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[pip]

just roll warlock slap em both but tbh di is retarded easy mode healing takes skillz like my warlock

 

[Biohazarddk]

Funny how people say DI has to go, probably never played a Support class themselves.
Hard enough healing WL damage(yes after the nerf) on a caster with DI up and near impossible if you wouldn't even have DI.
And if you say it's OP on a duo then why don't you interrupt the Sorc or whatever class is running with DI and kill his bot, will not take long as most bots have crap templates anyway and die really fast giving you 2 times the RPs.

it's quite hard to interrupt the sorc when he is using MoC3 tbh... Or just MoC1 can be annoying aswell.. But wait? Horner is running with his rr5+ DI bot, so might not be as bad as it seems.. Or ? Get a clue

 

[Alexandrinus]

it's quite hard to interrupt the sorc when he is using MoC3 tbh... Or just MoC1 can be annoying aswell.. But wait? Horner is running with his rr5+ DI bot, so might not be as bad as it seems.. Or ? Get a clue

or maybe he only use his insta LT....press one button and you easy ...such a class

 

[Andrilyn]

it's quite hard to interrupt the sorc when he is using MoC3 tbh... Or just MoC1 can be annoying aswell.. But wait? Horner is running with his rr5+ DI bot, so might not be as bad as it seems.. Or ? Get a clue

Yeah cos we all know MoC3 is on a 1 min timer and we all know you can't just kite for 30 secs when he presses MoC or use Amnesia or Stun him or Mez him or FZ him or Unmana + Demo him, heck even walkthrough would work.
I seriously see no problem with dealing with people that can MoC lifetap (faced SM's alot and they have better LT than Sorcs).
If you think you can use 1 button and kill anything on your path then sure I'd imagine you wouldn't know of ways to deal with a person that MoC's.

 

[Gear]

Funny how people say DI has to go, probably never played a Support class themselves.

I got a 6l4 druid on Lamorak and a 6l9 druid here and I still say that DI has to go.

 

[kivik]

Funny how people say DI has to go, probably never played a Support class themselves.
Hard enough healing WL damage(yes after the nerf) on a caster with DI up and near impossible if you wouldn't even have DI.
And if you say it's OP on a duo then why don't you interrupt the Sorc or whatever class is running with DI and kill his bot, will not take long as most bots have crap templates anyway and die really fast giving you 2 times the RPs.

Funny how you claim it's easy to deal with DI as a soloer, probably never played a soloer yourself. I've played a support class and soloed alot, sure DI is not OP when playing in a group and fighting other groups, but to have it available on a bot on stick to kill soloers is stupid. The idea about a req of having atleast 4 people in group for DI to work was pretty good.

 

[anioal]

haha, was it Phake? cause we had him die exactely like that yesterday, the caba ml9 pet went for you after but it was too funny to keep it on you

yup :worthy:

have to try it on a roaming fg, but DI will cut all the charm

 

[Asha]

Just a simple question. Why are you trying to solo someone who is playing two chars? It's lame how he plays and I have NEVER understood why 3-4 stealthers don't just jump him and his bot at once. Do it enough and he will either get the point and stop it or quit or only stay near towers where he can hide his bot. It can't be that hard. I don't think chain killing him is considered griefing

No, you should not nerf DI because of ONE lamer. No you certainly shouldn't make it work in groups of 4 or more only. Why shouldn't I be able to use it when duoing? Stealthers get the advantage of stealth. If they don't want to fight a caster + healer, then they don't have to. You shouldn't be ABLE to kill a caster and healer solo.

In albion we regard horner as amusing and sometimes annoying but really why would you treat him as a soloer when he is playing two chars? You wouldn't solo attack a normal cleric/sorc duo and expect to win, would you?

 

[Cromcruaich]

Just a simple question. Why are you trying to solo someone who is playing two chars? It's lame how he plays and I have NEVER understood why 3-4 stealthers don't just jump him and his bot at once. Do it enough and he will either get the point and stop it or quit or only stay near towers where he can hide his bot. It can't be that hard. I don't think chain killing him is considered griefing

No, you should not nerf DI because of ONE lamer. No you certainly shouldn't make it work in groups of 4 or more only. Why shouldn't I be able to use it when duoing? Stealthers get the advantage of stealth. If they don't want to fight a caster + healer, then they don't have to. You shouldn't be ABLE to kill a caster and healer solo.

In albion we regard horner as amusing and sometimes annoying but really why would you treat him as a soloer when he is playing two chars? You wouldn't solo attack a normal cleric/sorc duo and expect to win, would you?

Very well put.

