TT valk vid - avalon

[raid]

Ever tried to kill a Paladin or Warden in mellee after the shield patch? Or a buffed ML9 Pet? Ever ran in to a group with 2 BGers, who know their job?

If full mellee groups are so easy to play, why are we the only one running?

I don't know which patch you refer to, but yep I've tried to kill paladins, wardens and ML9 pets a few times... But really good BGers are so rare (with all respect ofc) that I've never seen two of them in one grp.

I'm not saying its easy to WIN with full melee grp, or that its best/insta win anyway... especially not a mid grp. Actually my personal opinion is that a meleesetup is crap Like Swords said, bof can easily kill the dps for a long time etc. But it's still very "straightforward" to play because its a kind of one trick pony.

And last time I played on avalon regularly, a meleegrp (with maybe 1 caster) was probably the most common groupsetup to meet...

 

[Zagg]

...If anyone wants to fight us, we still run monday and thursday evenings ...

No wonder you are always late It's Tuesdays and Thursdays !!11

 

[Rigga Mortice]

Thanks for the fights. If anyone wants to fight us, we still run monday and thursday evenings Am gonna hover my finger over that record button from now on.

Tuesdays and Thursdays! We've only been Mondays last few weeks because Sollski needs the ML raids still

And the bits of the vid which took the longest haven't even been commented on yet! pfft

I liked the intros, who was that dashingly-handsome-if-oversized zerk twoll? He is der sex on der big stick

 

[raid]

I do wonder if people would ever be happy with a groups setup. Some whined at our alb setup, now people complain as such when we try a setup different to anybodyelses, heh.

Full tank groups (as shown only in the last 2 fights) are only easy if the enemy has no pets and/or no BGer. Playing against certain groups with 2BGers, cabby pet, sorc pet and therg pets make life a little more difficult.

Ah well think you lot misunderstood my comment... or I expressed it badly. Personally I never whined about kite or any other setup, and my purpose was not to say anything like "lol easymodesetup" - I think variety is only a good thing. Meleegrp is definitely not an easy instawin setup (neither is kitegrp, just running backwards wont give you rps), BUT I still don't think that meleegrp is much more complicated/harder to play than a kitegrp.

Then again my meleegrp experience is from old.midgard, but I thought the principle would still be similiar

 

[Vodkafairy]

decent vid

i don't really understand your weapon setup though. im pretty sure 2h > 1h for dps even if the proc doesn't land as often, especially if celerity is up (but you didnt swap weapon)

prolly more effective to get battler in 2h and champ or croctooth in 1h, or skip battler completely in this patch

anyhoo, music was ok, fights average, playstyle average, cool setup though find some tricks to make you hit record on inc as habit and record for a longer period of time to get some really cool fights

 

[swords]

Seen it now, not best fights we've had so far but nm. Theres always next time
Btw... KEYBOARD TURNING

As for setups, seems to be more varied and viable setups these past few patches and everything appears to be a bit more 'balanced'. I remember in OF days the setups that worked tended to be static but with the NF RAs and class adjustments, more variety can be seen in the FG zones. I've personally played cleric in a full caster group (kite and win, pish) hybrid (pushing, standing and kiting depending on setup which was interesting but more challenging to call for) and I even played with a tank heavy alb group which was fun at the time. Never been in a 5 tank group before though and its a pain in the ass not having caster dmg sometimes (pets!) but it sure is one of the most fun and interesting setups i've played in and hope to refine it and maybe try and show variety in fights even with those big tanks running about against varied enemy setups.

 

[kirennia]

Btw... KEYBOARD TURNING

Pfft, I do a mix of them both I also occasionally click items in the quickbar too. A lot easier to do a mix when playing a tank I've found

 

[Coldbeard]

Was okay, was expecting more fights vs rerolled grps etc, as someone else pointed out!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I am glad there were little rerolled group fights.

Imagine all the epeen wars in here.

 

[Coldbeard]

I am glad there were little rerolled group fights.

Imagine all the epeen wars in here.

Better than epeen battles involving AE, Link Dead or some of the other remaining cluster scum.

(not like you would miss out the opportunity to spout your bullshit in any scenario)

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Better than epeen battles involving AE, Link Dead or some of the other remaining cluster scum.

(not like you would miss out the opportunity to spout your bullshit in any scenario)

Haha, thank you for proving my point. Also quite funny, Zags, member of TT (the Paccie leading) is GM and founder of Link Dead and still has plenty of chars in LD and plays from time to time on Dyvet.

I guess according to you, you can be a leet person for playing on Limors and at the same time scum for playing at Dyvet.

What a fantastic idiot you are.

 

[Vodkafairy]

do you ever stfu, manisch?

 

[Coldbeard]

Haha, thank you for proving my point. Also quite funny, Zags, member of TT (the Paccie leading) is GM and founder of Link Dead and still has plenty of chars in LD and plays from time to time on Dyvet.

I guess according to you, you can be a leet person for playing on Limors and at the same time scum for playing at Dyvet.

What a fantastic idiot you are.

I'll just quietly ignore the fact that your post bears no relevance at all and advice you to use all the creativity you spend on these FH fictional stories somewhere else. Doubtfully that will happen, as you seem to get an orgasm everytime you try wind things up here.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I'll just quietly ignore the fact that your post bears no relevance at all and advice you to use all the creativity you spend on these FH fictional stories somewhere else. Doubtfully that will happen, as you seem to get an orgasm everytime you try wind things up here.

You might want to read up my first reply to this thread, it was on topic.

I also replied to your post where you wished some more fights with rerolled groups were in the movie. I had a different view on this and stated it.

You started to flame me and the odd 600 players on Dyvet ("scum").

Anything I am missing?

 

[Toggers]

I'll just quietly ignore the fact that your post bears no relevance at all and advice you to use all the creativity you spend on these FH fictional stories somewhere else. Doubtfully that will happen, as you seem to get an orgasm everytime you try wind things up here.

oh the irony I think anyone whos ever read your posts can take the point without me having to say anything.

referring to your earlier post which bore no relevenace either, why refer to people remaining on the cluster as scum? and which epeen battles have Link Dead been involved in?

edit: sorry kir

 

[Coldbeard]

Yawn! If there was any hope of getting through to you Manisch, I would perhaps write something more complex, but I know whatever I write, it's gonna get a reply with a pile of wordtwisting, call for hypocrisy and the usual blabla-repetoar you flash around with. Think I'll just leave it with this and save everyone from your dramatic posts.

@ Toggers, no idea whom you are or why you think I'd spend my time on you, but I think it's a sound guess to assume you're a player with a history of zerging and notorious adding, which now has risen to become one of the "decent and respectful fg players" on uk cluster. I don't think I am the only one that find this turn of the table amusing.

Oh well, moving on!

 

[Succi]

Manisch's fh title makes me smile

 

[Zagg]

Haha, now the old dish is going to be warmed and served again.... I am fed up with it, but you guys obviously never grow tired and keep swallowing all that predigested crap over and over...

 

[Golena]

I liked the intros, who was that dashingly-handsome-if-oversized zerk twoll? He is der sex on der big stick

Well maybe he could stop hitting stuff with tat big stick thingy and turn his hand to something more useful, like putting some thread in bits of leather eh??



Downloading cos I want to see how many times the big twoll forgets to sprint when chasing kiting targets like in the good ol days!

 

[Toggers]

@ Toggers, no idea whom you are or why you think I'd spend my time on you, but I think it's a sound guess to assume you're a player with a history of zerging and notorious adding, which now has risen to become one of the "decent and respectful fg players" on uk cluster. I don't think I am the only one that find this turn of the table amusing.

Oh well, moving on!

no but youre happy to sterotype me, my guild and the remaining players on the cluster without knowing a damn thing! very poorly informed and whilst were on the subject i dont know you either, so we can just take opinions of each other based on current posts........

so yes please move on......and keep going tyvm

 

[noaim]

no but youre happy to sterotype me, my guild and the remaining players on the cluster without knowing a damn thing! very poorly informed and whilst were on the subject i dont know you either, so we can just take opinions of each other based on current posts........

so yes please move on......and keep going tyvm

Wtf is it that he doesnt know that he needs to know? He knows that u zerged until the competition died and as soon as that happened u and many others all of a sudden wanted fg fights. Thats what he flamed u for, thats what he knows.

 

[Toggers]

Wtf is it that he doesnt know that he needs to know? He knows that u zerged until the competition died and as soon as that happened u and many others all of a sudden wanted fg fights. Thats what he flamed u for, thats what he knows.

he knows that i used to zerg? on what basis? just random bullshit flamebait or based on experience? hes already said he didnt know me and assumed it so your point is? ahh I see you havent got one, another silly post sterotyping everyone left on the cluster.......I feel my iq has dropped for even replying to it if you feel the need to yell zerger or cry about something else then ffs pm me, stop repeating the same old shit in a thread that has nothing to do with the topic.

once again sry kir

 

[liloe]

Can we please stop the endless war? =)) :wub:

I downloaded the video and had to leave the house...now I'm stuck at university till friday night without the vid and without a player that works on my Linux machine nerf

 

[noaim]

he knows that i used to zerg? on what basis? just random bullshit flamebait or based on experience? hes already said he didnt know me and assumed it so your point is? ahh I see you havent got one, another silly post sterotyping everyone left on the cluster.......I feel my iq has dropped for even replying to it if you feel the need to yell zerger or cry about something else then ffs pm me, stop repeating the same old shit in a thread that has nothing to do with the topic.

once again sry kir

The thing is that if u had been doing fg rvr he would have known u. Cant keep track of everyone in the casterzerg, but its not that hard to keep track of the people that run in fg for fg rvr.

 

[aika]

The thing is that if u had been doing fg rvr he would have known u. Cant keep track of everyone in the casterzerg, but its not that hard to keep track of the people that run in fg for fg rvr.

So only the ones that run in fg rvr are not zergers? What about ppl that play stealth classes? Or solo on visibles?

 

[Coldbeard]

he knows that i used to zerg? on what basis? just random bullshit flamebait or based on experience? hes already said he didnt know me and assumed it so your point is? ahh I see you havent got one, another silly post sterotyping everyone left on the cluster.......I feel my iq has dropped for even replying to it if you feel the need to yell zerger or cry about something else then ffs pm me, stop repeating the same old shit in a thread that has nothing to do with the topic.

once again sry kir

Given you are in guild with Manisch and various other infamous people, thats a fairly good pointer.

 

[Toggers]

edit: deleted my entire post wasnt on topic and it will keep going otherwise.

i said pm.......or dont quote me.

 

[kirennia]

Ah well think you lot misunderstood my comment... or I expressed it badly. Personally I never whined about kite or any other setup, and my purpose was not to say anything like "lol easymodesetup" - I think variety is only a good thing. Meleegrp is definitely not an easy instawin setup (neither is kitegrp, just running backwards wont give you rps), BUT I still don't think that meleegrp is much more complicated/harder to play than a kitegrp.

Then again my meleegrp experience is from old.midgard, but I thought the principle would still be similiar

Didnt mean to sound harsh or like it was directed at you The thing is, we've already done the whole full hybrid group, full caster setups are boring and liable to lead to kiting again so we decided to go for something different and to a degree, unexpected I guess.

The original toss up was between laruthia playing a SM or a zerk but we decided to go for zerk as having 2 casters would lead us all to the same playstyle we had before pretty much. With Arethir leaving and carly having levelled a mauler some, we thought it'd be a viable swap. We've only run 3 nights with Sollski if I remember right as it was kind of a trial thing.

He's still ML2 but I'm still suprised at how well it's worked. Having not a single caster, we can't afford to just push push push as any moccing therg, ML9 pet or such would screw over our support; everyone has the role of basically looking out for each other as well as being a general pain in the arse as much as possible.

I see your point about a 2 caster group potentially being more varied/viable. Really though, when we swapped out Bram on the RM, his and carlys roles changed and the rest of our role duties increased; leading me away from thinking it's easier this way.

i don't really understand your weapon setup though. im pretty sure 2h > 1h for dps even if the proc doesn't land as often, especially if celerity is up (but you didnt swap weapon)

prolly more effective to get battler in 2h and champ or croctooth in 1h, or skip battler completely in this patch

It's all down to a preference. My template isn't what I'd like it to be and with the next patch, we'll all be redoing them to change our style of play a little. Putting battler in the 2hand slot means i'd have a very slow 2hander whereas having champ there instead, if I go 2hand, it'll be faster (think it was 5.0 compared to 5.4 but I could be wrong).

Out of celerity (which I often am), 1hand and 2hand weapons deal roughly the same amount of damage due to the speed not effecting the proc. It's negotiable which one is better over time. I also then don't have to worry about swaps just to do the odd 'nadel' or 'wuchtschlag' each time

Croc tooth I think is going to be the weapon of choice for next patch though, meaning that I'll have to swap into 2hand mode for damage dealing bursts due to CT only being 15.6dps(I think).



Also cheers Toggers for trying to end it now, rep etc Not gonna get into whos right or wrong on the argument, all I have to say is does it really matter so long as you're having fun on whatever server you're on? There are 101 threads about this every month anyway, heh...

 

[Lethul]

he knows that i used to zerg?

[Avalon] Toggers <GoL>: L42 Druid, Celt Savant - RR1L1, RPs: 12 (0 LWRP), required for RR1L2: 25 (13 to go), required for RR2L0: 7,125 (7,113 to go), Server Rank: 24,899 (4,917 last week rp), Class Rank: 965 (257 last week rp)

Now ofc that doesn't make it 100% that you are an old GoL player but that makes his point valid!

 

[Zagg]

Hey guys... can we just leave Toggy alone. He is a nice guy IRL

In fact, he really is one of the nicest people you can imagine. The kind of guy that will put others before himself, whenever he can. The kind of guy that is stupid enough to give away really valuable drops to guildmates, instead of selling them for his own gain - and never get anything in return ofc!

He surely is no zerger! He couldn't possibly be one, because he has too much a respect for everyone out there, enemies as well as realmmates. More respect, than I ever will ever have for you scum and certainly more than you deserve.

Not everyone, who doesn't play in the fg scene, is a zerger and not everyone feels the need to post here, to be known. Some just have enough of an ego, without the need of boosting it on the internet.