Was talking about world hunger yesterday...

[old.Tohtori]

What about when you were unemployed and you were complaining about your government not giving you enough money to let you do stuff?

Even if tht was at all towards this discussion, i worked for that money. I paid the taxes, if at all, i've given more then i've gotten. Yes, all national health etc counted. Not valid argument, as said earlier, nothing to do with this.

Ill be suprised if you were not the one reporting it!

I did, so what? Are you saying it's ok? It's not. And mods don't catch everything.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Just for Thorwyn as promised:

Again: what would we gain if they would work, besides the "moral satisfaction" that they have to work just as we have to work? Exactly Zilch! It doesn´t change a goddamn thing for us. And if you´re advertising the modern slavery (as you called it in your initial post), then you have to live with peope questioning your ethics. Work needs to have an effect, otherwise it´s not work, it´s occupational therapy.
And spread what? The work? We don´t even have enough work to occupy the people over here, let alone an entire continent full of (as you correctly say) undereducated people. Hell... dude, you can´t be THAT naive: there IS not enough work unless you consider copying telephonebooks by hand as "work".

I'm not saying it's a "perfect" plan, just a different approach. I didn't say "donating is bad", if it was implied, didn't mean to. Just think that we shoud use that human labour, to do something(we have plenty to do around the world, something, anything) and then pay for them. Ofcourse it would need people to pay etc.

Ofcourse the word slavery wasn't meant as such, hensh the modern part, and i do realise it would cause some "instant" negativity. Could've worded it better i guess.

No, I just responded to your opinion by questioning your stance, nothing more.

Just seemed rather aggressive, so answered in kind. No hard feelings, a bit heat of the moment.

Did I start a thread about the pros and cons of giving food, or you? Did you see me bragging about my social engagements? Do you know me or what I give or do or don´t give?
I just don´t want to let people die. I don´t feel mighty or righteous when I give. It doesn´t hurt me and it helps another human being. Is that wrong? Do I need to justify myself for having sympathy for people who´re living in horrible, hopeless circumstances, caused (not only, but to a good extend) by my ancestors? I don´t want to change with them, no. I´m - like I said in my first post - happy to live in this part of the world. If I would believe in a God (which I don´t), I would thank him for this privilege.

As i said, it wasn't meant to be implied i did. Ofcourse giving food is alright too, and those who wish to help, should. But at the same time, i don't want to be "forced" to help, saying i don't care, or saying "it was our fault".

The things i said about "feeling mighty" etc, were in kind to your answer to mine, a bit overdoing an answer, if you know what i mean. It's so hard not to answer tick for tack. Weren't meant as "you do", were meant as "how does it feel to hear".

If you´re not working here, there´s the dole which will supply you with more than "those" (more on that "those" later) african people will ever see in their entire fooking life! I never said that unemployed people over here are freeloaders. I`m well aware of the situation on the market and how hard it is to find a job these days. But you CAN NOT deny, that even the minimum of allowance over here is enough to survive. Can´t say the same about Africa though.

Yes it is, we are given alot more. Didn't even question that i think. And no, not the same with africa, not with this system. Needs a change. Hensh i thought, why not "use" these people for some work and then maybe pay the whole nation at the same time. ou know, for the sick and such. Rather like, employ a whole nation.

Now for the "those" or "they". It appears that you and other people in this thread are talking about "them" as if entire Africa is just a bunch of happy, joint-smoking Reggae freaks, who are just too lazy to work. Africa is a continent with 50+ nations. And all the food donations are usually going to the poorest of those nations. Those people aren´t even capable of working, even if they could.

Appears wrong. Never meant to imply it, never did i believe. And i kow there are those who can't work, but if one could, that other could carry other two. It would help, even if a little.

Badly worded in my first post. What I meant to say was: Don´t come up with "how things should work" if you´re not interested in why things are as they are and when you´re denying any connection to the historical reasons.

I'm not denying history, i'm saying I'm not at fault. I can however offer solutions. Not caring, is not a reason not to listen, for those who don't care.

 

[Gorbachioo]

do you care?
if so what do you do thats actually making a difference?

why isnt it an excuse anyway? if i dont care about something i sure as fuck dont make efforts for it.

i dont care that my class mates are idiots and will do rubbish in their work. but should i do something to help them?
no of course not, because firstly i dont care and secondly it has no effect on me.

