Vanish

[Puppet]

Welcome back Puppet!

Im still playing WoW Im afraid

 

[Aqe]

As i quit daoc or atleast wont play stealther again i can say this
Vanish + FA is lovely. Vanish walk away and FA to full health then go back and pwn the guy, (sure with the CL heal is less effective as they heal up also a bit, but most likley less than you.)

 

[Sharkith]

You would rather take the certain death, /rel, rebuff, boat trip, back to where you were then?
Vanish 1 imo is worth 5 points, i wouldnt waste more on v2 though. For a lower rr assassin 5 points in vanish is a waste of valuable points but when you can spare them its a very useful tool even if its bugged.
sure if your hangin about bridges with you stealther buddies you'll never never need to vanish, but picture this,
Off you go on a solo trip somewhere, boat trip, stealthed walk to wherever, all the time it takes to camp a spot waiting for a target. It can take a long time, finally kill something only to be caught by another enemy when your on low health. So what do you do Sharkith, try fight your way out and die doing it? only to go through the whole scene again? Bitch about getting added on?. I'd hit vanish have a chance to escape go rest up, redoo poisens, and carry on the hunt.
Ever get bored while waiting for targets? go climb into a keep and see if you get lucky there, it can be a real adreniline rush to kill someone inside the keep, you'll get guard aggro prolly so you /vanish go sit up somewhere nice and high an watch the enemy flapping about for a few mins.
Then back you go to attempt another kill if vanish is down so what? you lived long enough and enjoyed it more imo. Next time you may die but at least you've lived the first time to tell a tale.
Ever stealthed through DF looking for targets and get uncovered by Cambions/shredders etc? if you get too much aggro then its /rel back and maybe cant enter Df again. /vanish, creep away live to carry on the hunt.

Thats my thoughts on it anyway. I view Vanish as a tool which Assassins use to do there job.
Kill and fade away into the crowd. Or attempt the kill, fail but live to try again.

I can assure you I regularly take certain death and spend the time when my toon is on a boat ride back off making coffee or fetching another beer.

Its for gimps. The only time I think its worth it is in keep sieges. Other than that its for gimps, gimps and pussies. I have seen gimps use it time and time against me and I am not even good with my class. So like I said gimps and pussies.

 

[Tuthmes]

Im still playing WoW Im afraid

No NO NOOOO!

 

[Lethul]

As i quit daoc or atleast wont play stealther again i can say this
Vanish + FA is lovely. Vanish walk away and FA to full health then go back and pwn the guy, (sure with the CL heal is less effective as they heal up also a bit, but most likley less than you.)

using timers like that on a stealther is considered lame for some reason

 

[Aerendur]

I agree, its bugged to bits, but it still has partial use atm. Yes when a caster has you on target, they still hit 90% of the times, even after vanish (got a whole load of screenshots where you get hit out of stealth right after casting vanish).

But in keeps, vs guards, it works really fine. Or when some group is inc from range and you just finished a fight.

Wether its worth the points remains to be seen, the RA should get fixed so you cant be hit after you vanish. But I still like it, thing the 5 points is worth the times it does work.

 

[MxN]

i love vanish, tho d3f1 keeps saying its for noobs

Nothing better then pwning some people a fg comes to add and vanish.. they run around for 10mins trying to pb pop u but your long gone resting watching xD

 

[xxManiacxx]

Im still playing WoW Im afraid

what server? alliance/horde?

Playing some horde on Outland myself

 

[Puppet]

what server? alliance/horde?

Playing some horde on Outland myself

Alliance on Dragonmaw, and ofcourse playing a druid

 

[Muylaetrix]

I've been hit by lifetaps after vanishing too, so it's just not bolts & arrows.

sometimes very hard to say what exactly hit you... lag probably pays a big role also. maybe you register as `vanished`, but not yet at the other players computer as he casts....

PS. Muylaetrix, give more afking in keep courtyards RR10+ wizzies give yummy RPs for a lowbie shade like me!

you`re welcome i guess it`s the best way to get back at me cause with that di3 spreadheal muppet that stalks me, a solo stealher`s chances are very bad at best to take me out when i pay attention

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Vanish is a v usefull RA ... but it needs some small changes for it to work correctly. Nukes/bolts/arrows landing after vanishing (cause they were thrown before) and bleeding proc of bows poping u out of stealth next tick(y..have had that on more than one occasions). Still ... even at less than 100% working state... its something nice to have when u can actually afford it.

 

[Oboy]

waste of points imo, its on a stupid timer (15min) and usually wont work so totally useless.

