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[old.Zedorf]

Originally posted by Ottar
What makes me very serious indeed is when I think back to the one time we actually got through doors. Hibs retreated to the lord room and used the same PBAOE to block the entrance.

duuuh.. maybe we should stay down and let you run up ?

There was NO WAY we could have got through that radiation. Level 50 tank has approximate lifetime somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds counting from the first PBAOE. That while navigating the stairs under heavy lag. I was very lucky - I got to land 2 hits with my hammer + one pair of DD’s. I think I even killed a greencon on those stairs. Vast majority of us did not get so lucky.

who said its supposed to be so damn EASY to take over keeps when they are defended?! problem is when you used to fly right trough us most of us were low 30's ( seems like you middies thought that hibbies would always stay at those lvl's )
well of course we are higher levels now and we can HURT you back good, so just accept it and adept to it, dont just try to run trough us

Yes, we could have regrouped in the courtyard and charged in more organized. So what? More tightly packed targets for PBAOE. We could have send people in piecemeal to deplete caster mana. Very much doubt if it would have worked. We could have sent up all our healers first, hoping one of them could insta-mez them casters. One way trick with not much chance to success and would leave us with only 2-3 shamen to do the ressing.

weeeell... lets say we were taking blede over and all you guys were at the lord.. we wouldnt stand a chance to take it over either.. so dont whine! :sleeping:

Perhaps, if resists worked in this version, skald resist chant combined with shaman resist buffs could have taken enough tanks up there to kill off the casters. Perhaps not.

weeell.. you get resist buffs.. we get resist debuffs

Can anybody suggest a viable tactics for taking a keep defended by PBAOE casters with mana regen backup? In current version of the game? Im fresh out of ideas.

die and die again.. we might get bored and let you trough

> stick 6-7 of them in the Lords Room with a bard or two an a ment and I
> can see attackers never taking a defended keep.

Exactly. No way to take such a keep, other than to take it while it’s undefended. People say taking undefended keeps is boring. Well.. that may be, but taking defended keeps is a bloody nightmare because of lag. If defended by PBAOE casters in the lord room, it also is an impossibility.

yay.. like if we didnt lag.. guess it wasnt lag causing a troll whacking me standing behind the door and i was in middle of courtyard huh? and again!! it isnt supposed to be easy.. its just as hard for us to take a keep if you defend.. why the HELL should it be easy for you?

> how many times havnt us hibbies failed to take a defended keep
> with your AoE casters and

AoE casters on the walls? Are deadly, yes, but keeps CAN be taken through AoE barrage. It’s been done - it’s possible. Casters on the walls can be countered. Unless someone comes up with an idea on how to counter PBAOE in the lord room, these things are not in the same category.

yes why dont we all get same abilities, classes,races and have a big party where everyone can do what everyone else can

Possibly, just possibly, when the resists start working in some of the oncoming patches and musician classes get resist chants.. Currently, PBAOE-defended keeps are untakeable, I think.

aww nooo.. untill we enchanters can summon dragons killing everything in 1 hit we hibbies cant take a keep thats defended either

> well we cant do much more with our pbaoe can we? ever been
> killed by it in PvP?

Oh boy, are you wrong here. That PBAOE of yers has other uses. Ever heard of a PBAOE exp group?

excuse me? i thought this is the RvR board.. i said PvP also.. i never mentioned PvE... we cant do shit else with the PB AOE in RvR,PvP except defend keeps.. and we cant even do a SQUAT untill you are trough the first door how effective is that..



And im not beeing impolite or anything, just sick of middies whining just cause we hibbies can fight back something must be wrong
.. i mean why should we hibbies be able to do something and pull it off when we never had before... duuuh
Cheer Up, your time is over, time for hibernia to rule alittle

 

[Ottar]

> Yup dont take our keeps, give back our relics and leave us alone

This really what ya want? Peace? Last time I checked there ain’t that many of them pacifists in Midgard. Well, Malenka might say she is but by Thor them troll women be terrible when pissed off and in bad mood. So ya might want to think of another one.

Ottar

 

[old.jazs]

Ahh, Zedorf, but when taking defended keep is impossible, they why to attack it over all ? Why waste 6 hours giving defending side rps ?
No. We have taken defended keeps and will take surely in future,
never fear..but this time u said u had 2, just 2 ppl who casted pbaoe. And they killed 90% of our forces rushing to tower. 15-20-30 mids..cannot say..many in any case. Kindda unbalanced i say, espacially when u are hit whole floor lower than those damned casters. No way u can mez stun or kill em. Coz when u see em, u are dead and watch em walking down the stairs, cheering and scrathing their pet-trees behind pointed ears . And, whatever you think, we dont have buffs that will rise our resists to mez/stun or other magical offence. Just str,dex and other such stats buffs. And AF. Thats all.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by Ottar
... them troll women be terrible when pissed off and in bad mood...

... you mean Glauthrong?

 

[Ottar]

> who said its supposed to be so damn EASY to take over keeps
> when they are defended?!

Why you asking that? Certainly wasn’t me who said it should be easy.