I vote the right way.

Our ignorance kills millions of people so we dont have the right to be ignorant about it.


For Tohtori: You're comments in this thread have been borderline racist and unbeliavably stupid. The dumbass ni**er thing was meant as sarcasm to you. But like i said. I think you should go claim your nobel peace prize for this revolutionary aproach to poverty!

 

[old.Tohtori]

For Tohtori: You're comments in this thread have been borderline racist and unbeliavably stupid.

Example please?

Only word i used that could even come close, was slavery, and it was used in such a context that it's very VERY clear it's not racist.

I don't want to be called a racist, as i'm anything but, in any way, so it's QUITE an insult. Only one throwing racial insults is you, even if you try to now claim it as sarcasm towards something i didn't do.

Not to mention, you just pointed out you missed the complete point. I'm not talking about poverty.

 

[Thorwyn]

Just seemed rather aggressive, so answered in kind. No hard feelings, a bit heat of the moment.

Yes, my reply was aggressive. But I still think the aggressiveness is justified, simply because your approach was WAY off the mark in my books. No worries, I can stand the heat, so feel free to fire back ad lib.

As i said, it wasn't meant to be implied i did. Ofcourse giving food is alright too, and those who wish to help, should. But at the same time, i don't want to be "forced" to help, saying i don't care, or saying "it was our fault".

But that´s completely different to what you said in the first place. Your kick off to this thread was (compressed version): "They are receiving food for free, which is not correct. Let them work for their food like we have to."
Like I said, if you don´t care, that´s allright. Nobody forces you to do anything. Heck, If you would have said: "I don´t donate, let those muppets work if they want to live", that would have been ok. But the way you posted it, your statement sounded like social envy which is kinda harsh considering the fact that we´re talking about people who are starving.

Yes it is, we are given alot more. Didn't even question that i think. And no, not the same with africa, not with this system. Needs a change. Hensh i thought, why not "use" these people for some work and then maybe pay the whole nation at the same time. ou know, for the sick and such. Rather like, employ a whole nation.

But... if you don´t question that people over here are getting a lot more from doing nothing, then how can you expect people over there to work for .. well.. their life?
I somehow get your point but the concept is still very odd. That´s exactly the point where we seem to differ. Using "them" is just wrong, because first off, we have "used them" a lot in the past already (the ethical blooper), and furthermore, I can´t think of anything they could do for us (the economical blooper).

I'm not denying history, i'm saying I'm not at fault. I can however offer solutions. Not caring, is not a reason not to listen, for those who don't care.

Nobody posting here is "at fault" in this case. But that doesn´t mean we can lean back and look at the situation from an entiretly innocent and isolated point of view. Nobody is blaming you, but you are taking advantage of the situation, just like we all do, so it´s reasonable to expect your awareness.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, my reply was aggressive. But I still think the aggressiveness is justified, simply because your approach was WAY off the mark in my books. No worries, I can stand the heat, so feel free to fire back ad lib.

But that´s completely different to what you said in the first place. Your kick off to this thread was (compressed version): "They are receiving food for free, which is not correct. Let them work for their food like we have to."
Like I said, if you don´t care, that´s allright. Nobody forces you to do anything. Heck, If you would have said: "I don´t donate, let those muppets work if they want to live", that would have been ok. But the way you posted it, your statement sounded like social envy which is kinda harsh considering the fact that we´re talking about people who are starving.

But... if you don´t question that people over here are getting a lot more from doing nothing, then how can you expect people over there to work for .. well.. their life?
I somehow get your point but the concept is still very odd. That´s exactly the point where we seem to differ. Using "them" is just wrong, because first off, we have "used them" a lot in the past already (the ethical blooper), and furthermore, I can´t think of anything they could do for us (the economical blooper).

Nobody posting here is "at fault" in this case. But that doesn´t mean we can lean back and look at the situation from an entiretly innocent and isolated point of view. Nobody is blaming you, but you are taking advantage of the situation, just like we all do, so it´s reasonable to expect your awareness.

Ah now i see why people took it so aggressively, and yes, my wording might have seemed like i meant it in such a way (f*ck off you who say "now he's changing his view!", i'm not). The part "everyone else works, why shoulnd't they" should be basically taken out, as it was a random point, not well enough thought out and written through.

That compressed version is off a bit, it should be, "Why won't we put them to work and pay them for it", without removing help and aid.

