Warrior spec?

[Sorenti]

Thanks Kalba,

Much better answer! Now perhaps you're right, I've always played Healers, Shammies, RM's etc so might not know the role of Warrior as well as some, though when you rely on them to bodyguard you - you do find out what's needed. In a sense, a Warrior still has to be a damage dealer in the role of bodyguard cos enemies always go straight for casters with their "titanium-like" cloth armour and massive melee attacks lol - no good not being able to stop a direct melee attack on a caster and so far, I seem to be able to block most attacks on whoever I am guarding. But thanks for the advice! Just to clarify, I will probably respec to 50s/50s/28p at some point if this way doesn't work.

Anyway, my Warrior is just an experiment as everyone specs 50/50/28 and I hate being "everyone" - If everyone specced exactly the same, there'd be no diversity at all.

What worried me was that I heard a rumour that Parry stat was now totally ineffective in RvR, being delegated to Master of Parry Realm Ability only. However, nobody thus far seems to know for sure - or at least, none that have read this thread yet - anyone know if this is correct?

Heh, I remember Splashor in Malmo before he hit 50 - long time ago now!

Oh and no, I wasn't talking about me and 6 of my mates ganking a solo lvl 50 lmfao - that's not RvR, that's just Albs' game plan - Ok, the most recent wasn't much of an accomplishment seeing as it was a lvl 50 scout in DF, he one-shot killed my lvl 35 Healer bb, leaving me without any buffs at all and I still took him down.

<Lothandar - no comment needed>

 

[raid]

Ok, you're obviously one of those people who contribute to the reasons why everyone says Midgard is an unfriendly place! I won't call you a n00b cos you seem to have some good characters, but you are acting like one with your response!

nevermind him, he's desperately trying to be the aussie of midgard

 

[Aussie]

nevermind him, he's desperately trying to be the aussie of midgard

which is a good thing right?

 

[Lothandar]

nevermind him, he's desperately trying to be the aussie of midgard

Yeah he's a clueless idiot, isn't that so aussie?

Sorenti: Thou shalt not tell me if a comment is needed or not. I told you your spec sucks, live with it. I would not be surprised if people told me my 50 pac 20 mend spec healer sucks, for example. Then if I wanted to be like a roleplaying midget I could start bursting out how cool the lvl 50 ae stun is !! Yeah.

 

[raid]

which is a good thing right?

i guess, would be much more boring forums otherwise

however the "leet" posts with some hostility like lothandars in this thread are just stupid towards people who are actually trying to explain something like the original poster, theyre much better suited towards wannabe leet ppl like me and many other fh posters

 

[Sorenti]

So Lothandar, oh wise one, in spite of your sarcy and pointless comments, you still have not been able to answer the actual question I asked...

Has the Parry stat been rendered ineffective and been deferred completely to Master of Parry Realm Ability in RvR or not?

Now since you've made it blatantly obvious you have no clue at all, please don't deem it absolutely necessary to respond to anything anyone ever writes lol. Oh and by the way, I wasn't telling you not to comment, I was saying your previous reply wasn't worth a comment. Seems a common notion around the forums too!

"I told you your spec sucks, live with it." - Oooohhh pardon me for not being a sheep and trying a different spec, sir! (Baaaaa)

 

[Chesnox]

It's all good championing a different spec Sorenti, but don't big it up for something it blatantly isn't. Bottom line is, not going at least 42 shield gimps a warrior, in PvE and RvR. Stories of pwnage in RvR or yarns of seeing off lvl50 scouts in DF may be true, but in the final analysis and parry specialised warrior will always underperform a shield specced warrior.

The only reason I would ever consider going 50 parry is if I decided to always wield 2h and built a warrior specced for offense. But other classes (even in Mid) do this so much better than warriors (however specced) so there is really no point. Basically, you wear a shield, you spec it to at least 42, or you are gimped.

 

[Sorenti]

but in the final analysis and parry specialised warrior will always underperform a shield specced warrior.

Based on what? Don't get me wrong, I'm not being argumentative, it's just everyone says the same, therefore it must be correct - but I am wondering why and what it's based on, one style?

Oh I agree Chesnox, that when compared to a 50w/50sh Warrior, any other spec is a lesser one overall, some are better in certain situations as with all classes and specs - depends how you play the character - I'm just being different - but what I want to know, nobody seems able to answer for definite...

