To all the GroupPurge / LA whiners

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mele-nko

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This was a reply to outlaw's whine thread, as someone suggested I made it a new post so people might actually read it.
The last week the whines about Grouppurge have become insane. According to the whiners they have Grouppurge every other minute and use it on anything ranging from ae mezz to a 40% single snare. In defense most hibs are trying to reason that albion has the same capabilities as hib but they just suck. Now i can't really deny that, but I think there is a lot more potentiel in alb as they would like us to believe. Even so I don't think there is much point in argueing the current balance of power. Hibs are the strongest, Albs the weakest and Mid something in between closer to hibs then to albs.

Anyways..... for the LA / GroupPurge whiners.

LA doesn't win due to grouppurge. They are a group of very good daoc players brought together and given some of the best classes / combination there are. Imo they win due to multiple factors.

- They are good :)

- 6 sec Bt on a chainwearer (they all spec the lines anyways so everyone has 6sec version, and they can survive a couple hits)

- Highest magic resist of the game (their +res buffs are in specc lines that ppl were speccing even before all the +res buffs)

- CC and healing on different chars, although midgard has better cc without doubt, in order to get that no healer will ever be able to heal u for more then 300hps (without crits). Hib has their CC and their healing on different chars, allowing them for great cc AND uber heals (700hps a heal anyone?) Naturally it's also easier, U need heals and CC and u have 2 people doing that instead of 1 person (healer) who just can't do it all at the same time.

- Best tank class, hero's make sweet damage and life so insanly long. I know zerkers are great damage dealers but they just can't take as much pounding.

- Baseline stun on casters, although it's wasted on tanks in general a 9sec stun on my rm still lasts 6sec which is more then enough to kill me (pbt stops when stunned / mezzed unless u got another pbt'r)

- Atm they are the only realm with end song which is awesome and allows tanks to use thier damage potentiele to the fullests.

- And yes, Grouppurge helps, so does the bugged chanter RA



K what is going to happen in the near future.
- other realms will get end song allowing especially mid tanks to go rampage since mid gets probabaly the best versions of end regeneration.

- High realmranks tanks will become godlike, pure tanks will have some of their most used RA's decreased in points allowing them to have an even higher chance to crit or even more life. This will also make lower RR tanks more deadly as they will be able to get a lot of the most needed ra's sooner.

- Resists will become even higher although u won't notice much of that on the elite players, since those are the players who alrdy have the best gear. But a lot of ppl running around in gimped noob gear now will certainly increase their res dramatically with spellcrafting introduces.

- Casters are also getting a hard time due to the fact that in next patches u can no longer turn when u are mezzed or stunned, Allowing opponents to use their insanly difficult -untill now- sideopening styles. Styles who are among the most damaging in the game. And ofcourse u'll be PA bait...though there are few assasins with the guts to show themselves in the mids of a group vs group fight.

- Casters will also become even more interupted.. T_T
everyone can have charges on their gear allowing ppl to insta interupt at huge distance (just use a low lvl version to reduce the cost, a lvl 15 charge will also interupt)

Other then that i'm fine OKTHX, imo the way of the future is the way of Melee. I do not like what Mythic is doing to the game and i do hope they will see that their are some serious issues that need to be resolve (I have no idea why they don't buff alb a bit, they are a joke atm nothing more nothing less. and need some lub)


Anyways
let's see some more rampage from LA, although I hate fighting against it, it does remember me of the best days of NP ownage (53k without dying once anyone ? )^^


(yes, this is my opinion. Feel free to blame gp anyways)
 
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exe

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Can only reply with this: great post m8, respect to u for being constructive and fair.
 
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Talifer

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Excellent post.

Group Purge and Instant CC (Excluding AoE stun) have never been something high on my annoyance list, yes they are good but there are many other problems which COMBINED result in hibs being too powerful. The combination of caster stun and a plethora of healers is top of my list, I'm sure a hib group could even keep a sorc alive, unlike our alb groups :)

Talifer
 
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Flimgoblin

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- Casters are also getting a hard time due to the fact that in next patches u can no longer turn when u are mezzed or stunned, Allowing opponents to use their insanly difficult -untill now- sideopening styles. Styles who are among the most damaging in the game. And ofcourse u'll be PA bait...though there are few assasins with the guts to show themselves in the mids of a group vs group fight.