The part -""I don´t donate, let those muppets work if they want to live", that would have been ok.-" i don't understand though, 'cause that'd be just rude and not at all constructive. And i DO care, and i DO want to change the situation, but i don't want to be made out as a bad person i don't agree on the current ways of doing so.

About the term "using", it's in "" just because there's a lack of word for what i mean.

I'd like to know though, how am i(or we), taking advantage of the situation? And isn't this awareness? Right here? Throwing out ideas, starting discussion about it?

 

[tris-]

the only view thats right is the compassionate one. (not in my opinion, most peoples opinion)

any that expresses than the "helpless" should help them selves is always going to be wrong. (not in my opinion, most peoples opinion)

 

[chipper]

i dont giv a shit like ppl been sayin doesnt affect me on the flip side tho doesnt mean cant have an opinion

personally my own mantra when it comes to aid is solve the problems in your own backyard before trying to save the rest of the world

got enough problems in england without all this aid bollox been thrust down ma neck every bleedin day so ill try to save england first then mebbe move onto africa

 

[Bugz]

Seel wasn't being racist intentionally - he just explains things in the most awkward and frustrating ways - it doesn't take a knob with 13 gcses (Yes - I was a cock back then ;d) to work that out.

 

[Laddey]

(Yes - I was a cock back then ;d)

You WAS a cock?


j/k <3 xxx

 

[old.Tohtori]

Seel wasn't being racist intentionally - he just explains things in the most awkward and frustrating ways -

Thank you and yes, words fail me most the time. I can't find a word to suit what i mean, and when i use a word, it's usually a "wrong" one. The whole taboo with certain words, whole new topic.

And if i explain things in more detail, well, we've seen what that does.

 

[Calaen]

yay lets go back to the old days when slavery was okay!!!! It was never ok and bringing it back would be the dumbest thing ever.

You dont have to care, you dont have to send anything, you dont even have to give a fuck, but if you dont (which is totally your own choice) dont try and come up with ideas to make yourself feel good about not doing anything.

 

[tris-]

tbh the people who claim to care and shit on the people who dont care, while not doing anything to help are even worse!

 

[Bugz]

yay lets go back to the old days when slavery was okay!!!! It was never ok and bringing it back would be the dumbest thing ever.

You dont have to care, you dont have to send anything, you dont even have to give a fuck, but if you dont (which is totally your own choice) dont try and come up with ideas to make yourself feel good about not doing anything.

From reading Seel's first post, I got the impression that when he said slavery he meant payed employment instead.

Slavery was the wrong word as they get paid and rewarded for the work they do - hence employment. Yet, it wouldn't be compulsory (afterall - if they want to go solo it doesn't hurt us) so it isn't a form of forced work.

The only problem with that idea is - what work would we get them to do that they don't do already for poor wages? The answer is - very little. Only by investing into them could we open up what they can do for us.

 

[Helme]

Problem with companies paying more is that the western population would riot when their bananas got a 10% price increase


And regarding solving malaria, it was almost solved 50 years ago, but they pulled the pesticide because it was hurting BIRDLIFE. There's 2 million people dieing each year in Africa from malaria, and during the period they used this pesticide the death count went down to around 10 cases per year - yet they still decided to stop it because it was hurting birdlife - way to go animal support groups.

The ironic part about the pesticide was that almost every other bird was actually increasing in population during this time - and the ones declining was infact, declining before they put in the pesticide.

 

[Thorwyn]

The part -""I don´t donate, let those muppets work if they want to live", that would have been ok.-" i don't understand though, 'cause that'd be just rude and not at all constructive.

That´s pretty simple. If someone said: "Life is all about survival of the fittest, so I don´t give them anything and just let nature run its course", I´d say that´s ok. I don´t share this POV, I still think it´s highly unethical, but it´s a personal opinion (and millions of people are basically living by this idea, whether they say /admit it or just do nothing. I can accept that, because they don´t expect other people to follow their idea (which is the key difference to the impression you created in your first post).

I'd like to know though, how am i(or we), taking advantage of the situation? And isn't this awareness? Right here? Throwing out ideas, starting discussion about it?

