[TL] LA-Damage logs!!!1

[1234Taz]

Some TL did some "real" LA - Damage logs. Make up your own conclusions etc

But has you can see LA way about damage BM/Mercs Damage from the live servers logs.

here


19:25:19] You enter combat mode and target [Minthos]
[19:25:19] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[19:25:19] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+421)
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 532 (-97) damage!
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 79 (-14) damage!

[19:22:02] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[19:22:04] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+343)
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 467 (-85) damage!
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 90 (-16) damage!




discuss

 

[Oddorvard]

Quite detailed logs. The most disheartening quote is:

...Berserkers cannot perform to the standards set, and are no longer "kept in the spirit of the class". And as such, not going to be fun anymore for those playing.

 

[Spinky]

I'm sure for many, replace 'fun' with 'uber', and they may agree



standard disclaimer, I have not, nor ever will play a berzerker, and do not care if they get nerfed or not. Nor have i ever whined about LA damage, and also don't care about that

 

[tris-]

dunno why anyone give a shit from the start, seems like people are taking the game too seriously if they go to bed crying over it etc

 

[Arnor]

and notice that comeback does a whooping 5dmg more then dfrost which is fucking sickening

 

[thorungla]

Originally posted by 1234Taz
Some TL did some "real" LA - Damage logs. Make up your own conclusions etc

But has you can see LA way about damage BM/Mercs Damage from the live servers logs.

here


19:25:19] You enter combat mode and target [Minthos]
[19:25:19] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[19:25:19] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+421)
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 532 (-97) damage!
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 79 (-14) damage!

[19:22:02] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[19:22:04] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+343)
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 467 (-85) damage!
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 90 (-16) damage!




discuss

Gotta love the way you have quoted a section from the logs pre-nerf of a bufffed zerker against a cloth wearing caster with pretty poor resists of about 18%

Wasn't quite sure if you mis-read it all. If your trying to mislead others not willing to read all the logs, or even if your for/against the nerf as it currently stand to LA, but I thought I should clarify that for anyone that doesnt read all the information from the TL and logs.

*similar disclaimer - never have and never will play a zerker, but since all the nerf screams I now know the reality behind all the logs - however this patch will destroy SB's, they will not be able to defeat other realm assasins, and this does affect me being one of a very very few that dont play with bots but try to enjoy the game as intended, SB's were not in need of another nerf and all the logs ive seen indicate zerkers didnt neeed much either, definitely not the huge reduction shown.*

 

[Draylor]

Re: Re: [TL] LA-Damage logs!!!1

From the VN boards thread
Spamming doublefrost4tehwin is no longer an option

Really much of this thread is meaningless. Unbuffed numbers mean nothing. Wonder where he found so many opponents with crap resists for those tests.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by 1234Taz
Some TL did some "real" LA - Damage logs. Make up your own conclusions etc

But has you can see LA way about damage BM/Mercs Damage from the live servers logs.

here


19:25:19] You enter combat mode and target [Minthos]
[19:25:19] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[19:25:19] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+421)
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 532 (-97) damage!
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 79 (-14) damage!

[19:22:02] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[19:22:04] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+343)
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 467 (-85) damage!
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 90 (-16) damage!




discuss

19:25:19] You enter combat mode and target [Minthos]
[19:25:19] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[19:25:19] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+121)
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 232 (-97) damage!
[19:25:19] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 79 (-14) damage!

[19:22:02] You prepare to perform a Doublefrost!
[19:22:04] You perform your Doublefrost perfectly. (+43)
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 167 (-85) damage!
[19:22:04] You attack Minthos with your axe and hit for 90 (-16) damage!


thats not to bad....Ohhhh thats not the correct numbers.ohhh well..yours where not quite " honest " either ..so Buu feeking Huu

 

[thorungla]

Re: Re: Re: [TL] LA-Damage logs!!!1

Originally posted by Draylor


Really much of this thread is meaningless. Unbuffed numbers mean nothing. Wonder where he found so many opponents with crap resists for those tests.

Those numbers were a buffed zerker against a non buffed lowish resist caster as of now. ie before the nerf. They show a zerker doing in optimum conditions and before crits 500ish damage on potentially their weakest enemy. Not as uber as the 800-1000 that ppl always whine about.

After the nerf, the same test shows damage of approx 300 which is indeed a 40% reduction. You may think its reasonable you may not. Personally I think hits of 300 for a top end positional style by the melee realms damage dealing tank is a bit pathetic.

Anyway, carry on all your whining, soon this game will have been whined, I mean nerfed into the ground.

 

[Sharma]

one word, Nerf.

 

[1234Taz]

erm no look here he breaks 300 damage three using Axe styles. Now look here

 

[old.LandShark]

The fact that this test shows zerkers don't for 50000 clearly shows that any memories you may have of zerkers totally, totally outdamaging any other melee class in the game is just some kind of hallucination!!1!1!!

This is like using a thermometer to see if the house is on fire.

 

[living]

Its nice to see that 1234Taz is using FAKE and MISLEADING copy-paste's to whine about. I guess he culdent say "NERF" with those logs if he dident copy-paste from the logs that were PRE 1.62 and a fully buffed zerk vs CLOTH and 18% resist!

Trying to mislead people liek that and then whine about it urself.. mean.. C'MON! They got nerfed.. thats ok but they got nerfed 5-10% too much imo.. improve Merc and BMs dont fuck with the zerks!

edit: oh and dont fuck with the SBs too :]

 

[thorungla]

Originally posted by 1234Taz
erm no look here he breaks 300 damage three using Axe styles. Now look here

Yes I've seen. Your linking to the logs of Axe and LA vs Cloth on the live servers pre-nerf. I dont understand what your trying to say tbh.

These show current zerker damage against the weakest possible opponent and dont seem to be the 'omg this damage is too high nerf nerf nerf' that I was expecting to see given all the whining.

 

[old.Emma]

lol gyil i would have expected better from you tbh.

after being a dedicated mid for a year atleast and then moving to alb to roll the most powerfull 1 vs 1 hybrid class in albion (reads class that needs a nurf)

seems just by moving to alb you automatically jump on the whine bandwagon.

if that tiny log was taken from pendragon then someone is lie`n cos the damage ive seen from screen shots and logs by various team leaders and not just mid TL`s but Alb/Hib TL`s kinda show damage alot lower than that. Infact i remember reading one post by someone that put alot of time into actually testing the LA damage reduction where it showed a merc out damage`n the zerker when using similar speed weapons.

of course believe what you will, but when a TL post`s logs of damage which is stupidly low for a class that is descibed by mythic as being the damage dealing tank of midgard yet gets out damaged by every other tank in midgard (heavy/light), kinda shows someone went a little ott with the nurfs.

But hey what do i care i`m not playing daoc at the mo atleast not until ive seen the outcome of this "destroy mid" patch.

*************

for those that are actually willing to learn some truth about this nurf here is the correct link to the logs done by the Runemaster TL

http://www.42ndfireants.com/ragnarr/

note:

Nimue = live server running 1.61 (pre-nurf)
Pendragon = Test server running 1.62m (post-nurf)

 

[1234Taz]

OK just for you on chain, ill try and make it more clear,

29 Snowsquall Behind target Medium bonus Medium High postinal style lvl 29 LA spec

29 Havoc In front of target Low bonus Low penalty Medium High postinal style lvl 29 Axe spec

Now look at the style bonus/growth

** <<SNOWSQUALL>> AGAINST DRAKNOR (UNBUFFED) (5 MAINHAND HITS LANDED)

[13:55:21] You enter combat mode and target [Draknor]
[13:55:21] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:21] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+264)
[13:55:21] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 234 (-144) damage!
[13:55:21] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 41 (-25) damage!

[13:55:22] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:25] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+305)
[13:55:25] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 271 (-166) damage!
[13:55:25] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 37 (-23) damage!

[13:55:26] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:28] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+306)
[13:55:28] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 271 (-166) damage!
[13:55:28] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 33 (-20) damage!

[13:55:30] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:31] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+291)
[13:55:31] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 259 (-158) damage!
[13:55:31] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 39 (-24) damage!

[13:55:33] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:35] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+238)
[13:55:35] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 212 (-130) damage!
[13:55:35] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 35 (-22) damage!
[13:55:35] Your duel ends!


Now look at the differnce ?


** <<HAVOC>> AGAINST DRAKNOR (UNBUFFED) (9 MAINHAND HITS LANDED)

[18:20:56] You enter combat mode and target [Draknor]
[18:20:56] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:20:56] You miss!
[18:20:56] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 35 (-21) damage!

[18:20:58] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:00] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+130)
[18:21:00] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 155 (-95) damage!
[18:21:00] You miss!

[18:21:01] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:03] You miss!
[18:21:03] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 34 (-21) damage!

[18:21:04] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:07] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+109)
[18:21:07] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 130 (-79) damage!
[18:21:07] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 34 (-21) damage!

[18:21:08] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:10] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+133)
[18:21:10] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 159 (-97) damage!
[18:21:10] You miss!

[18:21:11] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:13] You miss!
[18:21:13] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 29 (-18) damage!

[18:21:14] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:17] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+109)
[18:21:17] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 130 (-80) damage!
[18:21:17] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 34 (-21) damage!

[18:21:18] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:20] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+121)
[18:21:20] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 144 (-88) damage!
[18:21:20] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 29 (-18) damage!
[18:21:20] You critical hit for an additional 7 damage!
[18:21:21] You prepare to perform a Havoc!

[18:21:24] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+121)
[18:21:24] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 144 (-89) damage!
[18:21:24] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 32 (-19) damage!
[18:21:24] You critical hit for an additional 3 damage!

[18:21:25] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:27] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+104)
[18:21:27] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 124 (-76) damage!
[18:21:27] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 31 (-19) damage!

[18:21:28] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:30] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+132)
[18:21:30] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 157 (-96) damage!
[18:21:30] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 33 (-20) damage!

[18:21:31] You prepare to perform a Havoc!
[18:21:34] You perform your Havoc perfectly. (+103)
[18:21:34] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 123 (-76) damage!
[18:21:34] Your duel ends!


So now stop focusing on the damage and look at whats shown on the logs the style growth/bonus on LA is huge comperd to any other SPEC LINE.


(I highlighted the things just to make sure you see it this time )

 

[Tasans]

Yes growth rates are uber on live servers, what about damage ?

But nm this explains it all

Briton - Friar
--------------------
Mid/Prydwen

Cybele - rr5 Savage [RIP]
Gyil - rr6 Runemaster [RIP]

 

[thorungla]

Somebody slap me. Your right, I've been blind and only interested in how much damage was being done. OMG at LA's style growth/bonus, thank god their being nerfed. No wonder people were whining about being out style growth bonused by zerkers.

My sincerest apologies for lowering myself to sarcasm, its because I'm a little simple, but wtf difference does this make, what do I care about the mechanics behind a weapons spec damage. I dont. I just care about the damage.

 

[Jenna.]

Is a "cry more n00b" in order here?

 

[thorungla]

Nooo, naughty Jenna. Dont encourage them, Its all the noobs crying that convince mythic to nerf something. Just look at all the noob casters running around solo and sitting in rvr during the early days and crying that an evil archer shot them dead

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by old.Emma
lol gyil i would have expected better from you tbh.

after being a dedicated mid for a year atleast and then moving to alb to roll the most powerfull 1 vs 1 hybrid class in albion (reads class that needs a nurf)

Hehe, when did minstrels become better 1 vs 1 hybrids than palas and friars? Pull the other one...

 

[1234Taz]

Wow I must be really stupid becuase I thought style bonus adds to your over all attack damage unless you reach your cap? doh I guess i was wrong, or maybe im not

Snowsquall is doing almost twice the damage of havoc is it not? why should that be thorungla/emma or anyone else please do explain I mean they are both level 29 postional styles.