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

What Pet really means is that my ranger would hang around near a tower grouped with him, he would sneak up and kill some poor underpowered sorc like horner, and vanish to loose guard agro.

Being grouped with him the guards would then make a beeline for my stealthed ranger from miles away whilst I'm busy typing lol and /cheer and keeel me dead.

Isn't that right Pet

pretty much m8,aye

 

[xxManiacxx]

waste of points imo, its on a stupid timer (15min) and usually wont work so totally useless.

it works just fine if u know how and when to use it. Rarely failed with it

 

[Slitzzz]

what server? alliance/horde?

Playing some horde on Outland myself

Alliance on Dragonmaw, and ofcourse playing a druid

Less trolling around here then its still hard ...... COME BACK PLS!!!

 

[MaCaBr3]

Alot of people seem to forget what kind of an impact latency has in this game. I've heard of forced lag casting which I have no idea how it's done and I even wonder if you can do it and there's accidental lag casting which can happen to about anyone.

The netcode of this game is pretty akward at times. If you vanish but you find urself still getting nuked or stunned is that that caster has maybe lower latency as u and therefore the game responds quicker at his/her side or he/she was casting the spell a mili second before u pressed vanish.

Same for so called lag casting. I have killed numerous players who got lagged outside out of a keep or tower and it must suck at the receivers end, but seeing body floating in the air outside of a keep or tower is just "closest target + nuke".

 

[Ucallme]

Hey all, I would like all your (NS/SB/INF) opinions about the Vanish ability.

When your fighting a nice fight with an enemy as a shadowblade/nightshade/infiltrator and suddenly there is a FG of people wanting to add you, like Sick - Kinetic - Jordie - Lleana do, not to mention names ofc, you feel like pressing the Vanish RA. Now i've noticed that Vanish not always works as it should be as far as I know. With guards for instance I often get uncovered by guards even if I pressed Vanish.
Now when a wizzard called Kinetic for instance starts bolting at you and you vanish, the bolts still hits you.
My thoughs of <VANISH> is that when you press it (1 2 or 3) you can't get hit by magic, even if a player started casting a spell on you.

I'd like your expiriences with vanish ppl

Thx ahead

Sigi

I hate it when you are fighting a Bonedancer for example and your about to lose so you use Vanish, so I then find a spot quite a way from where i was fighting and started to rest for my HP to rise. 2 minutes later the PET of the Bonedancer I attacked found me and started to hit me.

OR

Something I encountered not long ago.

At Alb beno dock bridge I laid a Dot mine in the archway, I waited about 10 mins but found no enemies around, so I ended up going to the alb docks and as I was about to get a boat a Bonedancer went over my dot mine. As im thinking im pretty much quite far away from my dot mine nothing would happen. Before I knew it the Bonedancer Pet plus the FG that was following the BD pet started to attack me, ofc I killed the FG but thats not the point .

They should really fix this problem with any realm PETS.

Amphrax/Arauddry

 

[Nuxtobatns]

They should really fix this problem with any realm PETS.

when i told that some said that was whining...but its just plain wrong thinking for the pets to have perma SL on u... if thats the case...give 2 sec out of combat restealth...so that sprinting pet class inc from clip when he saw the fight wont get the chance to send pet (ofc that wont solve the littering problem ... )

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

aye gettin battered by a pet,30 seconds after you have stealthed and thought u were safe is kinda stupid imo

surely pets/guards should lose target when you stealth the same way players do

 

[Tuthmes]

I hate it when you are fighting a Bonedancer for example and your about to lose so you use Vanish, so I then find a spot quite a way from where i was fighting and started to rest for my HP to rise. 2 minutes later the PET of the Bonedancer I attacked found me and started to hit me.

OR

Something I encountered not long ago.

At Alb beno dock bridge I laid a Dot mine in the archway, I waited about 10 mins but found no enemies around, so I ended up going to the alb docks and as I was about to get a boat a Bonedancer went over my dot mine. As im thinking im pretty much quite far away from my dot mine nothing would happen. Before I knew it the Bonedancer Pet plus the FG that was following the BD pet started to attack me, ofc I killed the FG but thats not the point .

They should really fix this problem with any realm PETS.

Amphrax/Arauddry

Or when a Bard + Hewo is fighting a couple of albs near bridge, you try add, pa, but get fz'd + an Hewo on your ass. Ofc you came back 2 min l8r too add again.
Anyways as you said (and ill quote it again)

I hate it when you are fighting a Bonedancer for example and your about to lose so you use Vanish

Next time try to do it right in the first place so you don't loose, especially vs pet classes. And if you fail, there's no shame in die'ing. Vanish should be used when in a keep or if u get zerged, by what so ever. Not as an excuse to add, fail horribly, but theres always the option to hide again. Especially on a char that abused the old pa, vanish, (kiko!)pa all to often
Anyways as Mani put it

it works just fine if u know how and when to use it.