> its just as hard for us to take a keep if you defend..

Nope. Reversing the sides, so that similar sized mid army of equal levels you had defending yesterday against hib army as numerous and high in levels as we had, we would have very likely lost the keep.

Point is, if there is something that makes it impossible (note the word impossible, not easy) to take a defended keep, the only way becomes to take the keeps when they are not defended. That in turn, would make the game less fun to play.

Whatever. Haven’t had much sleep. Perhaps there is a way to get rid of them casters in lord’s room after all.

Ottar

 

[Ottar]

> we dont have buffs that will rise our resists

Actually we do. Dunno if they’re in this version yet but shaman aug spec has heat cold and matter resists starting from lvl 23-25 (8%).

> ... you mean Glauthrong?

Ya think Glauthrong is bad? Nah, ya never met his grandmother!

Ottar

 

[Fex]

Yea what a great night of RvR. I must say pld to all the hibs there that did a damn good job of defending the keep and it seemed like there were even a few tactics used, strange that but nm. I turned up just after the first wave had broke the 1st door down and me being the hunter i am decided to hide in the trees and try to pick any incoming hibs off i could. I didnt actually see any inc hibs but i found me a little alb cleric to play with So after a few shots with my trusty bow he turns around and spots me. I thought ok well he's a tank so time to get the old spear out but no he's a bloody cleric, 1 insta heal and he's back to full health d'oh. After a few hits and him casting some sort of wierd lightning spell on me (resisted twice btw ) he comes in for the melee scrap. Just as it was looking like it would be a close battle my spear procs and BOOM he's within 1 shot of going to where ever the hell dead albs go. Pleasure to fight you ( sorry i forgot your name) and any time you fancy a rematch just give me a yell.

Great fun and a great battle which im sure will be remembered for a few months to come, if only for those framerate killing AoE nukes. Looks like we mids have a fight on our hands now and that can only be a good thing imo.

Also wp to all the mids at DC and the defense they made there, nice work lads

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Seems the Midgard battlewagon was rolling in the past Few hours
Bledmere has returned to its Rightfull owners

Well done Midgard
No idea if it was defended or not (i assume low to no resistance)
but could be wrong

Nice to see it was not held for 24hours

 

[old.Haf]

yay, had a hard time last night trying to get that fort back, must say played to the Hibs.

At least it is now back in our grasp \o/

 

[old.Kaylin]

I must say Ottar, it is not impossible to get into that lord room, the only reason you failed the first time, was some of you were attacking the lord. We must of had less than 5 people left at the end, and they only survived because the lord killed what remaining force you had.

Oh and all those mids and hibs moaning about the frame rate and not being able to see through the pbaoe's try using /effects none, should make your life a little easier in the future.

So yes had you targeted us instead of the lord to begin with, might have been a different story. and it wasnt 20-30 hibs for whoever posted, was more like 15-16 of us.

Anyway damn good show chaps and chapesses of both sides.

p.s. all those who were sat in the yard and started dying when your realm mates attacked the lord room might want to look up next time and shoot back ; ). Only got hit once and that was the ever present annoyance of that kobold archer Blood.

Kaylin,

Proffesional Hibernian wall chewing defender.

 

[Fex]

Kaylin you must have miss understood me. I wasn't moaning about the framerates but merely trying to make an amusing comment.

/me wanders off

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Guess taking back Bledmeer when it's not defended as people actually have work to do is a bit of a hollow victory for you Mids. It was obvious you couldn't hack it whilst we were in there

And yes the courtyard was slightly bizarre. After we killed everyone off who came up in the third charge, a few of us (very few) charged down the stairs to kill what was left. There were 2 blue con kobolds there you must have been shell shocked as I proceded to one bolt one then the other without any reaction. There were still a few Mids left outside but we soon routed them too (btw Zid, do you not like me for some reason? Whenever I run past in a group you always start shooting at me ).

 

[old.Kaylin]

More of a case of archers prefer to kill casters first, even con casters should die in 2 shots(3 if they got bt up). So more a matter of killing the fastest thing possible and then getting the hell out of dodge Lian ; ).

 

[Bethor]

Originally posted by Aph3x
I didnt actually see any inc hibs but i found me a little alb cleric to play with So after a few shots with my trusty bow he turns around and spots me. I thought ok well he's a tank so time to get the old spear out but no he's a bloody cleric, 1 insta heal and he's back to full health d'oh. After a few hits and him casting some sort of wierd lightning spell on me (resisted twice btw ) he comes in for the melee scrap. Just as it was looking like it would be a close battle my spear procs and BOOM he's within 1 shot of going to where ever the hell dead albs go. Pleasure to fight you ( sorry i forgot your name) and any time you fancy a rematch just give me a yell.

I was that little cleric and those resists were bloody annoying. Tho that proc took the biscuit and my health. Talk about pain, i though some caster was blatting me then. Anyway I salute you for killing me i would of been there sooner if i hadn't gotten lost twice

 

[svar]

Mana Enchanters PBAOE has a casting time of 2 sec (like runemaster DD), whereas mana Eldritches have a 3 sec PBAOE.