Does anyone know about the effectiveness, or ineffectiveness of the Parry stat in RvR???

 

[Kalba]

Does anyone know about the effectiveness, or ineffectiveness of the Parry stat in RvR???

I thought I explained this but apparently didnt.

Parry isnt very useful, since you cant guard and you are seldom the first target to take down. The chances of parrying and it's penalties for several attackers I have no idea of.

 

[Puppet]

Parry isnt useless in RvR; it works fine; HOWEVER:

a) Parry doesnt work on ranged attacks (firebolts, arrows) where shield does

b) Parry is only personal defense; where shield is ALSO (when it comes to guarding) protection for someone else with lesser defenses against melee

c) Shield-spec gives you styles which are; on higher levels; pretty powerful. 42 shield gives u a 9 sec ANYTIME stun - not reduced by resists/determination/stoicism. Parry-spec gives u nothing but a better chance to parry.

With that in mind its obvious there's 2 choices to spec for:

a) Max personal defenses and WS - 50 weapon 42 shield 39 parry; great for soloing and such

b) Max WS and defenses for your groupmembers while having above average personal defenses - 50 weapon 50 shield 28 parry.


Your spec like 50 shield 50 parry 28 shield doesnt give your group defense, you dont get the better stun styles from shield-spec. Therefore your spec seems not sensible since you overall loose stuff. You will probably do better against a dualwield-class with purge up; however you loose alot of defense against archers + your guarding (defense for groupmembers) is suffering alot AND you loose the general utility of the stun styles.

There's a reason why people spec cookie-cutter: Because it works. What Kalba says really: While 3-spec shaman might be 'fun' the old folks told him another spec (prolly with 4 mend xD) works better. After some serious RvR-experience and learning your role in RvR you will agree to that sooner or later.

 

[Helme]

In group RvR, only time you should take up 2h imo is when the enemy support is whiped and its just a few halfbuffed tanks/casters left, else nope never.

Also parry is imo useless because if the enemy tanks attacks you in a group fight instead of caster/support they die anyways and you don't <need> that extra defense since the casters nuke the crap out of them.

Also compared to shield parry is crap, you can't guard anyone with parry, you can block scoutadds for yourself or an groupmate with parry you can't anytime stun someone with parry.

 

[Himse]

It's all good championing a different spec Sorenti, but don't big it up for something it blatantly isn't. Bottom line is, not going at least 42 shield gimps a warrior, in PvE and RvR. Stories of pwnage in RvR or yarns of seeing off lvl50 scouts in DF may be true, but in the final analysis and parry specialised warrior will always underperform a shield specced warrior.

The only reason I would ever consider going 50 parry is if I decided to always wield 2h and built a warrior specced for offense. But other classes (even in Mid) do this so much better than warriors (however specced) so there is really no point. Basically, you wear a shield, you spec it to at least 42, or you are gimped.

says the person with 30 sheild

 

[Chunky]

Personaly i spent the first year of DAoC with 50 weap, 42 sheild, 39 parry. For the rest of my time here i have had 50,50,28 (+MoB3) and i do prefer it, both PvE and PvP. In PvE i can happily have 4 oj mobs on me and 4 mobs on secound tank. using guard i will block 90% of hits on myself and secound tank.
In PvP and using guard i will block most pets and will happily block 80% of pain in the arse assisting scouts.

IMO: 50,50,28

 

[Healer McHeal]

parry does work in RvR, but not as well as sheild, but yes, parry can stop alot of hits on YOU in rvr, where as sheild will stop them on you and the person your guarding,

and really, depends what you want to do with your char, if you only solo, i dont think sheild will be THAT inportant, sure, slam is nice, but if your solo, you want the 2h for dmg, and without parry, you gonna get chewed up

 

[Coldbeard]

guard aint't that important in rvr anymore anyways , the one you are gonna guard most likely will be nuked to death before you can say abcd :/ , same goes for bg ;p. But as for soloing i'd rather have shield to be able to be protected from archers and being able to do a 9 sec stun anytime is nice also :> at high rr you are gonna get high + parry also so doesnt matter if you arent higher than 28 parry.

 

[Huntingtons]

31/31/31/31/31/31 ftw!

only hardcore warrior spec out there

 

[Paparia]

untitled.ppp

tank is shield so 50 is the base :eek2: