of Africa's problems is to get companies to move in and start paying honest wages for honest work, much like Levin said.

Correct.
No please explain the people over here, why they´re supposed to pay twice the regular price for coffee.

 

[Zede]

Could you give the link before jumping on the "tohtori is like this based on stuff i "know"" wagon?

Like many others it seems, you know nothing of me, except some bad points you're willing to bring out, or should i say, make up, when all else fails.

whaa was not prepared for that one.

your paranoia has reached new levels !

Ive been a regular user on this site since 2004, I check FH DAILY. Like many others on FH, we know who you are m8zor - really no need to act all high and mighty, we all know that old' has a soft playful side( did that give you the ego boost needed ?)

You KNOW the thread I mean, so stop being an arse. "make up" stuff - your fuckin dilusional, class pure class !

 

[old.Tohtori]

whaa was not prepared for that one.

your paranoia has reached new levels !

Ive been a regular user on this site since 2004, I check FH DAILY. Like many others on FH, we know who you are m8zor - really no need to act all high and mighty, we all know that old' has a soft playful side( did that give you the ego boost needed ?)

You KNOW the thread I mean, so stop being an arse. "make up" stuff - your fuckin dilusional, class pure class !

So, instead of actually doing something to show me how i'm wrong, you just make some ridiculous and childish "waah" comments, or that i'm high and mighty(when i simply tell you that you don't seem to know me), when i'm NOT the one pulling out personal stuff on others. If you knew who i am, or cared to take time to know me, you'd know how wrong that post in itself is.

If i knew the thread you're talking about, i wouldn't bloody well be asking about it.

I don't need an ego boost, and i don't post my personal things for sympathy either.

 

[tierk]

Tierk, try .....

Sorry but i just find it funny that you cant seem to see the irony in what you are saying. On the one hand you claim that you couldnt find work at all in a country that has a abundence of jobs - regardless of if this is ture or not. On the other hand you expect there to be a abundance of jobs for people in Africa?

At the same time you are saying that we should try and make people work for aid etc See what i am getting at yet? How would you have felt when you couldnt find a job that the head of the job agency needs his car to be washed and that all aid would be cut to you if you refused to wash his car three times a day?

See where i think you are being a hypocrite?

With regards to me being unemployed yes i was unemployed for over 5 years, due to my fathers poor health and then after that my motherand guess what in the mean time i was working on and off when i could find jobs. Funny that isnt it?

Just for your info i have worked at BK MacD's and lots of other shitty jobs when i was studying, i have had my hand buried up to the elbow in shit for a pittance but hey that is what the job called for so i did it and i took home my shitty wage packet.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Sorry but i just fin*snip*age packet.

Ok, if you want to go this way.

Get these in your head:

I wasn't saying there's an abundance of jobs in africa.
I wasn't saying "stop aid".
If i had been offered to wash the car three times a day, i would've done it.
It's not "regardless", there were no jobs i could get. It's a fact.

See why you THINK i'm a hypocrite?

So you found jobs, good, well done, i didn't. Is it so hard to understand? Go ask an unemployment agency if people find jobs, even if they look and learn a bit that not all can find them/get them.


Just for YOUR info, i've done sh*t jobs too, and have tried for other sh*t jobs, but this is ofcourse irrelevant to you?

 

[Zede]

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/off-topic21/225912-mud-pie.html

same shit from old'

happy now ?

could have just cut'n paste from that thread, you sure your not an automaton with just a few programmed responses ?

try harder.

 

[old.Tohtori]

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/off-topic21/225912-mud-pie.html

same shit from old'

happy now ?

could have just cut'n paste from that thread, you sure your not an automaton with just a few programmed responses ?

try harder.

Try harder? To what?

Thanks for answering, but as that thread shows, we agreed with tierk there, don't here. Different topic, even if similar. And i said on that thread that my initial response was in the wrong, and corrected it later. That's discussing. If i recollect, i haven't nailed anyone to the wall(as you do), without the chance to explain.

What's your point? What automaton? Because you're doing the same thing here as you did there; not contributing to discussion, just attacking me.

So...pot kettle hello moto.

EDIT:

Oh and am i the only one who notices that things go off-topic in these discussions when someone pulls out "tohtori like this" ro some other personal thing? How many times have i done that, and why isn't that frowned upon or a "thing you do"?

 

[Zede]

Try harder? To what?

Thanks for answering, but as that thread shows, we agreed with tierk there, don't here. Different topic, even if similar. And i said on that thread that my initial response was in the wrong, and corrected it later. That's discussing. If i recollect, i haven't nailed anyone to the wall(as you do), without the chance to explain.

What's your point? What automaton? Because you're doing the same thing here as you did there; not contributing to discussion, just attacking me.

So...pot kettle hello moto.

EDIT:

Oh and am i the only one who notices that things go off-topic in these discussions when someone pulls out "tohtori like this" ro some other personal thing? How many times have i done that, and why isn't that frowned upon or a "thing you do"?

I contribute "cronic style" when its needed, but you know this already being a regular freddie. This thread already has numerous advocates doing the job i would do, dont see the point in typing chaper & verse - or do you actually want another protagonist so you can "attempt" to pick apart every-god-damn-word-they-say-and-spit-it-back-in-their-faces-without-actually answering-the-queston ? type stuff.