You´re taking advantage of the situation simply by living in this part of the world. You were born in a highly developed, cultured, out-of-the-box Europe with all the benefits. A large percentage of our wealth directly depends on our history and our connection to those countries. It´s not your fault of course, but you´re not complaining either.
When you buy coffee in a normal store, you´re paying money to a company. And just a tiny fragment of this money goes to the people who are working on the actual product. You accept that, I accept that. nothing wrong with that. But it´s still an exploit and that´s why I call it "taking advantage". You can´t keep up the proclaimed state of "wasn´t me" innocence.

Yes, now that we´re discussing, you seem to be aware of the problems. However, your first post didn´t sound like you was.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That´s prett*snip*und like you was.

The problem with the initial post was, that it's only a fragment of my mind. Not the whole view, and as such, open for misunderstandings. Then the discussion comes. If you take a look at my initial post, you can't really say it's fair to call me a "racist, not accepting donations, ignorant" etc. I may have worded it bad, as i've said, that was my bad in initial post, but i'm not the only one who's "jumped the gun" a bit, without trying to actually discuss instead of shouting out insults from the hip. Not to mention, i'm not the only one who thinks this would be a valid option with refinement.

About your reply, i'm not, ofcourse, expecting people to line up and follow me, maybe it wasn't clear. Just my view on it all. And if i post, ofcourse i care. I'm trying to find out a solution, just like the next guy.

Saying that THAT i taking advantage, well, it's a bit harsh. Even if you include everyone in it. I have to disagree with you on that, and i doubt it'll change either way. But that might come from location more then anything, as i don't think Finland exploited that much from Africa(we had slaves though, i think).

I can't agree, on the "sins of the father" mentality, it just doesn't fit. Especially since we should be trying to help because we want, not because someone says "it was our fault, we have a DUTY to help".

 

[Eeben]

why dont they just get a credit card!

 

[tierk]

....Why i care, well, why do you? .....

Good answer. Answer a question with another question and therefore avoid answering. I would hazard a guess and state that you probably never done anything charitable in your life.

....Are you feeling righteous for giving food? Feeling mighty for giving crumbs? .....

I feel neither righteous nor mighty, i feel obliged to help and this was instilled in me from a very young age by parents that stressed the importance of helping people, extending a helping hand to the needy, even if the help is tiny.

....Why don't you change with them, since you're o eager to help. Yeah, thought so, not at all the point.....

Yea ok i will take a leaf out of your book and get them to come do my gardening for me or better still wash my car and then i will give them a bag of rice and meat shall i?

....Conviniently missing the point that, if someone isn't working here, he's suddenly a freeloader, but when they are not working there, they need help. Right?.....

The reason for that is because over here - as you call it - there are jobs a plenty but you are a snob or a lazy git that doesnt want to work at certian jobs because you think you are better then that. I have never known a McDonalds that doesnt have vacancies. So sorry yes you are free loading if you are not working places like Western Europe as there is always always work.

....i just gave my opinion, on how charity isn't working in my opinion, and this might. MIGHT.......

Seeing as you do nothing charitable i dont see how you are in any postion to be able to tell if it is doing any good or not. The solution you are talking about is nothing to do with charity and i think maybe you need to have a better understanding of what charity is or means before coming here with radical ideas that are straight out of a conservative party manual.

....This a bit rich from the guy who evidently read what he wanted and ignored the rest, and knows f*ck all........

lol yea i have an issue reading what you typed obviously as i have over the last i dont know how many posts shown an inability to read.

....Couldn't get work, 'cause there was none, nada, tried everything and just wasn't any..........

Go suck an egg will you with this crap. No jobs out there none whatsoever bullshit.

If you had spent as much time looking for work as you do posting on this forum .....

.... You're one of those "if you're unemployed you're not looking hard enough and just freeloading" people who kow sh*t all about it.........

No i am one of those people that have been through hard times and bad luck and been down but didnt spend the entire time crying what a bitch life is on public forums expecting to get sympathy from everyone. I am your avaerage person, we all have hard times - its called life - it aint all roses and happiness.

What i dont expect is to hear a snot like you come on here preaching when in the same post you are telling everyone that there are no jobs nada nothing. I wonder what the guy living in a country that hasnt seen rain for five years and has no crops to eat would say?

Suppose now that the government in Finland had the same attitude as your are suggesting as a solution. Hell you could go scrub some toilets out in the train station, and then we will give you some food.

.... If you find that funny, you'll find this really f*cking hilarious: What do you do? Have you been unemployed? Have you been out of luck?