 

[Vodkafairy]

frustration = certain death when adds come
fun = adds when you have a chance to kill them too

ml9 sorc adding = dead, period. DI bot is just an extra 'outskilled' slap in the face

 

[Asha]

So make a group and kill him 10 times in a row. I still don't see why it's any more frustrating than 3 ppl adding on you or three stealthers attacking your healer in the middle of a fg fight or any of the other stuff that goes on. And people aren't whining about him adding, they are whining that they can't solo him, which is stupid imo.

 

[Aiteal]

Just a simple question. Why are you trying to solo someone who is playing two chars?

He's not playing two chars
He's hitting a button on one char that means he doesnt have to worry about playing it
If DI bot users were intead actually forced to actively heal with the other char it wouldnt be a problem

 

[illu]

Just a simple question. Why are you trying to solo someone who is playing two chars? It's lame how he plays and I have NEVER understood why 3-4 stealthers don't just jump him and his bot at once. Do it enough and he will either get the point and stop it or quit or only stay near towers where he can hide his bot. It can't be that hard. I don't think chain killing him is considered griefing

No, you should not nerf DI because of ONE lamer. No you certainly shouldn't make it work in groups of 4 or more only. Why shouldn't I be able to use it when duoing? Stealthers get the advantage of stealth. If they don't want to fight a caster + healer, then they don't have to. You shouldn't be ABLE to kill a caster and healer solo.

In albion we regard horner as amusing and sometimes annoying but really why would you treat him as a soloer when he is playing two chars? You wouldn't solo attack a normal cleric/sorc duo and expect to win, would you?

A well made point. BUT, I don't want to fight him really, he just pops up where people are fighting and blows them away, and I am sure half the time that the Albs that he "helps" don't actually want his help.
I did PM a few shadowblades in the area to suggest ganging up on him, but they were all fed up by then and were logging :/

Anyway, some good points brought up in this thread, and I might try and compile an email to Mythic to ask them if they could look at ML9 pets in RvR, and immunity to chain grappling would be good too.

Also like I mentioned earlier, the /stick command not working in RvR for realm mates would make an interesting change, and would mean DI Botters would have to stay at towers/keeps and could be pretty easily avoidable.

Next time I'm at Beno and there is a certain Sorc+DI bot with him, I'll be making a BG/CG for some payback.

Oli - Illu

 

[Asha]

He's not playing two chars
He's hitting a button on one char that means he doesnt have to worry about playing it
If DI bot users were intead actually forced to actively heal with the other char it wouldnt be a problem

He is still playing two chars. And I am willing to bet he will have no problem to have his sorc targeted with cleric and use insta heals aswell. Maybe he even has bof, who knows.

I just think it would be funny to chain kill him all night, fuck the rps.

 

[Kagato]

Of cause soon as those SB's start grouping up to kill horner and his bots, they'll just disband and not gang up on the other hard to kill soloers in the area....

 

[Asha]

Don't whine about something that didn't happen yet ffs! There is enough whine w/o pre-whine whine.

 

[Aiteal]

He is still playing two chars. And I am willing to bet he will have no problem to have his sorc targeted with cleric and use insta heals aswell. Maybe he even has bof, who knows.

I just think it would be funny to chain kill him all night, fuck the rps.

I've killed him when he camps a tower and forgets to turn DI on after the timer is up.
You put too much faith in his playing abilities

Same with remoteaccess and a few others who run around with DI bots
Once the DI is used up they run around like headless chickens panicking if they should heal or mezz or whatever and end up dead on both chars

DI means they dont have to actively play the healer
The one button does the job for them allowing them to concentrate on playing the damage dealer without having to worry if they are getting healed or not.

Did anyone run around with heal bots in tow before DI became an ra?

 

[Beltorak]

why dont u all stealthers bring ur own DI bots? Ohh yes... ur stealth... can PA for 1000 through BT + Brittle with stun on 2nd style.... aply poison with no immunity... drop poison spike... and if it fails...........

JUST VANISH....

 

[Asha]

Yes our sorc waaaaaaaaaay back in the day used to run around with his bot stuck to him so he could insta heal himself. It never worked

That was before SI iirc.

I used to stick my friends mincer to me so me and another friend would have speed.

 

[Wazkyr]

ill join in on the whine.
Why the fuck isnt there more pugs/guilds recruiting for my BG friar that wanna rvr.
Nerf timered ablitys, nothing suck more than dieing becous the oponent got everything up.
Remove fucking IP from fucking rangers, always own vs them on inf, till they IP on 3% and win.
Remove baseline stun on tard casters.
Remove insta lt on one button skill BD who can win vs almost everything if they just lagstrafes/abuses (witch they all do)
Boost friar for groupplay, not a fucking solo boost that didnt do enough please.
Remove vanish. Nerf ml9 pet to 1 min (witch is more than enough to farm with it, caster fights last 5-10 sec)
Nerf PA dmg, especially 2h.
Or just remove all casters from solo/small scale rvr and im happy.

 

[Aiteal]

Yes our sorc waaaaaaaaaay back in the day used to run around with his bot stuck to him so he could insta heal himself. It never worked

Well there you go
Playing 2 chars isnt the same as playing 1 char with a DI bot on /stick

A 3000 heal pool that is invoked by 1 button isnt the same as whatever crappy insta heal a healer char that is specced for buffs can give.

 

[Aiteal]

Remove fucking IP from fucking rangers, always own vs them on inf, till they IP on 3% and win.

Hehe
So you always "own" them without IP?
So without IP you would never be beaten by a ranger again?
Now where would be the fun in that?

 

[Wazkyr]

Hehe
So you always "own" them without IP?
So without IP you would never be beaten by a ranger again?
Now where would be the fun in that?

its the skillz, nothing to be with the class. Theres a reason for my infs name . Just dosnt always come true when they fecking ip.

 

[Aiteal]

its the skillz, nothing to be with the class. Theres a reason for my infs name . Just dosnt always come true when they fecking ip.

hehe
Don't believe the hype

 

[illu]

Of cause soon as those SB's start grouping up to kill horner and his bots, they'll just disband and not gang up on the other hard to kill soloers in the area....

I would never gang up on you Kagato, we lub you :>

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

why dont u all stealthers bring ur own DI bots? Ohh yes... ur stealth... can PA for 1000 through BT + Brittle with stun on 2nd style.... aply poison with no immunity... drop poison spike... and if it fails...........

JUST VANISH....

A cunning plan. Except that a Stealther with a non-stealther DI Bot stuck to him would kind of give away his position :>
Why don't you ML10 them? Well I imagine the moment they cast a spell they will become visible. And I don't think most stealthers would stoop that low, anyway, as we're all looking for good hard fights, that we just win with 2% health left

And Vanish is very hit and miss. Someone just needs to fart in a 50000 vicinity of where you are, and out you pop, disarmed, free RP.

Maybe vanish should be changed so that you can't use it under 25% health or something. Then again, there's no point nerfing it when it is already nerfed with a random 50% chance of working :>

Oli - Illu

 

[Asha]

Well there you go
Playing 2 chars isnt the same as playing 1 char with a DI bot on /stick

A 3000 heal pool that is invoked by 1 button isnt the same as whatever crappy insta heal a healer char that is specced for buffs can give.

He is still using the abilities of two chars. You're totally missing the point. He is using an ability which is a heafty RR investment. Plus god knows what else. There is no reason to think that you should be able to SOLO someone doing that. There is no reason to treat him as if he was a soloer. It doesn't matter if he isn't playing the second char, he is still getting so many passive benefits from it. Also, I thought ppl complain that he stuns with cleric, in which case, he is using more than just passives and just another reason to not consider it soloing.
Is that a reason to nerf di? No. It's a reason to not treat him as a soloer.

 

[Aiteal]

He is still using the abilities of two chars. You're totally missing the point.

Maybe I am
But then again maybe you are missing the point that people are making
He is not "playing" 2 chars as you originally said.
He is yes, "using the abilities" of 2 chars asteh arguement has changed to.

DI allows him to forget about having to play the second char
It's just /stick, DI button and away we go
That's the problem most people (have with it) have with it.

Sorcs are already a very powerful class, even in the hands of an average player, adding a DI bot with 3000 points of healing to a class that has a pet, aoe CC, lifetap and a RR5 ability that gives them 90% melee immunity on a timer is an example of how features added to the game to balance 8vs8 fights that gets abused by people mortally afraid to loose in a game to screw small scale and 1 on 1 players.

ok
look at this link
http://www.michaelcassidy.org/daocmovies/horner.zip
Is Horner (for example) capable of playing 2 chars at once?
Or is his DI simply a crutch to make up for his lack of playing ability?

 

[Void959]

I've never seen anyone who plays a DI bot effectively like a second player, and horner certainly doesn't. I don't see the appeal in DI bots in general, so much about soloing a caster involves running from zergs and FGs and kiting duos/trios, which is much harder with a bot stuck to the back of you. It would be possible with 2 machines side by side to play 2 accounts effectively I guess, but horner doesn't which is why he usually stays near zergs or towers anyway, like most DI users.

 

[Asha]

it's a crutch, ofc

but that doesn't make it any less stupid to try to solo him with a sb

the end.