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The ones behind him are party loyalists, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're paid to stand there looking gormless.

It's like a Reform "press conference" - nearly all the audience for those, barring the legit media presence, is Reform party members who aren't afraid to jeer at questions they don't like.
He even had to comment on one of the rabid/gormless who wore some weird designed suit (don't ask cannot remember) and they all went mad like he was speaking words that would grant immortality, untold riches and be the envy of the world all for pointing out some twat in the audience.
 

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I agree all it does is force folks outside the EU to innovate to compete and keeps stale companies rolling

Look at what’s happening in AI, denied access to powerful hardware the new open weight models are racing ahead from China
 

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Made in Europe?


Sounds like a regionally protectionist agenda similar to the American agenda.

Mechanism is different, but intended outcomes are similar.

And...? The EU has always been protectionist, look at the CAP for the best evidence of that, and frankly the EU needs to develop domestic industries that are sorely lacking (mainly in tech). The trick is to be targeted about it though, as this is, because it's aimed at public-sector procurement, not Trump-style blunt instruments.
 

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And...? The EU has always been protectionist, look at the CAP for the best evidence of that, and frankly the EU needs to develop domestic industries that are sorely lacking (mainly in tech). The trick is to be targeted about it though, as this is, because it's aimed at public-sector procurement, not Trump-style blunt instruments.

Yep. Don't disagree (to a point).

It's also got the benefit of being more democratically accountable, rather than unilateral tariff kyboshing.

However, the EU's approach comes with massive regulatory burden and overhead - which makes me wonder, is that part of the reason America remains way more competitive?

Regulatory burden.

It's a PITA, both in terms of cost but also intellectual time and work to ensure regulations are complied with. Then there's audit overheads, constant management scrambling etc etc. It'll require enitre supply chain reorganisation. It's a fucking nightmare, frankly. A real burden.

America has gone "this is more expensive". Which, whilst a cost issue is really simple to work with - a % change on a spreadsheet requiring a build or buy decision (which get made anyway). It doesn't require reams of people to deal with - any business fallout gets dealt with in your existing processes.

Gross simplification. But I think it's fair.
 

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Yep. Don't disagree (to a point).

It's also got the benefit of being more democratically accountable, rather than unilateral tariff kyboshing.

However, the EU's approach comes with massive regulatory burden and overhead - which makes me wonder, is that part of the reason America remains way more competitive?

Regulatory burden.

It's a PITA, both in terms of cost but also intellectual time and work to ensure regulations are complied with. Then there's audit overheads, constant management scrambling etc etc. It'll require enitre supply chain reorganisation. It's a fucking nightmare, frankly. A real burden.

America has gone "this is more expensive". Which, whilst a cost issue is really simple to work with - a % change on a spreadsheet requiring a build or buy decision (which get made anyway). It doesn't require reams of people to deal with - any business fallout gets dealt with in your existing processes.

Gross simplification. But I think it's fair.
The US has exactly the same restrictions on "buying foreign" for large parts of it's public sector, especially defence. The workaround is foreign manufacturers set up in the US or have a US partner as lead contractor. This has been a thing for decades.

Also "regulatory burden" has a corollary, cross-border simplification. Look at what happened post-Brexit when the UK decided to bin EU regulation and replace everything; it all fell apart pretty quickly, and smaller countries (which includes the UK) are better off inside a framework that's shared than going it alone and still having to engage with external frameworks anyway. Unless you're of the extreme libertarian zero-regulation bent (in which case, please don't set up your business anywhere near me) then you're always going to have to live with regulation anyway, better to turn it into an advantage.
 

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Totally agree in the brexit-style points, but you're sidestepping a bit here

The debate isn't whether rules should exist, but the burden they place - and the EU has acknowledged the competetive drag their regulatory regime has.

US regulatory environment generally operates on a post-market enforcement or risk-tolerant model, allowing rapid scaling and technological deployment. The EU model heavily emphasizes pre-market precaution and multi-layered compliance reporting.

It's not the only reason the US is more competetive/has better standards of living - they have structural advantages. But it's some of it.

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Regardless, my original point was comparative around equivalence - not a moral judgement of which is better :)
 

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Someday soon, hopefully, a mortician will be stitching his eyelids shut.
 

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Well that's backfired on Trump in a spectacular fashion

"All major TV networks END Trump on-camera coverage as bitter battle over media ban explodes"

"Fox News, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC, collectively known as the TV pool, are protesting the White House and have decided to not dispatch cameramen or reporters to cover the president on Monday."

"This means that Trump's trip to New York for the United Nations General Assembly meeting on Monday will go unaired on the major networks. "

When even Fox News who are usually sucking on Trumps mushroom knob are standing with CNN etc you know you've fucked up.
 

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Well that's backfired on Trump in a spectacular fashion

"All major TV networks END Trump on-camera coverage as bitter battle over media ban explodes"

"Fox News, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC, collectively known as the TV pool, are protesting the White House and have decided to not dispatch cameramen or reporters to cover the president on Monday."

"This means that Trump's trip to New York for the United Nations General Assembly meeting on Monday will go unaired on the major networks. "

When even Fox News who are usually sucking on Trumps mushroom knob are standing with CNN etc you know you've fucked up.

Nah, not really.

Trump has gone to nuts for even Fox News, there's plenty of loyal 'platforms' still.
 

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Nah, not really.

Trump has gone to nuts for even Fox News, there's plenty of loyal 'platforms' still.

Yes but for a man driven by pure ego it will be crushing, they'll be living rent free in his head for the next week or so.
 

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Nah, not really.

Trump has gone to nuts for even Fox News, there's plenty of loyal 'platforms' still.
Yup, but fringe weirdos will always be fringe weirdos, he needs Fox to spread his bollocks to the family home.
 

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Yes but for a man driven by pure ego it will be crushing, they'll be living rent free in his head for the next week or so.
Will he even know if none of his cronies tell him? He barely seems to know where he is half the time
 

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So, in a truly remarkable turn of events, Trump has finally secured a deal on Greenland.

Unfortunately, it appears to be a deal where he doesn't get Greenland.

In fact, the Americans haven't even acquired any new sovereignty whatsoever. They've simply agreed to expand the military arrangements they already had with Denmark since 1951.

Which is fairly impressive when you consider that the whole thing started with Trump threatening to take the fucking place.

And it gets better.

Despite all the previous bravado about NATO being a terrible deal and America potentially leaving the organisation, the new agreement rather conveniently doubles down on the NATO framework and even contains provisions dealing with Greenland remaining in NATO if it eventually becomes independent.

So after all that, America has apparently managed to achieve the diplomatic equivalent of going into a shop, threatening to buy the entire building, and coming out with a slightly larger loyalty card.

Absolutely magnificent.

Greenland remains Danish.

America remains in NATO.

The 1951 agreement remains the basis for the whole thing.

And Trump gets to announce that he's won.

Everyone's happy.

Except, presumably, the people who were expecting him to actually get Greenland.
 

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And the Greenland independence folks who now realise that going it alone probably means being swallowed by the USA
 

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So, £2/litre for diesel. France is effectively (although not officially) rationing fuel.

Iran's shut the Hormuz straight and effectively shut the red sea outlets.

What's the next move?
 

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So, £2/litre for diesel. France is effectively (although not officially) rationing fuel.

Iran's shut the Hormuz straight and effectively shut the red sea outlets.

What's the next move?
Dickheads could stop driving their fat little children to school, that would be a start.
 

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So, £2/litre for diesel. France is effectively (although not officially) rationing fuel.

Iran's shut the Hormuz straight and effectively shut the red sea outlets.

What's the next move?

Yup, Iran said they will not open the strait again until Trump and Netanyahu are no longer in power.
 

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So, £2/litre for diesel. France is effectively (although not officially) rationing fuel.

Iran's shut the Hormuz straight and effectively shut the red sea outlets.

What's the next move?
The news that France is "effectively rationing fuel" is news to me but I only live here, what would I know?

Diesel is the most expensive I've ever seen it and the gov are offering support to people who rely on fuel for their jobs and those on low incomes. Total stations have been running out but they cap the price of diesel at €2.25 - if it's 15-20c cheaper there than anywhere else, of course that's going to happen. Total, in a shocking coincidence, make up over 95% of the "14% of French petrol stations with shortages" the media screams about.

Anyway, it's all thanks to your favourite president. If only he wasn't so brash, eh?
 

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The news that France is "effectively rationing fuel" is news to me but I only live here, what would I know?
Yeah, it's not an official "ration" - but about 15% of your stations are out of one type of fuel so it's getting rotated. I called bullshit when someone told me the same this morning (because I talk to French colleagues every day) but digging a little deeper your gov has introduced some emergency measures, apparently - including the sale of summer diesel (whatever that is?) and the handouts...

Kind of a rationing by scarcity. Apparently Blighty are prepping a rationing plan, but we've got better stock or sources.

Anyway, it's all thanks to your favourite president. If only he wasn't so brash, eh?
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Yeah, it's not an official "ration" - but about 15% of your stations are out of one type of fuel so it's getting rotated. I called bullshit when someone told me the same this morning (because I talk to French colleagues every day) but digging a little deeper your gov has introduced some emergency measures, apparently - including the sale of summer diesel (whatever that is?) and the handouts...

Kind of a rationing by scarcity. Apparently Blighty are prepping a rationing plan, but we've got better stock or sources.


:)
Summer(-blend) diesel is less cold-resistant; they all sell it anyway in the warmer months. All that's happened is the deadline for when they have to stop selling it has been put back by 2 weeks. And again, the stations with shortages are 5-10% cheaper than everywhere else because they refuse to go above certain prices so of course everyone is going to them first.
 

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