I have been unemployed and yes i have been out of luck and guess what a lot of people helped me out with money, food, shelter and you know something else that is really funny? They didnt do so that they could get me to wash there car or clean there shoes or some such thing, they did it because they are charitable people, something that you quite clearly are not.

 

[Thorwyn]

If you take a look at my initial post, you can't really say it's fair to call me a "racist, not accepting donations, ignorant" etc.

I never did that though, did I?

About your reply, i'm not, ofcourse, expecting people to line up and follow me, maybe it wasn't clear. Just my view on it all. And if i post, ofcourse i care. I'm trying to find out a solution, just like the next guy.

Yes! I think by now, the confusion is cleared up. Like I said, your initial post *sounded* like a suggestion to "put them to work" where "work" is an end in itself. Hence my reply.

Saying that THAT i taking advantage, well, it's a bit harsh. Even if you include everyone in it. I have to disagree with you on that, and i doubt it'll change either way. But that might come from location more then anything, as i don't think Finland exploited that much from Africa(we had slaves though, i think).

Fair enough.

I can't agree, on the "sins of the father" mentality, it just doesn't fit. Especially since we should be trying to help because we want, not because someone says "it was our fault, we have a DUTY to help".

I think it´s a mixture of both. It´s impossible to deny our history. On the other hand, it may never be the sole purpose of our actions. I don´t feel guilty at all, since I wasn´t born at that point. But - again - that doesn´t mean I can sit back and take everything for granted.
It´s pretty complicated to express.

 

[Calaen]

The problem with the initial post was,

Is that it was a typical Seel with no real direction so you end up getting people not knowing what the actual topic is about. It happens to much for it to not be deliberate

 

[old.Tohtori]

1: there are jobs a plenty 2:but you are a snob or a lazy git that doesnt want to work at certian jobs because you think you are better then that. 3:I have never known a McDonalds that doesnt have vacancies. So sorry yes you are free loading if you are not working places like Western Europe as there is always always work.

4:Seeing as you do nothing charitable i dont see how you are in any postion to be able to tell if it is doing any good or not. The solution you are talking about is nothing to do with charity and i think maybe you need to have a better understanding of what charity is or means before coming here with radical ideas that are straight out of a conservative party manual.

5: lol yea i have an issue reading what you typed obviously as i have over the last i dont know how many posts shown an inability to read.

6:Go suck an egg will you with this crap. No jobs out there none whatsoever bullshit.

7: If you had spent as much time looking for work as you do posting on this forum .....

8: No i am one of those people that have been through hard times and bad luck and been down but didnt spend the entire time crying what a bitch

9:What i dont expect is to hear a snot like you come on here preaching when in the same post you are telling everyone that there are no jobs nada nothing.

10: I have been unemployed and yes i have been out of luck and guess what a lot of people helped me out with money, food, shelter and you know something else that is really funny? They didnt do so that they could get me to wash there car or clean there shoes or some such thing, they did it because they are charitable people, something that you quite clearly are not.

Tierk, try reading a thread, instead of trying to come off as a righteous a-hole. But to humor you, i'll take a few points from your post:

1: There always isn't. Good for you if there was, but how on earth were you unemployed if there's ALWAYS work?

2: Know nothing about me as you prove time and time again. I tried at everything and anything.

3: McD don't hire everyone and anyone, and no, there' not always vacancies in a society where there are more students in need of a quick buck then there are MacDs.

4: Know nothing of what and if i do, so f*ck off with that. Even if i didn't, not doing something doesn't absolve it from judgment. You're not out in china fighting for human rights, how could you judge it? Right, you can still. And...like you yourself say later...this wasn't about charity. So...how about not try and use that against me.

5: You odn't have an issue reading, but an issue understanding and actually READING reading stuff before jumping on a flamecannon.

6: No jobs i could get. Want to see the unemployment agencies results? Reports? There isn't always jobs.

7: I spent more time then here, posting takes 2 minutes, you think i ate pastries the rest of the time? No. I looked.

8: Neither did i, people just seem to take it as such.

AND NOW THE BIG F*CKING THING:

9: I didn't, you brought it up, YOU, not me, get it?! You're the one dragging my personal life into the discussion. So who's the snot here.

10: Alot of people helped me too. But like you said, why weren't you working at MacD or some other place? Why were you unemployed? Hypocrite.

Is that it was a typical Seel with no real direction so you end up getting people not knowing what the actual topic is about. It happens to much for it to not be deliberate

Not as much as people throwing the old "you're like this, this is your life, this is why youpost" thing. How about try the f*ck to discuss a matter.

 

[Calaen]

Good answer. **Stuff**clearly are not.

I find myself agreeing with Tierk for probably the first time ever

I have been unemployed and worked my fair share of shit jobs to get by.

There is always work if you are not to proud.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I find myself agreeing with Tierk for probably the first time ever

I have been unemployed and worked my fair share of shit jobs to get by.

There is always work if you are not to proud.

And you think only because you've found jobs, in england(or whereever you live), that there's ALWAYS jobs in Finland too?

You see NOTHING at all wrong with that thinking?

Also interested to hear why tierk needed help, 'cause there's always jobs around.

Yes i'm being pedantic, but f*ck me i've grown tired of people digging up my personal life when it's nowhere near the discussion.

 

[Levin]

Can't you guys just agree to disagree, without hurling personal attacks?

I don't personally agree with Tohtori's opinion (I've said my piece on the subject earlier in this thread), but he's fully entitled to have it and he does not deserve having his personal life attacked over it. With attitudes like this, how would anyone here dare open up new discussion threads?

 

[Calaen]

How can he bring up a discussion regarding people being forced to work to live when he himself bummed around until he found the perfect job?

People that say there are no jobs are usually the ones who are being selfish and are only applying for jobs that they consider worthy of themselves.

There is always something available.

Its not just aimed at Toh either, I see this happening in England People are happier scrounging off the government and if asked would consider a fast food job below their station.

 

[Eeben]

How can he bring up a discussion regarding people being forced to work to live when he himself bummed around until he found the perfect job?

People that say there are no jobs are usually the ones who are being selfish and are only applying for jobs that they consider worthy of themselves.

There is always something available.

Its not just aimed at Toh either, I see this happening in England People are happier scrounging off the government and if asked would consider a fast food job below their station.

i agree with this tbh. There is always some shitty job that nobody wants . All about putting down your dignity. Mc D was the last place on earth i wantet to work but i had to apply there because i needed money bad . so i did and got the job, turnt out to be the best thing i ever done, met so many new friends and even my gf and had great 8 month there until i got my "dream" job.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How can he bring up a discussion regarding people being forced to work to live when he himself bummed around until he found the perfect job?

People that say there are no jobs are usually the ones who are being selfish and are only applying for jobs that they consider worthy of themselves.

There is always something available.

Its not just aimed at Toh either, I see this happening in England People are happier scrounging off the government and if asked would consider a fast food job below their station.

First off, i didn't bum around, get it, didn't, i searched, did, went, out, serached and searched more. Calling that i was "bumming it" is almost as bad as Gorb calling me a racist.

The thing is, you're unwilling to accept that maybe,m just maybe, i looked for anything. I went to the unemployment agency and said "anything", you know the answer?

"You can't look for just anything".

So i said i don't have a drivers lisence etc, my training, and there were no open jobs. Those jobs that i applied to, everything from a storage worker to secretary for f*cks sake, didn't pan out.

I applied for EVERYTHING, and there was nothing. Or, as said, nothing panned out.

But like i said earlier, people think that because you can't find a job, that they're not looking or are picky, when that's not the case.

Ofcourse there are people who don't pick jobs, but f*ck me if i'm gonna be put to that category.

Not to mention, it has nothing to do with the discussion, and that you misunderstood the post completely. As has been explained in the thread.

 

[kivik]

It sounds horribly harsh but i've had the same view for quite a while now.

We don't need more food and water, etc. etc.
We need less people!

While the adverts for aid, 3 children die every second etc all sound very upsetting, if we actually go over and save those 3 children every second the world will run out of natural resources in hours..

I agree.

The problem for me is that only persons in 3rd world countries die in masses while we try to fight human death at any price here. See my point? If there could be a balance of number of deaths in all places in the world it would be great. That'd obviously mean we'd stop try medically treat all those heart diseases, cancer and shit here in the west

 

[Zede]

didnt we have a very similar thread with old.Tohtori whining like this a few months ago ?

The word which does not exist in tohtoris vocabulary :

Altruism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he just aint hard wired that way, c'est la vie