Im sorry if i caused any offence, chipping away at the Tohtori ego is a heinous crime, i knows. Put yourself on pedastal, prepared to be shot off it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I contribute "cronic style" when its needed, but you know this already being a regular freddie. This thread already has numerous advocates doing the job i would do, dont see the point in typing chaper & verse - or do you actually want another protagonist so you can "attempt" to pick apart every-god-damn-word-they-say-and-spit-it-back-in-their-faces-without-actually answering-the-queston ? type stuff.

Im sorry if i caused any offence, chipping away at the Tohtori ego is a heinous crime, i knows.

My irony meter just exploded just about there.

Can't comment on "cronic style" as i have no idea what it is.

I don't know you, i don't actually see much about what you've written, except as "coming to threads and point at tohtori and not say anything on-topic". Hopefully your ego can withstand that.

Again, i don't have an ego anywhere else except in your mind. Nor do you offend me, just curious on if you're on the bandwagon or do you have actual reason to think so.

Now, how about you re-read my post and answer? Or are you gonna do the same thing as you did on the other thread, leave when you can't answer or insult?

I made a thread, wanted discussion, explained my views (to those willing to listen) as my initial post was unclear. I wasn't the one who got personal, brought personal stuff here or even insulted people. But, i guess that's too hard to notice.

 

[Aoami]

omg such a ku klux klan thread

 

[old.Tohtori]

Anyhoo, i've explained my views on this matter and from now on, i'll try more to avoid getting into personal discussions and just ignore those kinds of comments.

I'll iterate my points:

I think there should be work for Africans.(ways to do this pending and Dukat gave good examples)
I don't think aid is bad.
I do care, read up to my and Thorwyns discussion on how i don't want to care though.
I actually do help people, no need to go into detail.
I'd like to help people, and some day might, when i get my own affairs into order.

Hopefully noone has anything against this and if you want to discuss who i am or my life in general, make a thread or contact me.

 

[tierk]

Just to give you an idea of the stuff you posted intially and then try and worm your way out of it by saying no no its not what i meant when in fact you made yourself pretty clear.

My solution to world hunger etc: Put them to work.........

Seems clear enough to me.

As to this comment.....

.......I wasn't saying there's an abundance of jobs in africa........

No what you actually said was ........

...We came to the conclusion that instead of sending food etc, we should put the people to work and give pay/food for the work done......You know, modern "slavery" if you will.....

Again pretty clear to me.

...I wasn't saying "stop aid"...

No what you did say was......

...One otpion would be a direct "semi-slavery", as in, you give them food and shelter, they work your menial tasks. What exactly would be wrong with it ........

Clear as day what you are saying and there is no problem with words used.

...Eveyrone else on this world works for their food/upkeep, so why not them?...

LOL sorry once again Master Hippo!!! Everyone else works for there upkeep /food errrr cough cough not quite everyone, at least not all the time

...Go ask an unemployment agency if people find jobs, even if they look and learn a bit that not all can find them/get them.?...

Funny thing is i never ever found a job through any agencies but through physically walking a specific area on a specific day, shop by shop with CV in hand dressed ready for interview asking the same question again and again.... Do u Got a Job or give us a job.

The whole reason i came down on you like a ton of bricks is because i know that you have struggled in the past to find work and have had a hard time and then after experiencing all this you still continue to spout off crapolla, as Zede showed, across a number of threads.

You where the last person i would expect to post a thread like this and your solutions quite frankly SUCK EGGS.

 

[old.Tohtori]

1: Just to give you an idea of the stuff you posted intially and then try and worm your way out of it by saying no no its not what i meant when in fact you made yourself pretty clear.

2: Funny thing is i never ever found a job through any agencies but through physically walking a specific area on a specific day, shop by shop with CV in hand dressed ready for interview asking the same question again and again.... Do u Got a Job or give us a job.

3: The whole reason i came down on you like a ton of bricks is because i know that you have struggled in the past to find work and have had a hard time and then after experiencing all this you still continue to spout off crapolla, as Zede showed, across a number of threads.

4: You where the last person i would expect to post a thread like this and your solutions quite frankly SUCK EGGS.

As i said, i explained it later. I should've explained the points in the original post more in detail. You can't always come as clear as you want, and there's no "worming out" here, i'm just clearing up if people point out something. If you want to discuss the matter, please read what i've said completely and gather the info.

It sounded clear because it was so, simple points. As said, next time i'll know to explain in more detail fro the start.

2: I did that too, but in Finland, it's mandatory to go to the national unemployment agency too, if you even want to get any support while you search. Hope you can understand though, that you can't always find a job.

3: The reason is this, i don't find it relevant to this case/thread. Or the other one. If we were talking about unemployment, not finding a job in western culture, sure, i could use my experience. This was a solution i thought i'd discuss.

4: That's a fair answer, even if a bit rude. And i wish you had stayed on that, instead of pull my past into it. If you think my solution, is bad, then do say so and then a discussion on the matter can ensue. But don't bring my unemployment, history, and such, into a discussion where it matters only because i mentioned jobs.