/rand off :|

 

[Belgorian]

Awful ability, get rid of it totally! Nothing worse for a visible than to get hit by a stealther, that then decides to disappear when he is losing.

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thoroughly nice chap!!

 

[Ucallme]

Or when a Bard + Hewo is fighting a couple of albs near bridge, you try add, pa, but get fz'd + an Hewo on your ass. Ofc you came back 2 min l8r too add again.
Anyways as you said (and ill quote it again)

Next time try to do it right in the first place so you don't loose, especially vs pet classes. And if you fail, there's no shame in die'ing. Vanish should be used when in a keep or if u get zerged, by what so ever. Not as an excuse to add, fail horribly, but theres always the option to hide again. Especially on a char that abused the old pa, vanish, (kiko!)pa all to often
Anyways as Mani put it


/rand off :|

Rofl like when you and a bard were fighting a solo player? I joined in to make the numbers up so i attacked the bard and in the end I ended up fighting against you both on my own.

I vanished and then returned.

So get the facts right before you flame me...

Amphrax/Arauddry

 

[bigchief]

Too bad its bugged to hell and 90% of the time you still get nuked 2+ times during the 'you cannot be detected'-fase. Oh and ofcourse the zombie-dot doesnt get removed by vanishing so you get repopped 2 seconds later.

I still have it, sometimes its great to deny those adding ***** their RP's. I wouldnt get it at 'low RR' tho.

met a rr2sb with vanish2 last night.

I had SL up, he vanishes and was 10 feet away before he reappears. Its like no rly, you wonder why you hit for 60 mainhand?

Of course I bet his excuse for that is the same as Dweras always was. Its a shadowblade ...


Anyway back on topic. Let me put my view into perspective for you. I have 90rsp (rr10). I can't afford to waste 5rsp on vanish. Pretty much sums it up for me. If I could take it, then yeah its a useless pile of fluff but its ok to have it. But for god sake, not over some of the better abilities that actually allow me to kill stuff.

And yes Mastade. 5 points put into a dmg ra do help more than running away every 15minutes. So what if you die to adds? I usually take the target with me too ...

 

[Tuthmes]

Rofl like when you and a bard were fighting a solo player? I joined in to make the numbers up so i attacked the bard and in the end I ended up fighting against you both on my own.

I vanished and then returned.

So get the facts right before you flame me...

Amphrax/Arauddry

Oi i whas the bard! People werent really solo there tbh oO (theur, cleric, tank, tank, infil). Anyways, not the point. You wanne play like that on a rr11, fair enough. Keep the vanish for those situations then.

 

[Gear]

Don't get vanish and you don't have any problems with it

 

[Bonehead]

I hate ppl with Vanish when i play my necro!

 

[illu]

Vanish is great when used in the right situations.
- If I'm having a 1on1, I will 99% of the time NOT use it because it is lame.
- It's nice to lose aggro when keep guards jump you for no reason (assassin guards through the walls of keeps etc)
- Don't have any kind of damage shield up, like shammy buff one, because if guards hit you and they get a dot on them and you vanish - you will pop out.
- It's buggy as hell and only really works when jumping off bridges. The rest of the time it's a 50/50 chance if a spell or arrow hits you.
- It's useful to rob incoming zergers.
- It gets you out of sticky situations like if you are mezzed running visible to docks and are about to get steamrolled :>

It can be countered by so many abilities, especially SL, I'm surprised people moan so much.
And my favourite is when a stealther vanishes against another stealther - free RP 95% of the time.

The changes that Mythic should do are either make us able to hit once popped out of vanish instead of 30 second disarm = free RP, or fix the sodding ability so that you are invincible in stealth and cannot take damage for 5 seconds, and keep the normal 30 second disarm.

And of course, the classic PA someone resting in a group with AE Mezz, then peg it and vanish - that is also good fun - but you can't do it too often or welcome to steamroll city :>

Oli - Illu

 

[Bonehead]

When i played my 2H shadowblade it was nice to 1 shot casters in hib groups (nerf albions spec shield) when their group was on the move, and then vanish to get away ... <3

 

[Sharkith]

Vanish is for pussys.

 

[Vladamir]

And of course, the classic PA someone resting in a group with AE Mezz, then peg it and vanish - that is also good fun - but you can't do it too often or welcome to steamroll city :>

Oli - Illu

So once every 15 minutes you can save ~2/3 minutes rebuffing at the expense of a more useful RA?