TOA and L33t!sts killed DAOC

[Clipse]

it seems.

1. Before TOA, casual gamers were able to compete. The commitment to get 7/8 artifacts and level them to lvl 10 makes u depend on other people. For the casual gamer, who can't log in everyday at the same time, means alot off begging, basically. The whole task is very daunting. It's not like when DAOC first came out, and u could solo to 50 if u wanted then go RvR.

2. Leeters obsessed with Fg v Fg fighting, and absolute optimum group setups, have made RvR impractical. Whole guilds have completely shun RvR, because going to emain (or HW/Odins for u pedantic flamers). People get fedup of losing absolutely every fight they enter.

What this means is ATK is basically empty. The only people RvRing is BF/FC tank group and our mage group. People that don't enter these 2 groups are left at ATK stranded without a group for hours on end. They can't leave ATK without being slaughtered.

An example of the detrimental effect is, 5/6 clerics in GOL fighting for 2 spots in our group, leave 4 very unhappy clerics, wizards sit at atk coz they can't join us, and the options to join other groups just aren't there any more, so they get fed-up, and we get the blame.

I believe the only reason our group is the regular group out is coz I game with my bro Outlaw, so it easy for us to make groups since we r half a group already, otherwise I prolly woulda been bored of DAOC a long time ago.

Maybe 9-10 months post TOA RvR will have a lot of the next generation peeps who finish their new chars, like when DAOC first came out. By wich time a new expansion will be released NF, changing the style of the game completely. I know new expansions are needed to keep people interested, but TOA was not good.

Its not a problem for me, but it seems for the majority these are huge problems. Basically fanatical leetists and TOA have killed RvR.

 

[Loxleyhood]

'L22t!sts' aren't that devoted to fg v fg RvR, they're more than happy to take time out of their busy schedule the zerg the hard working soloer.

 

[Phule_Gubben]

what else is new?

This game offers many different aspects to what u want to do, it's not all about rvr, in the end the game will become what u make out of it. So I don't see the problem?

just my opinion thou.

 

[Clipse]

If people could refrain from using teh word "zerg" in this thread, for once in your stinking lives it would great.

 

[herberts]

if u feal so sad go and zerg some artifacts for them, when u say the casual gamer u mean ppl quit so ur zerg is small

 

[[NO]Subedai]

its not like other people cant make grps, but i know that alot of people who are 'l33tists' wont grp with them cuz the grps will suck and be generally frustrating.

 

[Clipse]

I don't feel sad lol. couldn't give a baboon's shiny orange ass tbh.

Yer I know peeps can make groups, but they have 0 chance. The challenge in Alb is to be able to kill Midds/Hibbs (who have more abilities), but if they have to make comprimised group set-ups, it makes the challenge 10 fold harder.

 

[Blitzing]

i can only agree, its not so much the RvR i dont like, but its more the thing, that you are allmost forced to get about 4-6 artis for every char you have, to get them uber SC outfit, so they can actually compete in rvr, and most of them are pretty hard to get, and gets camped alot and farmed. so either you sit back and w8 for hours and hours and maybe be lucky your arti pops, and hope there are people enough to help, or you join the farmers to get encounters and pay exstreme amounts of cash for the artis and scrolls. i must say, before ToA i played my SB alot, but after ToA i hardly ever play him, cause i know he have to get alot of artis, so i play my RM who can handle rvr a bit better with out alot of artis. its like mythic thought, so now there is alot of people with lots of lvl 50, so now we make expansion that forces them to go and lvl their chars again (through artis and ML) it kinda sucks, coulden they just have put in lots of new items, they maybe didn need the lvling, or make them require alot less xp and make them spawn much faster and scrolls drop atleast abit more often, so you dont think, yes now i finaly got the 20p for my arti, now i just need the 3 silly scrolls, cant be much, but w8 yes it is, lets pay 40p for them to but hey just my opinion, feel free to flame me

 

[Clipse]

Lets take Jacina Sash for example. Its a challenge to get the Art, then 3 scrolls, then the ridiculous time to Exp it to lvl 10. Then u need Erinys, pain to get, especially for the casual, who doesn't really have a strong network. Lets look at Mad3, 10 plats for a scroll, I mean jeezus. Im not even gonna mention Cloudsong, 10 times I killed Eramai, and still dont have the damn art... why Mythic think sitting infront of a spawn for 2 hours was gonna be fun, I don't know....