And no, 2-3 guys DID NOT stop your whole army, do not dramatize. First, there were 4 pbaoers there and what do you think 30 of us others were doing? Playing chess? I killed fair share of SBs trying to climb those walls as did other tanks guarding entrance points, rangers were having time of their lives, eldritches too.... So dont dramatize .

 

[old.Kaylin]

Have to agree with you svauron it was fun, though i spent 50% of the time staring at a cold concrete floor .

 

[malenka]

I hate you hibs. You kept me up till 3.30 and I had to get up at 6 to go to that Albion wasteland called Milton Keynes. I am totally whacked now.

It was a good night. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for letting me practice my AE dot on you and not killing me too often.

Here's wishing you luck in another night of great RvR.

A big thank you to all the unsung heros, our healers standing down the bottom of the hill who uncomplainingly kept ressing me and the other mad Midgardians who stayed up.

 

[Ottar]

> I must say Ottar, it is not impossible to get into that lord
> room, the only reason you failed the first time, was some
> of you were attacking the lord.

?? Didn't know that. All I saw was continous cover of bodies all the way up that last flight of stairs. Didn't know anyone actualy made it up there.

In that case yes, perhaps we could have even taken the keep.

Ottar

 

[Azal]

Guess taking back Bledmeer when it's not defended as people actually have work to do is a bit of a hollow victory for you Mids. It was obvious you couldn't hack it whilst we were in there

I guess that'd be like when you hibs took it in the first place then?

pot, kettle,black

 

[Luuna]

We were trying to stop people killing you, but a part of our reinforcements had been killed by Albs at the MG and weren't in a good mood...

Yup, I was one of those reinforcements to be killed by Albs on the way in. Didn't even make it to our MG ... Was just Zed and myself, trotting down the path to be confronted by six Albs. I mezzed the first five and backed off trying to imply that we meant no harm, but your sixth member killed me anyway. Zed managed to make it back to our PK. Nice taunt spamming on my dead body Kladan .

By the way guys, if you're going to camp me while I wait for a rezz do make sure you keep an eye out for those pesky Mid skalds which ran up behind you and twatted you ... Cordain was with one other Mid and ran up behind you as you hid behind a tree ... was a joy to watch the drama unfold!

Pity the 2nd two runs were just as desperate with the people I was following running me blind into some wyverns ... Doh! uke:

 

[old.Deadbeat]

Off topic a bit now, but on the question of pets..... If a pet is set to 'Defensive' (to guard my mage ass from those SB's) then ANYONE who hits/damages you the pet will run off and attack.

Point im making is most of the time you don't know your pets has gone through the door to get that AOE nuker on the battlements.

 

[old.Nedowiz]

Originally posted by Azal


I guess that'd be like when you hibs took it in the first place then?

pot, kettle,black

And your point is? Considering Crauchon is constantly being taken undefended by Mids...

The post you replied to was trying to show that after being held back an entire night taking it without opposition does not have the same _value_

I think both you and me agree on that? Much more fun to be able to take down players defending a keep before taking it then to lure the stupid guards that has been done 100 times before.

 

[old.jazs]

Originally posted by Nedowiz


And your point is? Considering Crauchon is constantly being taken undefended by Mids...

The post you replied to was trying to show that after being held back an entire night taking it without opposition does not have the same _value_

I think both you and me agree on that? Much more fun to be able to take down players defending a keep before taking it then to lure the stupid guards that has been done 100 times before.

Feck. No more arguing, let our hammers show our honest intentions and best wishes for you.

 

[Luuna]

What is this "it's better to take a defended keep than an undefended one" argument?

The whole point of warfare is that you catch your enemy off gaurd ... Yes, it's fun to successfully take a defended keep, but at the same time isn't it just as fun to take an undefended keep knowing that the enemy will be made instantly aware and will be coming en mass to recapture it? I truly find it exciting when I hear the scouts relaying their warnings and then moments before the battle people shouting in unison "They're coming!".

It's just not realistic to expect keeps to be defended 24/7. Also, if we relay our every movement to the enemy there is hardly much point in RvRing at all.

 

[Melodic]

Dammit that's 2 nights of storming RvR I've missed this week!!!!

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Originally posted by Luuna Star
What is this "it's better to take a defended keep than an undefended one" argument?

The whole point of warfare is that you catch your enemy off gaurd ... Yes, it's fun to successfully take a defended keep, but at the same time isn't it just as fun to take an undefended keep knowing that the enemy will be made instantly aware and will be coming en mass to recapture it? I truly find it exciting when I hear the scouts relaying their warnings and then moments before the battle people shouting in unison "They're coming!".

It's just not realistic to expect keeps to be defended 24/7. Also, if we relay our every movement to the enemy there is hardly much point in RvRing at all.

Yeah but they took it in the middle of the afternoon when most people are at work... that was the point I was making. That and that it is probably (wouldn't know never taken a defended keep) more satisfying taking a keep that is defended well and that the final battle scene is that only 5 people of the victorious side are still standing. I like my epic battles