You can actually do the turning thing just now - just you can't actually see which way they were facing...

e.g. if you stun a monster and strafe round to its side - you can pull off positional styles. It'll be staring right at you :) but they still work.

Same applies to enemy players.
 
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jetsetminer

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In defense most hibs are trying to reason that albion has the same capabilities as hib but they just suck. Now i can't really deny that, but I think there is a lot more potentiel in alb as they would like us to believe.

I can't speak for the rest of albion but I think that this is the attitude that casues most of the group purge / insta CC / pet LOS bug complaints from albion. Some examples to illustrate the point.

Group purge: for the cost of one person's realm points all members in the group get purge - seems a little unfair to the other realms to me ;)

Insta CC: Albion used to rule with quickcast, but this still requires a minimum time to cast, and has the chance of interuptions. Insta CC is, by definition instant and uninteruptable so will always win ;)

LOS bug: The instant albion get a pet that has the same LOS bug as a chanter pet, all the other realms are up in arms about it - odd there wasn't the same mass of complaint before isn't it?

But these things are not the point, the point is that there are great players in all the realms, and there are bad players in all the realms. The whole u play alb so u must suck attitude is quite frankly wrong and insulting.

The other thing that albion and the other realms need to remember is that albion is bigger than the other realms, this is the case on all(?) the servers in the world. Because of this mythic as "balanced" the game to take into account the larger population. By definition this means that 1v1 mid and hib are more powerfull - they have to be to get over the population advantage that albion has.

So, in summary, albs are weaker 1 on 1 by design, mythic has done this deliberatly. As such some of your RA are more powerful, even if u don't want to admit it. And not all albs suck just because they play albion, if anyone really thinks this is the case, that mid and hib are the only people with good players, the u are, quite frankly, stupid.

Hmmm got a bit flamey at the end there - soz ;) - please excuse typo's I'm tring out a "natural" keyboard, and man it's difficult to get used to :)
 
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old.Odysseus

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The way I see it, mid vs alb is mostly balanced with the scales tipping a bit to the mids based on the healer and zerker.

Hib is way outta league for the albs, dont know how the mids see it.
Fact is that if my group jumps a hib group and gain complete surprise, the battle can still turn in an instant.
Fact is that if a hib group jumps my group, we are dead.
Fact is that LA has good players, skill, communication and a ton of RA's.
 
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Jiggs

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its a good post and you pretty much covered why Hibs are 'the realm' at this point in the game, we'll have to see how things develop now.

@ talifer i dont see you(hibs that is) defending your casters any more than albs or mids do. The simple fact is its a dam sight easier to keep your bard/healer alive than it is a sorcerer.
 
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Kallio

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Very good Post Kazil!

That includes basically all the points I wanted to Point out in my Post(s)

/Clap /Clap /Clap

To Tankster:

sure other people did more heroic stuff .. but that was one of my daoc highlights !!

coolies u remember that!

How could I forget

(I´m gonna do it to you and Wuren sometime) ;)
 
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lofff

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Jiggs, when am fighting against mids and i rush their CCer, stunning and bashing it, 99% times i get slammed while a zerker frenzies on me. When i fight albs i can go from 1 caster to the other freely chosing my next victim.
Sumtimes a minstrel will instastun and mezz me, or other caster will root me.. f a tank pops will b just to break the root/mezz and lemme free again.

Best(only) way to protect ur caster/healer/whatever = stun the tank on him. Alb tanks do not protect their grp.
 
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lofff

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And yeah, preety nice and clever post (sorry think am lost, how do i get to bw forums? ) ;p
 
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old.Outlaw

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cute post mele-nko, except

Fuck you
Fuck your Group Purge and
Fuck your stupid resists!

I am coming for you with a small army today!!

bitches

does not look like a whine to me.

btw I love the way u have tried to smuggle in a couple of whines about mid :m00:

why don't u go spank a monkey? :cool:
 
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Fame

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nice post indeed..

and Outlaw: you really make me laugh
 
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old.Odysseus

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Originally posted by lofff
Best(only) way to protect ur caster/healer/whatever = stun the tank on him. Alb tanks do not protect their grp.

A few names:
Lukas, Farek, Duryn, Siul, etc etc.
Some of the best defensive tanks around. When I have their guard and slammage, im not the least bit worried that ppl hit me once or twice - I stand still and wait my turn.
 
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dakeyras

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Originally posted by jetsetminer


The other thing that albion and the other realms need to remember is that albion is bigger than the other realms, this is the case on all(?) the servers in the world. Because of this mythic as "balanced" the game to take into account the larger population. By definition this means that 1v1 mid and hib are more powerfull - they have to be to get over the population advantage that albion has.


Whilst that certainly was the case some 6-8 months ago (pre 1.51 which hit US in June) it is certainly not the case now.

On only one server, Pellinor, has Alb got the traditional huge disparity in population.

Mythic need to look at other means of population control rather than deliberatly gimping a realm.

Sanya from Mythic made that now famous gaffe several weeks ago when she claimed that the only thing wrong with Albion was that it was suffering from 'lack of morale'. Well, morale doesn't drop for no reason. Why is there 'lack of morale'?

Perhaps on a bright note, she also said that that the only thing wrong with Hibernia at the beginning of the game was 'lack of morale'

In that case, it means that the way Mythic treat 'lack of morale' is to dish out lots of new toys whilst destroying a popular class in your opponants realm!

No wonder that comment was pulled rather quickly :)
 
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StormriderX

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Originally posted by old.Outlaw
cute post mele-nko, except

Fuck you
Fuck your Group Purge and
Fuck your stupid resists!

I am coming for you with a small army today!!

bitches

does not look like a whine to me.

btw I love the way u have tried to smuggle in a couple of whines about mid :m00:

why don't u go spank a monkey? :cool:

He's a mid - the NOLBY PRIDE tag is a dead give away don't you think? So therefore he doesn't have group purge. Why don't you grow up and go back to school to improve your limited vocabulary? All you are doing is making yourself look like a retarded 5 year old with the constant expletives in a attempt to make a 'point'.
 
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alithiel50

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Very good post... highlights a lot of the things that make Hibs so overpowered!

Why does the so-called 'magical' realm have the best tank in the game? And why have they for so long been the only realm with the best tank-enhancing spell (end regen) there is? :rolleyes:

Why is PBT on a tank class in chain armour? It should be on a cloth-wearing class that actually needs the extra defence! And PBT should not stack. It negates whole speclines (ie 2h, polearms) to have a PBT effect of less than 6s, which is unfair to the people who have chosen to spec in those lines.

The comment about CC and healing being on different characters isn't really valid. It's the same for Albs, and where does it get us? It would have been better to point out the abundance of Hibernian classes which access to some form of healing spec.

The only thing I'm going to say about group purge is that it should be changed to make it work in a similar way to the Minstrel RA SoS... as a means of escape.
 
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old.Nol

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good post, some nice replies and outlaw too :p

Albion must realise that their position won't always be this way. If you turn the clock back you will remember how gimped Hibernia was at the starting point of the game. This game is cyclicle and ever changing, the mezz nerf that is coming makes a huge difference.

With regards to end regen, it was the sole defining difference that Hibernia had, and after much discussion the other realms are getting it. In Albion case, it is landing on a tin wearing HP machine and it will be un-interruptable, so get all your moaning done now, because you will have the best end system by far.
 
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lofff

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Originally posted by old.Odysseus


A few names:
Lukas, Farek, Duryn, Siul, etc etc.
Some of the best defensive tanks around. When I have their guard and slammage, im not the least bit worried that ppl hit me once or twice - I stand still and wait my turn.