 

[Frostor]

wizards sit at atk coz they can't join us, and the options to join other groups just aren't there any more, so they get fed-up, and we get the blame.

u might try and inviting wiz guildies before other wizards
but then again u 2 never liked the guldiewiz where im talking about so u must feel great now that he left

im quite sure u saw my msg in /gu yesterday , if u actually readed it u would know how me and the iorlas feel

 

[Jox]

To reroll;

To get to 50; 20%(at least in Mid with Moderna)

ML's; 30%

Artifacts; 50%

zZz

 

[etcetra]

GoV camping is fun.

 

[Tharion]

Lets take Jacina Sash for example. Its a challenge to get the Art, then 3 scrolls, then the ridiculous time to Exp it to lvl 10. Then u need Erinys, pain to get, especially for the casual, who doesn't really have a strong network. Lets look at Mad3, 10 plats for a scroll, I mean jeezus. Im not even gonna mention Cloudsong, 10 times I killed Eramai, and still dont have the damn art... why Mythic think sitting infront of a spawn for 2 hours was gonna be fun, I don't know....

This is because Mythic wants to compete with EverQuest, plain and simple.

 

[Calo]

I agree with zoyster..

Toa fucked up the game for casual players...

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

 

[Loxleyhood]

I'd like to meet one of these casual gamers. They sound like balanced fellows.

 

[Tootz]

Agree 100% Zoyster. Casual gamers have been in an uphill struggle in this game ever since RA's were introduced. At first it seemed like a nice idea, and I agree there should be some reward system for RvR, but it has basically meant that those who play the game 24/7 and gain RR quicker, then have a huge advantage over those who play a few nights a week.

After that we've had the whole BuffBot phenomenon, which again has made it even harder for a casual player to compete as there is a huge difference between a fully buffed player, and one with no buffs.

Next came the FOTM RvR group - basically, if you were not one of these classes, you hardly ever got a look in and ended up in a gimped pick-up group; or soloing. Either way, you were guarenteed to die to the first enemies you came across.

Lastly, you've got the introduction of ToA, which has basically killed any chance a casual player might have of competing in RvR. Unless you've got all your ML's done, 4 or 5 key arifacts and items leveled, then you haven't got a hope in hell of beating a similar sized force, who are fully ToAed up.

On top of all that, for the past year we've had an increasing number of "l337 CouterStrike Kids" taking over the game and these are forcing more mature, or casual, players out of the game because they can't stand to be around idiots like this. This then makes it even harder for players outside of the IRC l337 world to get groups in PvE and RvR, which then forces even more people out of the game.

 

[Clipse]

RA's aren't bad, they r a good reward, and alot of RA's are overrated anyways.

Buffbotts, aren't a huge problem, because aslong as you have 1 in the group, u can compete.

IRC 1337 are the biggest pain in the ass ever.

ML's can be fun, artifacts tho, a joke !

 

[Sharpo]

What this means is ATK is basically empty. The only people RvRing is BF/FC tank group and our mage group. People that don't enter these 2 groups are left at ATK stranded without a group for hours on end. They can't leave ATK without being slaughtered.

An example of the detrimental effect is, 5/6 clerics in GOL fighting for 2 spots in our group, leave 4 very unhappy clerics, wizards sit at atk coz they can't join us, and the options to join other groups just aren't there any more, so they get fed-up, and we get the blame.

So you got 4clerics and a couple of wizzies sitting at atk, why cant they start their own grp t,t

 

[Clipse]

a group with 4 clerics and 1 wizard, will get farmed lol.

 

[AngelHeal]

Well, I agree with you Zoyster but there's a big difference with Alb excalibur and other servers.

1) On other servers there are arti groups, that have a random setup

due 1 scream on alliance: Can anybody help me with this arti?
and u got 1fg in 15 min helping you.
Or u say: Im starting arti group! u got allot of people joining you and then u go for >1arti< each person
And when done u can do again.
(well on prydwen hib that is)

You don't see this very often on albion excalibur.

2) Alb exca is very selfish, on exception from some no one will jsut go port to ToA and help a guy out with a artifact. Because he wont get any better on it himself. It's true, dont go denie this with some fancy words!

3) When in RvR, you need to be OPTIMAL, on other servers are only GG's optimal and normal fg's have some " L337 " skill's but arent "nolby pride" like.

On other servers High RR people aren't scared to group with a rr2 chanter / druid orsomething like that!
On excalibur albion you will not see any high realm rank people in a low rr group. And there won't be any rr4- people in a high rr group!

High realm rank people rather duo then be in a low rr fg!

On other servers people don't care what rr they group with, this way you get faster fg vs fg experience and are there less nuubs in rvr from your realm!

An option for this is: Roll a stealther, get BoS, GoV, SoM,some lgn weapons, and ur ready to go!

