to the alb fg who ran at 02:00 tonight in emain

[Everz]

Aww, sad to hear that mate.. Wudve been good tho.. Rest of ur grp running?

Hehe, counted today that ive made 228k in the past 2 days.. Feel kinda sad, but in the mean time, im feeling good.

no idea, was just a pick up pug for fun ;D

 

[Cromcruaich]

Sorry but i dont agree,

So your saying that since there are no enemy fgs online the fg we have should split up cause its lame?
This kinda looks like the mouse/cat/dog thing... The soloers get killed by duos/trios that get killed by fgs that get killed by the zerg wich gets zerged by another larger zerg.
I understand that ppl want to solo, its the way they want to play, but they also have to understand that other ppl have other playstyles wich includes grouping/adding/zerging/leeching and will kill anything on sight.
I know its just a game but if you lookup at RL examples (WW2) the americans grouped up with europe allys to attack the germans...would be funny to listen to zee nazis...."wtf zergers! I was soloing them!"
So resuming this long time debated issue either you solo or duo or run in fg, you will get killed sooner or later by a larger number and theres nothing you can do.

Stop with the ww2 examples! They are totally irrelevant. And you know why? Because in the DAOC scenario, there can be no winners. Thats just for starters - you know the analogy is daft.

Naw, it is lame an 8 man group running over soloers at 1am, whichever way you cut it. That group just ruins rvr for the other realms who arnt able to even respond and get together a group 4, which is a population problem.

Also, we all accept people have different playstyles, please please dont get this discussion mixed up with a playstyle discussion. It isn't that.

And ofcourse it would be significantly better all round if those 8 people decided to duo, trio, solo - it means longer action all around for a longer period of time, because the soloers/duos who are run over, repeatedly without a chance, and without meeting any other enemy in between, at least feel they have a fighting chance, and will continue to play for longer.

So here, no one is enforcing anything, or attemtping to police anything, its just saying, look, cut those solo's/duos a bit of slack, and they will keep coming back and fighting, and everyone has fun, rather than the 8 men, just having fun for the 10 seconds it takes to run em down. Thas all, no drama required.

 

[d@n.dk]

What's the fun of running in a fg and steaming down the same few soloers all night long? If it's to have fun with your mates, go pve or something and chat on vent?

ok.................

..... gimp.. we run where and whenever we feel like it... just as everyone els..

If YOU cant stand getting killed... then You go and do some woodworking instead of being in an RvRzone.. ( same isnt it ..? )

 

[d@n.dk]

:eek2:

Stop with the ww2 examples! They are totally irrelevant. And you know why? Because in the DAOC scenario, there can be no winners. Thats just for starters - you know the analogy is daft.

Naw, it is lame an 8 man group running over soloers at 1am, whichever way you cut it. That group just ruins rvr for the other realms who arnt able to even respond and get together a group 4, which is a population problem.

Also, we all accept people have different playstyles, please please dont get this discussion mixed up with a playstyle discussion. It isn't that.

And ofcourse it would be significantly better all round if those 8 people decided to duo, trio, solo - it means longer action all around for a longer period of time, because the soloers/duos who are run over, repeatedly without a chance, and without meeting any other enemy in between, at least feel they have a fighting chance, and will continue to play for longer.

So here, no one is enforcing anything, or attemtping to police anything, its just saying, look, cut those solo's/duos a bit of slack, and they will keep coming back and fighting, and everyone has fun, rather than the 8 men, just having fun for the 10 seconds it takes to run em down. Thas all, no drama required.

Read my post again ... there where plenty of both Hibs and Mids on ... but if they want to solo/ duo .. ( whatever ) .. I aint letting them go... Just as they dont whenever i solo on a char.. ( actually.. just yesterday i got zerged by 6 hibs... sololing ... ON MY L 21 Caba.. ( was out to rep a tower ) .. but that doesnt matter.. its the game.. and if you enter an rvr zone.. there might be a chance of getting killed.. :eek2:!!!

type /rel.. put on your helmet and start running again .. not that big a deal, is it ..?

 

[CorNokZ]

ok.................

