To all the GroupPurge / LA whiners

[Apathy]

*I* don't die in two hits. It can sometimes take up to three.

a.
*

 

[old.Nol]

So hib groups have 12 slots...they must have. 2 Wardens with synching bubbles, 2 Druids - for uber heals and GP whenever we feel like it , 2 bards - one for speed & one for end regen, alternating insta mezzes...then we still have to fit in all those Mooses and Stun casting enchanters...

The average group is lucky to have a druid or warden, the only guarantee is there is a very good chance you will have a bard, although you might have to wait for some time for one to become available.

 

[Aussie-]

uhm
Warden = chain, 2x spec,IP = TANK
Theur = cloth,1x
RM = cloth,1x
--
Bard = IP, Healer = IP , Sorcerer = oh right albion :lol:

7/8 things melenko sums up are things hibs have which albion doesnt have.
but hey, maybe start again about our useless we-can-move-and-not-attack-sos and our uber bof, because tanks are the main dmg dealers

let's pretend albs spec the best possible RvR groupfriendly specs
-Theurg = full earth, 6sec pbt, baseline ice nukes (wow thats gonna hurt, everyone already laughs with Outlaws ~150dmg specced ones)
-Sorcerer = full mind, 400radius mez, baseline nukes ( cough same uber dmg)

There is nothing difficult about playing Hib RvR. There is nothing skilled about it. You got it all. Play alb if you know it better.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Aussie-
There is nothing difficult about playing Hib RvR. There is nothing skilled about it. You got it all. Play alb if you know it better.

Come play hib if u really think its so easy to play hib in RvR, well see what ull be saying after

 

[err0r]

3rd thread someone, getting hard to read again.

Thanks,

 

[Jiggs]

yeah i did on pryd lol its a joke how your classes are compared to alb ones, we all saw on PvP as well.

Bard
Druid
Warden
Hero
Hero
xtra tank/caster/support?
Chanter/Eld
Chanter/Eld


you got everything AND you got it the BEST it can be:

best end regen
best pbt
best mezz
best tank
best pbaoe
best RAs: Magic BoF and GP

perhaps you dont got the n00ks of a fire wiz but you got debuff and stun which imo more than compensates.

its not hard to see how if you take some players with a bit of dedication and ability like LA f.ex. you can effectively own in RvR.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Jiggs
best end regen
best pbt
best mezz
best tank
best pbaoe
best RAs: Magic BoF and GP

In 1.54 hib will have the WORST end regen of all 3 realms. Best CC is in mid already. Best base dmg on pbaoe is in mid as well. So not much left for hib

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Warden = 1.5x spec, laughable damage even when full weapon spec which is mostly the reason they HAVE to spec 45+ in nurture to be somewhat viable..
You can't have a full weapon spec warden with best pbt and best resists, maybe if it did more damage than the offhand of a zerker not in hamster mode someone would spec full weapon but it doesn't.
Maybe if wardens had more in their regrowth spec than a 25% self style end reduction and a 7 self hp regen at 40ish spec and 1 spec heal some people would choose that over nurture..
You're complaining that theurgist specs other than the standard one are laughable, well so are warden ones, ours just pick the crappy line which is best for the group (due to resists/pbt) instead of the line which might make us average fighters or average healers.

 

[Jiggs]

:doh:

yeah lol i thought u hibs were actually good classes LOL i'm such a n00b, ur all got these pony clasees 'cept you are the BEST players.

omg it so obvious

:sleeping:

 

[old.Nol]

best solo class?

 

[lofff]

Really, u albs whine too much, altho u dont really know what are u talking about (just need to see ur warden descriptions) u do estate ur shit.

Theres an easier solution than try to discuss/explain/advice, since u seem to enjoy ur own bullshit now u are gonna eat it:

FU ALBS

FU GIMPED USELESS GITS

FU AND EAT EMAIN GRASS COS WE ARE RAPING UR GIMPED BUTTS

FU AND PHEAR HIBERNIA OVERPOWERNESS AS LONG AS IT REMAINS

FU AND DONT REROLL HIB COS U ARE _NOT_ WELCOME

knpbye

 

[Aussie-]

it's so cute everytime they say 'whine' when they are out of arguments
why don't you just admit you got it shiteasy?

 

[Flimgoblin]

last I read a tank is someone that can take damage or are Fire wizards tanks now because they can deal lots of damage?

A warden would probably outlast my merc

but you missed the point - theurgists drop in seconds, warden's don't. If you can break past a theurgist's pbt or nuke them they drop fast, a warden might last long enough for his groupmate to heal him.

Not that many theurgists go for 6s pbt anyway as you're effectively neutered... pbt running = no spells for you.

A warden can still hit people with their mace - whether it does any useful damage is debatable...
but in theory they have combat styles , haste buff, more base damage than a theurgist staff

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

people who win lots want to believe its skill not unfairness.

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Aussie-
why don't you just admit you got it shiteasy?

Coz u can easily say the same thing about mid, but u dont want them to admit it, eh?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by exe
Coz u can easily say the same thing about mid, but u dont want them to admit it, eh?

they've not got it quite so shiteasy

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Fingoniel


they've not got it quite so shiteasy

VERY close tho

 

[AbPoon]

Mid's classes now arnt too far off what you Hibs have to offer thats very true, the only thing was that when the RA's came out we didnt get one that was any use at all, if we got GP and the magic BOF it would probley be us that would be the target for the whine threads.

Yes GP rocks the house but it isnt the be all and end all of winning a battle, i dont mind losing to LA as i know they all have millions of RA's and know how to play and i'm pretty happy if i manage to get em down ^^

Tbh i find getting killed by an Alb fg embarresing unless it's BF or some others that i respect

 

[Talifer]

Originally posted by Jiggs

@ talifer i dont see you(hibs that is) defending your casters any more than albs or mids do. The simple fact is its a dam sight easier to keep your bard/healer alive than it is a sorcerer.

Argh, he just called me a hib <summons the lynch mob>

I'm an alb
You might know me better as Vladimir, but I doubt it.
Anyway I'm a Merc, as a merc I'm considered a caster killer, the problem is Hib casters don't go down as easily as alb casters. I agree one of the big, big problems is that bards/healers can take a hell of a lot more stick (or Jambiyas ) than the likes of sorcs.

Why don't hib casters die as easily as alb casters? Well firstly you have the PBT, not such a problem for the Merc. Then you have shield slam, can't complain with that all realms have it. Then you have the caster base stun, I've never met a hib group with one caster, so if you're hitting one of them the others are free to stun you. Then you have the pet snare, as of now still bugged so with determination you're halted in seconds. Then you have the plethora of classes who can heal. Next you have the instant CC (chasing a bard becomes futile). Finally you have the endurance regen, allowing the caster to merrily sprint away from you, while you either a) sprint after them, leaving yourself no endurance for styles, and quite frankly without styles you may as well be bashing on a chain wearer, you won't be 2,3,4,5 or even 6 shotting a caster without endurance. b) Forget him and go after someone else, leaving the caster some nice range in which to nuke you to death. Not to mention being 2-3 shotted by PBers while you're hitting one anyway

It's not the fact that hibs defend their casters more than albs do, it's that they have a lot more tools to do it with.

Personally I'm hoping 1.54 will mean I spend more time styling with my endurance than sprinting after hib casters/bards.

Talifer

 

[mele-nko]

Lots of replys
the expected whines and counter whines, with some real posts in between. I'll try to clarify some of my points in the first post.

- 6 sec pbt on a tank class.
Ok i didn't pick the correct word for it, but u all know what i was trying to say. If u compare survivability between Wardens, Runemasters and Theurgist it should be pretty obvious who will life the longest.

Warden: Scale (chain) armor, medium shield, parry spec (even if u don't spec it, 1 parry is still better as no parry ~) Hybrid hps table meaning u should have 1300~ish hps unbuffed. (they do have the ability to buff themselves aswell, but might not do so to save conc for the group)

Runemaster: Cloth armor, mage hps table meaning that most rm's have around 1050hps~ (My own runemaster has 1144hps unbuffed with aug con1 and toughness1, i've never met a mage with more hps)

Theurgist: Cloth armor, mage hps table...most are around 1000hps would be my guess (could be a little of here?)

Don't think i have to say more about this subject on which will die first ....right?

- CC and healing on different chars
I wrote that hibs have the advantage here since they got primairy CC and primairy Healing on 2 different classes. I know that albion has that aswell, CC on sorcer and Healing on the Cleric. But if u compare the 2 duo's to eachother, hib turns out on top. I think that again the chain/reinforced wearers versus chain/cloth wearers argument is a valid one, the sorcer has the focus a lot more on just surviving then then bard (both do, but it's a fact a sorcer will die a lot faster)

As for midgard....well we got primairy CC and primairy Healing on 1 class, one that gets only 1*specpoints a lvl. U could argue that we just have to spec less in Pac, only problem with that is that our only Mana Regeneration in the realm is in the line at spec lvl 45, so we'll always need Pac healers.



No other serious replies were made that needed clarification from my side. And thanks to all the people that just come in here and post decent replies


edit: my mistake, bards wear rf not scale

 

[old.Nol]

Firstly, bards do not wear chain.

Secondly, have you considered the logistics of these all healing, all dancing super crews you are talking about. Even the most gifted player can only do one thing at a time, if we are managing to do all these things at the same time, (it's obvious that we are some inherently superior race with 17 sets of limbs and lazers from our eyes) no wonder you lose.

Take your time to read through these posts, and consider one hib group doing all this stuff in one contact with all the classes mentioned...

 

[Treniel-]

geting sick of these threads tbh

Hib is slighty overpowered compared to the other 2 realms. Fact.
Mid has good abilities on many classes. Fact.
Albs are shit in RvR most of them are newbies. Fact.

however what is also a fact is that both Mid and to a larger extent Hib have more abilities which make it easier for them to beat albs in RvR. Thats why albs whine, thats why albs die and thats why this game sucks. And i doubt mythic are gona change it any time soon.

 

[lofff]

no they wont, u suck so much that mythic will keep nerfing u till albs are bonusfrags and its a mid vs hib game. FU GIMPS

Hibs ---> :mgwhore2: :help: :help:
Mids ---> :mgwhore2: :help: <--- Albs

Mythic ---> :lol:

 

[old.Glendower]

Nice original post.

For certain the game's balance is so far off track as to not even be funny, but oh well, not much to do but wait for a new one I suppose.

On the issue of "tanks", wardens are NOT tanks. They have the same hitpoints as druids, ffs, while dishing out tiny bits of damage even at high spec (and I am 44 blunt, so I know) and this is one of the things that is sloppy about this game. Wardens have zip defensive abilities against multiple opponents or those using dual weapons, and the armor tables nerfed us even more.

There are no "hybrid" tables for hitpoitnts, nor damage, and there really should be.

That is something that applies to all realms.

 

[Gahldir]

alot of hibgroups are random and therefor not perfect. 2 wardens is rare as is 2 druids and 2 bards. Oki, sure hibs have some god stuff, but you say here that hibs always win and it is impossible to kill them. How on earth do i sometimes se albs killing hibs?

 

[hotrat]

Runemaster: Cloth armor, mage hps table meaning that most rm's have around 1050hps~ (My own runemaster has 1144hps unbuffed with aug con1 and toughness1, i've never met a mage with more hps

that is damn nice hits, my theurg has very good items and only 900 hits, i like to keep my resists high though. Will prolly change tomorrow though with SC, can easily cap con and hits and most resists.
It does seem strange a class with chain should get such a good ability (pbt). I mean mages only wear cloth, but they have really nice spells, snipers only studded but can shoot a bow.... it seems the better your ranged abilities the weaker your armor, yet alb gets pbt and ae mezz on cloth and the other realms don't ... just something i was pondering about Im sure a realm would complain if there only healer wore cloth ^^

 

[Molten Lava]

Cut the crap

Cut the crap guys

LA guys are the best....it has nothing to do with overpowered spells or anything:

They are the best players in the game.
They are the most intelligent people in the game.
They play average classes, which makes them have to work for it
They have the luck that other realm have stupid players that don't know how to play their overpowered class.

LA you are my heroes

 

[Amadon]

edit: deleted troll

 

[angara-ffs]

They are the most intelligent people in the game

Hihi
This is worth a new discussion
jk LA...hehe

 

[Weeping Willow]

Midgard got Thanes, nuff said.