Just because I played Mid has nothing to do with anything and yes I rolled a Friar I needed something thats uber without needing a buffbot

btw

ragnarrthru

Left Axe also was in need of an adjustment. To deny otherwise is just silly, andth mostly done by players who have no interest in balance in this game. The fix to Left Axe for Mythic was rather simple. When examining the code for it, they found an error in how it calculated the damage bonus. They fixed/removed the error. This essentially brought LA down to the same level as CD/DW.


It's not the Left Axe nerf alone that screwed over the Berserkers, it's the lack of all the little boosts that BMs/Mercs got while Zerks were overpowered.

Btw id like to point out not once in any posts have I ever said zerkers should have been nerfed by 30/40% :sleeping:

 

[thorungla]

Well as I see it, LA is an advanced weapon spec, you effectively spend twice as many spec points. Do you really think that for half the spec points an axe style should do the same damage?

Well thats how it will be after the nerf, so guess what LA is effectively made redundant apart from increasing ya chance to hit against a shield user or increasing your possible SC imbue points and procs/poison, hardly worth the points.

And I know you havent commented on the nerf yourself yet beyond posting links to logs. That why I've asked you a couple times

 

[Arnor]

[13:55:21] You enter combat mode and target [Draknor]
[13:55:21] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:21] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+264)
[13:55:21] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 234 (-144) damage!
[13:55:21] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 41 (-25) damage!

[13:55:22] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:25] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+305)
[13:55:25] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 271 (-166) damage!
[13:55:25] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 37 (-23) damage!

[13:55:26] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:28] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+306)
[13:55:28] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 271 (-166) damage!
[13:55:28] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 33 (-20) damage!

[13:55:30] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:31] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+291)
[13:55:31] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 259 (-158) damage!
[13:55:31] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 39 (-24) damage!

[13:55:33] You prepare to perform a Snowsquall!
[13:55:35] You perform your Snowsquall perfectly. (+238)
[13:55:35] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 212 (-130) damage!
[13:55:35] You attack Draknor with your axe and hit for 35 (-22) damage!
[13:55:35] Your duel ends!

Only me finding it odd that he caps out on every single hit? and that his cap is low like a mofo?

 

[dracus]

Whine > LA

/Dracus

 

[kr0n]

It's funny, Mercs and BMs hit for odd ~200ish + offhand with every style, with low resists it can rise upto 400. But basically those damages are the same as from CD and DW.

I don't know what to think from the changes. On the other hand it brings the zerker to par with the other two doublewielding light tanks. But all those old school zerkers who're used to hit for 500-800 WITHOUT crit on weak armors are gonna cry their eyes out.

If you look at the big picture, Midgards weapons in RvR are basically the melee classes and a 3 full healer characters in a full RvR group. Only one mage and rest are light tanks or full tanks. PBAE is also an option but since resist buffs, RAs, SC, DDs aren't as good as they used to. Fully balanced RR5 group of Hibernians or Albions has around 40-60% Spirit, or any other type of damage.

I don't really think there's a need for nerfing, I'd rather see them boosting CD and DW damage.

Or I'm just talking outta my ass, dunno. Morning thoughts.

 

[Eleasias]

everyone look! KRON IS TALKING OUT OF HIS ASS!

 

[Damon_D]

Actualy he is talking sence for once..they should not have nerfed LA but tweek'd the others..but thats whole 2 things..that we realy cant do..Feeking mythic lazy arses

 

[Freppe^^]

"Please someone show me a log of where Doublefrost or snowblind (two anytime styles) produce a 1k hit. It simply such a rare if not Near impossible damage amount to pull off." <- quote from the boards.

Well i have been hit several times with that amount of dmg. And now im spose to show ya 1 pic of that...

But anyways, zerker dmg is abit high yes but no need to nerf that much imo. I rather see they raise my dmg since it suxs..

 

[kr0n]

Vendo mode and ~70%+ crit? :/ Talking about basedamage here.