 

[Eleasias]

Wow, what a bunch of retards. Still havent figured out the whole concept of MMORPGs in general is to make the player waste as much time as possible, on shit that you wont need with next patch, so the makers can get more money? The game hasnt been fun in 1½ years, I still kept playing for some time not that seriously, only logging in a few times a week when someone got me from IRC, thinking "hey, atleast I can still RvR". But then it suddenly struck me, RvR wasnt fun, it was boring like hell, same thing everynight, even the best groups were boring, no thrill in killing high RR groups or wiping 5 fg's at the same time, even higher rr zergs. So I quit completely, and everyone who doesnt quit, is a fucking retard. I know most of you dont even enjoy the game, you just whine but are too addicted and pussyass to actually quit

(triggered by Zoyster's wondering why Mythic thinks people wasting time on the game is fun, for them anyway)

 

[Blitzing]

yea the only uber group is fg RM that just rock. i surely hope they dont just put in a bunch of new artis when catacombs come, but atleast they will put in some new classes, that will be good, just hope they dont start out to overpowered

 

[Aada]

the game stopped being fun after SI was introduced i mean there was a time when u could go emain before SI in a gimped rvr suit and still have a decent amount of rvr fun.

 

[Clipse]

I know most of you dont even enjoy the game, you just whine but are too addicted and pussyass to actually quit

I have loads of fun playing, Im not whining for myself. I'm whining on behalf of an empty ATK. Before I played DAOC, I used to Play Counter-Strike And Ages Of Empires like a Fanatic If Im bored I will log off, or try and organise something which is fun. But its easy for me, coz I have lots of "in-game" friends and game with my bro.

I think what is happening, is new players are being introduced to DAOC with each expansion, thats why I say, by the time NF hits Europe, 50% of Excal may be new people.

 

[Ulrych]

it seems.

1. Before TOA, casual gamers were able to compete. The commitment to get 7/8 artifacts and level them to lvl 10 makes u depend on other people. For the casual gamer, who can't log in everyday at the same time, means alot off begging, basically. The whole task is very daunting. It's not like when DAOC first came out, and u could solo to 50 if u wanted then go RvR.

2. Leeters obsessed with Fg v Fg fighting, and absolute optimum group setups, have made RvR impractical. Whole guilds have completely shun RvR, because going to emain (or HW/Odins for u pedantic flamers). People get fedup of losing absolutely every fight they enter.

What this means is ATK is basically empty. The only people RvRing is BF/FC tank group and our mage group. People that don't enter these 2 groups are left at ATK stranded without a group for hours on end. They can't leave ATK without being slaughtered.

An example of the detrimental effect is, 5/6 clerics in GOL fighting for 2 spots in our group, leave 4 very unhappy clerics, wizards sit at atk coz they can't join us, and the options to join other groups just aren't there any more, so they get fed-up, and we get the blame.

I believe the only reason our group is the regular group out is coz I game with my bro Outlaw, so it easy for us to make groups since we r half a group already, otherwise I prolly woulda been bored of DAOC a long time ago.

Maybe 9-10 months post TOA RvR will have a lot of the next generation peeps who finish their new chars, like when DAOC first came out. By wich time a new expansion will be released NF, changing the style of the game completely. I know new expansions are needed to keep people interested, but TOA was not good.

Its not a problem for me, but it seems for the majority these are huge problems. Basically fanatical leetists and TOA have killed RvR.

The Peoples Champ!

 

[Sharpo]

a group with 4 clerics and 1 wizard, will get farmed lol.

alb logic, what i meant is, cant they form balanced grps by themselves, instead of sitting at atk all day? they deserve it if they cba trying tbh.

 

[Jaapi]

what else is new?

This game offers many different aspects to what u want to do, it's not all about rvr, in the end the game will become what u make out of it. So I don't see the problem?

It's not all about RvR, but casual gamer has been denied of any efficient RvR. Hard to try and make something out of it.

 

[Yurka]

The emain situation for the people who arent in the main rvr guild has always been the same. Maybe i felt it even worse because of an armsmen, but i was very close to stop playing daoc, but then RB came along.

ToA is annoying but this is where ingame friends come to help and getting a few weeks off holiday to play(or unsocialable camping times), they should of left the game at 1.65 imo.

As for sash, its been made alot easier to xp this patch, best way is get BB with fop, and another friend to help kill them. Outside Aerus haven is a load of runes with some statues (need to farm for ml group step), go around the back of those and theres some red giants. Just kill them between the two of you and it XPs very quickly. Use 2 casters if poss....

 

[Gibbo]

One of the big problems with most pick up groups is that no matter how well the group does initially it only takes one wipeout for the group to split.