I was talking bout the majority.. ofc there are exceptions, anyway they are not meant to b defensive tanks, stun and whack it to death.. Its just every tank should keep an eye on his peeps in case they get engaged, and pull off the engager.
 
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optical-

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Originally posted by old.Nol
the mezz nerf that is coming makes a huge difference.

Youll find mez has been nerfed enough already and is no longer the single factor that decides the outcome of a fight.

Comments about a warden bein a tank is dumb, a tank hits hard, wardens do not.
 
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old.Outlaw

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Originally posted by stormriderx


He's a mid - the NOLBY PRIDE tag is a dead give away don't you think? So therefore he doesn't have group purge. Why don't you grow up and go back to school to improve your limited vocabulary? All you are doing is making yourself look like a retarded 5 year old with the constant expletives in a attempt to make a 'point'.

Trust me I know who he is, and I know who NP are, who in the other hand r j00?

(PS : pls don't patronise me with ur tit-for-tat posts, save them for the K9s and the STs)
 
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Flimgoblin

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Originally posted by optical-
Comments about a warden bein a tank is dumb, a tank hits hard, wardens do not.

Tank: Gaming term. A player character that takes the brunt of attacks from an enemy for his or her party. Verb: To tank (tanking).

Wardens don't die in two hits - they are tanks :)
 
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Flimgoblin

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Originally posted by old.Nol
Albion must realise that their position won't always be this way. If you turn the clock back you will remember how gimped Hibernia was at the starting point of the game. This game is cyclicle and ever changing, the mezz nerf that is coming makes a huge difference.

We already have the mezz nerf....
 
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optical-

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Originally posted by Fingoniel


Tank: Gaming term. A player character that takes the brunt of attacks from an enemy for his or her party. Verb: To tank (tanking).

Wardens don't die in two hits - they are tanks :)

OK if wardens are tanks so are skalds. /laugh
No i dont think so, tanks have to deal damage.
Wardens aint a prob, just stick a warrior and zerker on him, warrior stuns, and zerker rips him to bits, goodbye "tank".
 
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old.Outlaw

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Originally posted by alithiel50


Why is PBT on a tank class in chain armour? It should be on a cloth-wearing class that actually needs the extra defence!

Actually, that is a very good point, I remember in the early days I specced it , just to save me from mid hunters in Emain, a bonus for Theurgists I thaught :p
 
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Vasconcelos

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Originally posted by optical-


OK if wardens are tanks so are skalds. /laugh
No i dont think so, tanks have to deal damage.
Wardens aint a prob, just stick a warrior and zerker on him, warrior stuns, and zerker rips him to bits, goodbye "tank".

Ya n u need 2 tanks to defeat another "tank" while the rest of ur group is being screwed by the usual chanter/mana eldritch/hero. Not to mention the 1 minute u need to beat the warden (after sprinting n chasing him all over the place) coz he is being healed by 1 or 2 dr00ds.
 
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StormriderX

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Originally posted by Vasconcelos


Ya n u need 2 tanks to defeat another "tank" while the rest of ur group is being screwed by the usual chanter/mana eldritch/hero. Not to mention the 1 minute u need to beat the warden (after sprinting n chasing him all over the place) coz he is being healed by 1 or 2 dr00ds.

Try interupting the druid/s?
 
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Vasconcelos

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Originally posted by stormriderx


Try interupting the druid/s?

Hard when ur mezzed or being nuked till dust by ur chanters. Maybe u got enuff time to interrumpt 1 or 2 heals before get slammed or nuked or rooted.
 
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optical-

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I can see why it might be hard for an alb group to kill a hib 1, but i dont see what all the fuss is about, hibs arent as hard to kill as everyone makes out.
 
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Eleasias

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Originally posted by Fingoniel


Wardens don't die in two hits - they are tanks :)
Clerics are tanks.
Minstrels are tanks.
Infiltrators are tanks.
Healers are tanks.
Shamans are tanks.
Shadowblades are tanks.
 
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belth

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Tank=someone with lots of hps, proper defense, highest abs armor in realm, weapon spec. Doesn't necessarily do squat for damage.
 

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