Time to leave Albion and this server I think

[listepik]

and chod, for your information:

when surs fell, i was in adribards. it took me some time to actually suicide (grey cons hit like girls ;[ ).

i'd estimate 5 minutes.

add the time it takes to ride from Ludlow to Sauvage, and you got the delay time. approx 10 minutes?

When i arrived, there were already people gathering up getting ready to go, and as Euph said, we got the remaining 90% of the pad to follow troup. at this point berkstead was falling, and Bold rapidly after.


the distress call, i didnt hear, until about 30 secs before Sursbrooke fell.

Please. take some time to do the math here. Albion did, for once, REALLY well. there were no slagging, and no lazy arses (except the odd 5-10% of the emain force). Im not saying that your frustration is wrong. im simply saying, that you may not have considered all the facts. 40 minutes is a long time. i agree. too long. but once people realized what was actually going on, it took very little time mustering a relic sized defence.

 

[cHodAX]

OK bear with me and please read all the way through. Liste mate I didn't just do the math I was living it, the first shout went out for help as Choppy tried to solo defend Beno and eventually died to a second wave of Hibs. The first wave of Hibs had died on the lord and a second group arrived 10 minutes later. Beno had level 1 doors.

In total beno took 25 minutes to fall. Choppy then /released and ran from P. Bridge with Musashi to Surs after stopping at Excal for wood, that is about a 15 minute run for a cleric agreed? Just as they arrived Eras fell to Hibs and we recieved 2 more Albs to help defend at around the same time.

Next Mus and Chops had been at for Surs 10 minutes upgrading the doors before the first Nightshade showed up followed shortly by the main force. From the first minute that Beno was attacked we had been asking on /as for help and to spread the word that around 30 hibs were attacking, in total from first attack on Beno and the /as request for help to the first attack at Sursbrooke a period of approx 50 minutes had passed.

Sursbrooke was then defended by around 8 Albs for a further 30-40 minutes, the second huge wave of Hibs arrived totalling the force to over 60. Sursbrooke fell within 2 minutes of thier arrival.

Even with approximate figures it was around 1.5 hours that we were asking for urgent help during which time we had 5 reinforcements. That is a shocking amount of time to respond when you consider that 30 Hibs were chain attacking keeps and their numbers had been confirmed well over an hour before.

As you said yourself Liste when you arrived at Sausage many Albs were actually on the portal heading away from Albion to emain even though we had lost 4 keeps and 60+ Hibs were now confirmed at Berks.

Why were those people on the portal leaving Albion when we were under heavy assualt Liste? Why did only 5 people respond to a distress call in well over an hour? These are the questions every Alb has to ask themselves because sooner or later that delay will cost us both relic and then it really is the end for Albion.

 

[old.Kladen]

why dont you form an organisation that has a job to take keeps back. maybe not a guild but a group of people (like PARP)

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson


I was wondering when that would show up

better than "when my merc is 50..." though

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by old.Kladen
why dont you form an organisation that has a job to take keeps back. maybe not a guild but a group of people (like PARP)

I understand what you are getting at Kladen but really isn't that what alliances are for anyway. It is not as if guilds can fight each other, alliances are purely for events and organising RvR.

 

[Turamber]

Well I logged Turamber on tonight for the first time in a week. To find 40 Albs running from 20 Mids, to find groups in Emain wandering around not using the chat group which had been wisely set up by Walker ... ignoring requests for help or backup, letting ourselves be eaten up by lower numbers of the enemy.

Sure we all have bad nights from time to time, but its so depressing and just not fun

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by n3wbie


better than "when my merc is 50..." though

Whats the matter can't get 2 lv50s yourself?

 

[Casbardh]

Chodax - I stood beside you and all the other brave defenders of Caer Sursbrooke.

We died, and we died defending our realm.

Let me tell you of a story today...

The Hibs came back - took Beno. An Albion retake group (3 multi guild, multi-alliance groups strong) formed up and moved out.

We then out-planned (second guessed the Hibs moves) and slaughtered them against the walls of the keep they were attacking, like the dogs they were. Their Ram was but balsa wood to our blades.