Ok?

 

[tierk]

4:..... And i wish you had stayed on that, instead of pull my past into it........

Was just trying to show you how hypocritcal you sound in this thread.

......Ok?

All is well, this is a forum for discussion and you have to be prepared to accept critisicm,no matter how harsh,espicially if you are going to make posts like you have on this thread.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Was just trying to show you how hypocritcal you sound in this thread.

All is well, this is a forum for discussion and you have to be prepared to accept critisicm,no matter how harsh,espicially if you are going to make posts like you have on this thread.

If i said "why can't they just find a job", that would've been hypocritical. I don't think i, concerning your reply, was. Though i can see how you would think that, especially since the first post wasn't as clear.

I don't mid critisicm, not at all, i actually want it, but in some relevance. As i said, it wasn't relevant to this matter really and seemed, to be honest, like a low blow. But if someone continues, after i've explained what i meant, to bash, that's not cool either. Not to mention Zedes replies, which were just out there. Or the racist claims.

Or are you saying that you've never had to explain anything in more detail, when someone takes something the wrong way, compared to what you meant?

I think you'll understand more if you read as i meant "Eveyrone else on this world works for their food/upkeep, so why not them?".

It was't meant as "Why aren't they working", but as, "Why wouldn't they" or...hell..hard to explain..."Why not get them work".

I see how that line would cause a stir, as it can be read in a bad way too.

EDIT: Have to say though, i rather dislike that when someone else answers only one part of my post it's "ok", but if i do the same, it's "twisting words" or some such.

 

[fettoken]

I dont think anyone made any racist comments. Some just think that they brought it up on themselves and just couldn´t care less.

 

[Platin]

At Freddyshouse you can always find the answers to everything, even world-hunger!

 

[Marc]

FFS Who cares about world hunger when they are millions of people in Africa starving to death?

 

[Calaen]

BASICALLY WE NEED TO OFFER HOUSE CLEANER JOBS TO AFRICA!!!!

Fuck caps lock I aint typing it again.


Toh come be my slave, ill pay you one big mac per blow job!!!!! (my wife considers this a menial task!!!!!!!!)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Toh come be my slave, ill pay you one big mac per blow job!!!!! (my wife considers this a menial task!!!!!!!!)

I actually wouldn't mind being a "slave", if it paid for roof and food, if i needed it. Honest to f*cking gods truth.

 

[Zede]

As i said, i explained it later. I should've explained the points in the original post more in detail. You can't always come as clear as you want, and there's no "worming out" here, i'm just clearing up if people point out something. If you want to discuss the matter, please read what i've said completely and gather the info.

It sounded clear because it was so, simple points. As said, next time i'll know to explain in more detail fro the start.

2: I did that too, but in Finland, it's mandatory to go to the national unemployment agency too, if you even want to get any support while you search. Hope you can understand though, that you can't always find a job.

3: The reason is this, i don't find it relevant to this case/thread. Or the other one. If we were talking about unemployment, not finding a job in western culture, sure, i could use my experience. This was a solution i thought i'd discuss.

4: That's a fair answer, even if a bit rude. And i wish you had stayed on that, instead of pull my past into it. If you think my solution, is bad, then do say so and then a discussion on the matter can ensue. But don't bring my unemployment, history, and such, into a discussion where it matters only because i mentioned jobs.

Ok?

ownedbytierk.com

before the testosterone or booze gets its hold on your brain again, THINK before you type, might save you a lot of backtracking. stick to the proper story telling, your not so good at non-fiction.

 

[old.Tohtori]

ownedbytierk.com

before the testosterone or booze gets its hold on your brain again, THINK before you type, might save you a lot of backtracking. stick to the proper story telling, your not so good at non-fiction.

Well first, could you try to be non-insulting, as i think i've been towards you.(not counting direct counter-attacks) Because you're really pushing it by nearly calling me an alcoholic.

It's not too much to ask for a little respect in that aspect. As well as not bringing personal life into it.

About your reply, i tried that, and then i got told that my posts are too confusing and rambling. So i shortened them. And now it's not ok either.

Seems there's always someone going "no your way is bad".

 

[Zede]

Well first, could you try to be non-insulting, as i think i've been towards you.(not counting direct counter-attacks) Because you're really pushing it by nearly calling me an alcoholic.

It's not too much to ask for a little respect in that aspect. As well as not bringing personal life into it.

About your reply, i tried that, and then i got told that my posts are too confusing and rambling. So i shortened them. And now it's not ok either.

Seems there's always someone going "no your way is bad".

I dont care if I insult right wing fuckwits, no matter how "funneh" they maybe in other parts of OT. Live with it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I dont care if I insult right wing fuckwits, no matter how "funneh" they maybe in other parts of OT. Live with it.

Well, if you're not even going to have the decency to show some form of fair respect, or even listen to anything said, guess i can just ignore every post you make.

Good to know.

 

[Vasconcelos]

I actually wouldn't mind being a "slave", if it paid for roof and food, if i needed it. Honest to f*cking gods truth.

I raise to "access to a comp+broadband"