..... gimp.. we run where and whenever we feel like it... just as everyone els..

If YOU cant stand getting killed... then You go and do some woodworking instead of being in an RvRzone.. ( same isnt it ..? )

Feel free to run where ever you like, when ever you like, I couldn't care less! You are not ruining my rvr as my account is currently closed, and even if it WAS open you'd have a problem steamrolling me as I am a WIZARD

And how can you compare woodworking with rvr? It's nothing a like


...................ok?

...... gimp

 

[Sorin]

HAHHA...screenpulling... hahah.. That was me red spiking all over during the fight ( i heard from the admins it will be like that for like a week..so quite qq)... hence u won ... rofl. M8 get serious .. u couldnt take me down while trying to gang me with a cleric and u both died (with Marmate near u laughing his ass off) ... u think u can do it so easily on your own ?

Red spikes? haha.

Such a lame excuse. And about that other time. all you did was engage/walkthrough, which is the only reason you won.

And oww, since you didn't do any of the above this time = You Lose.

Whata losah!

Can't even stand still and take it eh?

You tried to run away and use heal pots like 4 times, you gimpa!

Haha! I killed you even tho you used IP, Static temptest and what not.
All i used was DET and AoM. rofl!

But if you think you're so good, come and face me.
And stand still so i can hit you... should be fair enough considering that you're many rrs higher than me

 

[d@n.dk]

And how can you compare woodworking with rvr?

Didnt you tell me / us to go do some pve..? .. almost as fun as woodworking.. .. but lesser chance to get killed in woodworking.. so was trying to avoid another whiner ..

 

[CorNokZ]

Didnt you tell me / us to go do some pve..? .. almost as fun as woodworking.. .. but lesser chance to get killed in woodworking.. so was trying to avoid another whiner ..

woodworking = running over solo ppl with a fg = no fun/skill :<

 

[d@n.dk]

woodworking = running over solo ppl with a fg = no fun/skill :<

/ZzzzzzZ

We can discuss this forever.. and we all are zerging ones and a while, and getting zergwd the day after... what we doesnt all do.. is making a whiner in here..

 

[Cromcruaich]

:eek2:


Read my post again ... there where plenty of both Hibs and Mids on ... but if they want to solo/ duo .. ( whatever ) .. I aint letting them go... Just as they dont whenever i solo on a char.. ( actually.. just yesterday i got zerged by 6 hibs... sololing ... ON MY L 21 Caba.. ( was out to rep a tower ) .. but that doesnt matter.. its the game.. and if you enter an rvr zone.. there might be a chance of getting killed.. :eek2:!!!

type /rel.. put on your helmet and start running again .. not that big a deal, is it ..?

Hey, i'm just giving you some advice, personally I dont bother playing late anymore, basically since knocking the drinking on the head.

If you persistantly run over solo people just trying to eek out a bit of late night fun they will log off, and some may well stay off .. permanently.

Can I ask you a question - and i'm after an honest answer and not baiting - why do you play DAOC?

If I answer it myself from my pov, to show a bit willing and to maybe identify some common ground.

I play because I enjoy being part of the community, and that extends beyond prib - where I like the debates and head to heads here, with all friends (enemies!) like Kinetix, Brite, Gamah, Sept etc etc, and also the in game tussels between old fg adversaries and people i recognise solo. Oh and for Aim's wonderful bitching on irc.

I play to test myself against other players, and the satisfaction that those tests give when I pass them.

I play for the ingame cameraderie and the laugh I have when running in NFD GG1 and other guild groups, hell I even play for Piojas singing.

I play to advance my character, and part of that is the gaining of realm points so that I can continue to compete and hold my own against my peers.

Dunno how many of those points you recognise and share?
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Regards your intial point about you getting run over, like I say, thats a childs argument.

Can I ask you a couple of simple question along with the one above.

Do you think persistantly killing soloers during none peak hours, typically after midnight is likely to decrease or increase the length of time those people play?

Do you get more satisfaction from killing a single person with your 8 man group, or do you get more personal satisfaction from killing another similiar numbered group from an enemy realm?

Do you think there is a room for some mutual respect between players of different realms, that could extent to having at least some sympathy with those players and the quality of their in game experience?

 

[Nuxtobatns]

bla bla bla

HAHAH... u r just /rofl

Whether u believe the lag or not ... /care. Farm u on the battlefield

 

[Eladamri]

ROFL....comming from a guy adding like u do.

sorry i dont have engage and mastery of parry/blocking 4 like u do, ohhh shitz im loosing, better hit engage til stun timer gets up again so i can make my imba nukes of doom not like u never added before ^^

 

[Nuxtobatns]

sorry i dont have engage and mastery of parry/blocking 4 like u do, ohhh shitz im loosing, better hit engage til stun timer gets up again so i can make my imba nukes of doom not like u never added before ^^

I'm sorry... i guess a Hero cant spec moparry2/mob3 ... or use tactics like 'engaging'. And since when the nukes r nukes of doom vs normal sists + cl + super passive Hero sists + fury ?
As for the second part ... first time i saw that hero of yours... it engaged in that kind of activity ... so, next time i saw u i guess i just decided to give u my 'love' first...before u get the chance. (something much like the attitude vs Craeth).

 

[Kinetix]

Stop with the ww2 examples! They are totally irrelevant. And you know why? Because in the DAOC scenario, there can be no winners. Thats just for starters - you know the analogy is daft.

What DAOC Scenario?! its just a game jesus the winners are the ones that win fights the loosers well....you smart figure it out.
So yes the analogy is apropriate in this case.

Naw, it is lame an 8 man group running over soloers at 1am, whichever way you cut it. That group just ruins rvr for the other realms who arnt able to even respond and get together a group 4, which is a population problem.

Who gives a dam about the other realms? Theyr population problem is not my fault, in fact IT IS NOT PLAYERS CONCERN.

Also, we all accept people have different playstyles, please please dont get this discussion mixed up with a playstyle discussion. It isn't that.

On the contrary, you´r mixing your personal opinion with how the game should be played... just look at you other post a bit further. You want to test yourself against others? go ahead! but leave the others to play how they want.

And ofcourse it would be significantly better all round if those 8 people decided to duo, trio, solo - it means longer action all around for a longer period of time, because the soloers/duos who are run over, repeatedly without a chance, and without meeting any other enemy in between, at least feel they have a fighting chance, and will continue to play for longer.

So...groups zerging soloers in the day is ok...but fgs zerging soloers after midnight is not?!

So here, no one is enforcing anything, or attemtping to police anything, its just saying, look, cut those solo's/duos a bit of slack, and they will keep coming back and fighting, and everyone has fun, rather than the 8 men, just having fun for the 10 seconds it takes to run em down. Thas all, no drama required.

Actually if that fg splits those soloers and duos that were getting killed will group and kills the duos/trios made of splited group. Its the way life and this game is the bigger fish eats the small fish.

 

[Eladamri]

I'm sorry... i guess a Hero cant spec moparry2/mob3 ... or use tactics like 'engaging'. And since when the nukes r nukes of doom vs normal sists + cl + super passive Hero sists + fury ?
As for the second part ... first time i saw that hero of yours... it engaged in that kind of activity ... so, next time i saw u i guess i just decided to give u my 'love' first...before u get the chance. (something much like the attitude vs Craeth).

actually i never engaged someone on my hero i pvp, cept one time which was vs jiradon who seems to have a million master of parry block and i just backed up to the keep instead of giving him RPs for speccing all passives

 

[Nuxtobatns]

actually i never engaged someone on my hero i pvp, cept one time which was vs jiradon who seems to have a million master of parry block and i just backed up to the keep instead of giving him RPs for speccing all passives

Then u r not using your shields and specs to their fullest...And i bet u only got slam from shield styles on the qbars. Tho basically..u do play a Hero..therefore most of the fights r on even terms.. if not uphill for the enemy ... anyways.

 

[Tuthmes]

Then u r not using your shields and specs to their fullest...And i bet u only got slam from shield styles on the qbars. Tho basically..u do play a Hero..therefore most of the fights r on even terms.. if not uphill for the enemy ... anyways.

Maybe because using engage is just lame? Just like the 1000 envenom'd weapons you use on your thane... ws/con, desease and the most lollerskates of all, the mezz one (follow by running 1500 units and nuking again).

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Maybe because using engage is just lame? Just like the 1000 envenom'd weapons you use on your thane... ws/con, desease and the most lollerskates of all, the mezz one (follow by running 1500 units and nuking again).

Y..kinda tend to need those as a result to constantly fighting of the zerg at DC
And engage isnt lame... is a way to delay a melee fight for a bit .. if one believes it suits him to do so.

 

[censi]

He's dyslexic, but speak a very good english tbh

soz mags, weve always been on good terms and u let my ranger be... peace and love was said with a smaile and no hatred anyway... (not funny though ofc if u are dyslexic)

 

[Golena]

Who gives a dam about the other realms? Theyr population problem is not my fault, in fact IT IS NOT PLAYERS CONCERN.

Is it just me or does Kinetix get more retarded by the day?

Go see a doctor mate, it's best to catch these psycological problems early before they become serious!

Here's a wake up call, it's not actually a real war. If one side actually wins, then the game is over. There's no reset button, that's it, your done.
While their population might not be your fault, it is your concern if you want to keep playing. If you don't want to keep playing, then piss off now, cos I can assure you, you won't be missed.

 

[Kinetix]

Is it just me or does Kinetix get more retarded by the day?

Go see a doctor mate, it's best to catch these psycological problems early before they become serious!

Here's a wake up call, it's not actually a real war. If one side actually wins, then the game is over. There's no reset button, that's it, your done.
While their population might not be your fault, it is your concern if you want to keep playing. If you don't want to keep playing, then piss off now, cos I can assure you, you won't be missed.

Why dont you put a cloack on with a nice big M from morron on it mr Superman and savior of all servers?
Im the one that should get a doctor? lol you have serious mental problems mate.
Reset button? Game over? players concerning?....you have been watching too many movies mate or your from another planet or something and just landed on earth and are absolutly clueless. Does WoW needs a reset button? Do the million of wow players need to concern about how the other players feel? Do they even concern about how the game population is? Do theyr servers have a fecking superman hero like you that preaches good gameplay?
The answer is quite complicated so ill leave one paragraph just for that...

- NO


Every game as a lifespawn and will last as long as it lasts, and if you cant cope with the others playstyle cause its making you not wanna play i suggest you go back to singleplayer games.


And finalising, if i leave this game i will be missed by the ppl that are important not some random retards who post on FH talking shit about ppl they dont know.
So you gave your opinion, i gave mine...did the game change or do you think it will change? No! so stop wasting your time.

 

[Sean]

Why dont you put a cloack on with a nice big M from morron on it mr Superman and savior of all servers?
Im the one that should get a doctor? lol you have serious mental problems mate.
Reset button? Game over? players concerning?....you have been watching too many movies mate or your from another planet or something and just landed on earth and are absolutly clueless. Does WoW needs a reset button? Do the million of wow players need to concern about how the other players feel? Do they even concern about how the game population is? Do theyr servers have a fecking superman hero like you that preaches good gameplay?
The answer is quite complicated so ill leave one paragraph just for that...

- NO


Every game as a lifespawn and will last as long as it lasts, and if you cant cope with the others playstyle cause its making you not wanna play i suggest you go back to singleplayer games.


And finalising, if i leave this game i will be missed by the ppl that are important not some random retards who post on FH talking shit about ppl they dont know.
So you gave your opinion, i gave mine...did the game change or do you think it will change? No! so stop wasting your time.

1) its spelt moron you fuckin idiot
2) go play WoW then ?
3) you wont be missed by any1 except dandk because your both tard so go fugure
4) your opinion is worthless so FO
5) kthnxbye

 

[Cromcruaich]

What DAOC Scenario?! its just a game jesus the winners are the ones that win fights the loosers well....you smart figure it out.
So yes the analogy is apropriate in this case.

Naw it really isnt. But lets drop it as it didnt add anything to the discussion.

Who gives a dam about the other realms? Theyr population problem is not my fault, in fact IT IS NOT PLAYERS CONCERN.

Its really really important you get this. If I rephrase you - "it shouldn't be important, nor any players concern.". I agree, however, with the population as it is, it makes sense from all realms perspective to have a bit of concern for players from other realms - you want em to keep on playing on a daily basis, and keep paying subs on a longer term basis. Also I hope you realise that we should all give a damn about the other realms, coz there aint no RvR without them. I know you like to argue with me, and well, I like to argue with you as well, but I see that as a pretty important point for the care of this cluster we love playing on.

On the contrary, you´r mixing your personal opinion with how the game should be played... just look at you other post a bit further. You want to test yourself against others? go ahead! but leave the others to play how they want.

Yup, I gave a personal answer to the question I was asking someone else, to show I wasnt baiting but after an honest response in an effort to find some common ground and steer the discussion away from confrontational posts. I'd appreciate it if you replied to those questions as well, honestly.

So...groups zerging soloers in the day is ok...but fgs zerging soloers after midnight is not?!

Dont find this point relevant to me, as it was the poster I was responing to that had the mindset that fgs zerging soloers late on had no issues. What do you think?

Actually if that fg splits those soloers and duos that were getting killed will group and kills the duos/trios made of splited group. Its the way life and this game is the bigger fish eats the small fish.

Perhaps, but guess what the fg that split can do? Dont really find this point a strong argument.

Bottom line as I see it is that the longer people play at night, the more action there is for everyone from all realms. Different realms dont play in a bubble - we're all connected as players and the actions we take against others affects ourselves and our realm mates - this is magnified by the current population deficiet, and further magnified when that population crashes after prime time (as measured by number of players currently in game). I'm surprised that others from alb, soloers, duos etc, arnt also a bit miffed when they see some 8 man group running around hoovering up all others. Oh I say alb, thats just coz its the thread discussion - it equally applies to the other two realms. Consider this more of a suggestion and/or a plea based on a bit of reasoning. You can safely ignore it if you think im way off the mark.


If you could respond to those questions I posed to the other poster, as youve kinda taken on his mantle, dont want the focus of our discussion to run away along 5 different paths which is the way things always go when people start splitting up posts and responding to each sentence.

 

[Coldbeard]

I doubt Kinetix's limited skills allows him to read and comprehend, let alone reply, to that Crom :>

 

[Kinetix]

Its really really important you get this. If I rephrase you - "it shouldn't be important, nor any players concern.". I agree, however, with the population as it is, it makes sense from all realms perspective to have a bit of concern for players from other realms

Ok ill hand it to you on the shouldnt part. Altho I believe i did my part when i said i wouldnt do anymore late Relic Raids. But spliting a group in wich im having fun is streching the line to much for me

Yup, I gave a personal answer to the question I was asking someone else, to show I wasnt baiting but after an honest response in an effort to find some common ground and steer the discussion away from confrontational posts. I'd appreciate it if you replied to those questions as well, honestly.

Well yes there should be a discussion about this subject but i believe Freddys Forums just aint the place for it. PPl could reply and post theyr opinions but it would just end up on a flame thread.

Dont find this point relevant to me, as it was the poster I was responing to that had the mindset that fgs zerging soloers late on had no issues. What do you think?

I think that it all depends on perspective. Ill try to explain myself as best as i can... if i group up lets say a fg with the intentions of finding the maximum number of enemys up to a fg its ok but getting a fg when you know only 3 or 5 hibs/mids online no. Ofc there is the other part not to forget that if that group is together since 21:00 and still is fg at 2am there is no reason to split imho.

Perhaps, but guess what the fg that split can do? Dont really find this point a strong argument.

well on this imo it all depends on classes, some just arnt good soloing or it feels good to have a healer/speed/guard in group. Many reasons not to split a effective and fun group.

Bottom line as I see it is that the longer people play at night, the more action there is for everyone from all realms. Different realms dont play in a bubble - we're all connected as players and the actions we take against others affects ourselves and our realm mates - this is magnified by the current population deficiet, and further magnified when that population crashes after prime time (as measured by number of players currently in game). I'm surprised that others from alb, soloers, duos etc, arnt also a bit miffed when they see some 8 man group running around hoovering up all others. Oh I say alb, thats just coz its the thread discussion - it equally applies to the other two realms. Consider this more of a suggestion and/or a plea based on a bit of reasoning. You can safely ignore it if you think im way off the mark.

Well do you think i enjoy traveling around the frontier with a fg just to kill 1 or 2 lousy hib/mids?
Lately i´ve turned to pve late night but then guess what happened? I was farming a boss in lab then Mr RvR police man Staj and bb came and tried to kill me, things went bad for him so had to call his friend Censi to do the dirty job.
So resuming the situation where More ppl kill less ppl will always happen not just from alb side as you well said. So if we try to rvr we get flamed cause we outrun the lesser enemys just cause we can arrange fgs, and if we go farm items in lab for example it happens the same in the opposite way.


PS: Stuff you Coldbeard And thnx to Warz and Mikko for not killing me while farming ^^

 

[CorNokZ]

PS: Stuff you Coldbeard And thnx to Warz and Mikko for not killing me while farming ^^

I'm sure you would have done the same to them ^^

 

[Kinetix]

I'm sure you would have done the same to them ^^

actually i did in fact i helped Warz get his Moz

 

[Cromcruaich]

...

Ta, nice post actually there Kin, shows that even people traditionally on opposite sides of the arguments can find some common ground.

Just to clarify though, the fg doesnt necessarily have to split - they could leave the odd soloer, or not run him over after the 3rd time. Just suggestions. Coz they will log. There is more fun to killing someone in a hard fight though, and thats more fun from both parties.

I'm not trying to preach here, just hoping to maybe make people think about how they can maximse their enjoyment from the game, and in the process maximise other peoples as well. Thats both at the immediate time of play, but also over the longer term where we dont want to put people off who are renewing - as reflected by the recent population resurgence.

Equally, all realms have silly fgs running around at 2am now and again, so I hope albs dont see it as an attack on them. Also im not saying never run fg's late on - that would be me being daft - im just asking that sometimes people exercise a bit of commonsense and have a bit of empathy for others, even if they are in a different realm. thas all.


On the staj thing well, didnt you get more enjoyment fighting him in labby, and then when he came with censi to get revenge, than you do from just running over some poor sod at 2am in an 8 man group? I know I would - nightly vendettas are a really enjoyable part of the game - the rps become irrelevant - you just gotta get out there and beat the sod who just beat you. Thats me anyhow.

 

[Kinetix]

On the staj thing well, didnt you get more enjoyment fighting him in labby, and then when he came with censi to get revenge, than you do from just running over some poor sod at 2am in an 8 man group? I know I would - nightly vendettas are a really enjoyable part of the game - the rps become irrelevant - you just gotta get out there and beat the sod who just beat you. Thats me anyhow.

RR12 Enchanter+bb and RR11 Ranger VS rr3 Matter Cabby and bb....
Thats not vendetta, its suicide
So i went back to normal rvr grouped with 4 ppl and killed soloers to release my anger yes yes i know im a bad boy

 

[Cromcruaich]

RR12 Enchanter+bb and RR11 Ranger VS rr3 Matter Cabby and bb....
Thats not vendetta, its suicide
So i went back to normal rvr grouped with 4 ppl and killed soloers to release my anger yes yes i know im a bad boy

Naws , dont see owt wrong with that, you had a fighting chance, staj had a fighting chance. Staj upped the ante, you responded. World away from some 8 man group repeatedly running over soloers. Bet was great fun.

Oh reread your post, aye, killing soloers as 4 ppl makes you a bad boy. Would of just dealt out some justice to staj if situation reveresed. Not sure who was in that 4, but tbh 4 ppl running around wouldnt put me off to much - see it as very different from an 8 man group. Speed I guess is the key, if you at least have a chance to run then you keep going out.