I would say that greatness in valour and effort lies in Albion. Your staunch views are proof of this - you are willing to go out there and do it.

I think better times are coming. A new spirit, I hope, will burn in Albion - and it is worth waiting to see.

Dont go! Staunch defender. You are only acting on our enemies whims! Do not be forced by the pressures of the enemy realm to doff your cap and say goodbye !

 

[maxgirth]

Nipped in the bud

Aye,what a difference a day makes,a small but well organised army that basically got together as soon as the Hibbs have Beno alarm bells went ringing,they didn`t know what hit them at Surs,
then a quick sprint to Beno to return it to our crafters,I think I actually saw Boney smiling at that point (may have been a trick of the light though)

Well done all,my sense of realm pride flowing back as we decimated thier ram

 

[Wicoa]

Chodax dont get all steamed up mate.... I know some people can be more willing to help than others but.......

Hibbies usually like to take a keep and defend it to farm rps... you can't take a keep from hibbies without very careful planning. Breaking down doors and storming in is like the home alone movies. When hibs in particular storm our frontier we take notice and are ready for action but won't rush to get farmed.

The other night hibbies went nutz cause we killed them at the legion (this was a true game moment for me). They went so mad they rampaged our frontier, they got to excaliber. When they made a slight go for us we stormed into their ranks and absolutely slaughtered them. The force was put together very quickly and moved in such a way that makes you feel proud to be albion.

 

[Venemous]

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Take a break....

 

[case-rigantis]

I`d have come to help and probably brought a few with me too however unfortunatly i can`t afford "psychic knowledge" realm ability yet
and untill one of our alliance does (2nd biggest in albion) we`ll be forever out of the loop

you talk about calls for help but i saw nothing on alliance chat soooo

 

[Gabrial]

You ever need me to defend you call - I'll come running from whereever I am, whenever I'm on. I may only be level 29 but I can heal and rezz inside a keep.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by case-rigantis
I`d have come to help and probably brought a few with me too however unfortunatly i can`t afford "psychic knowledge" realm ability yet
and untill one of our alliance does (2nd biggest in albion) we`ll be forever out of the loop

you talk about calls for help but i saw nothing on alliance chat soooo

Yep that is a problem Case, I did ask for word to be spread to the other alliances but I was so busy dodging nightshades I couldn't get minute free to check who was doing what. We were constantly asking for help on /as and the response from EC memebers was extremely disappointing, when I did a /who emain there were 7 EC lvl40+ players in emain who did not respond to our requests.

 

[blaien Kayy]

Chod m8 dont leave us.I only just started hitting the frontiers with you whos going to taxi me around when your gone

 

[wyleia]

Doing /who emain and asking for help are two quite different things... Also getting word out to all the guilds. If you expect all of albion to come help you, you need to send mass messages to as many people as you can from the different guilds. /who emain then start to message the people in emain and let them know we are under attack in our own frontier... A while back when we noticed a 40+ mid group in our frontier that had taken two keeps, that was the first thing i did was message all 30 people in emain telling them that a good size mid zerg was about to take all our keeps.. and people came..

But I would have to agree with Case... We dont have psychic powers to know when things are under attack. At the very least when you want all of albion to come help you, do /who on some of the larger guilds.... or /who 50 and get them to announce the threat to their alliances...

And people need to come in groups able of defending themselves on the way to the keeps... Too many times ive seen people run to help in groups of 2-4 and get wasted by patrolling baddies or stealthers watching the road.

Of course if you do not have the time to send out an alert, I would assume someone in your alliance could (there are people in guilds who are still too small for RvR but can come in handy relaying messages), or call upon your alliance to get their butts out there themselves to help you... If you cant get this support for no good reason then perhaps you are in the wrong guild/alliance.


Wyleia Mythweaver
Sorc of The 30
http://www.the30.org.uk

 

[case-rigantis]

for the record i`ll always come and help out i`f i`m available (pretty much whenever so message one of our guild and we`ll come a running Chodax like i said before we`re a member of the cthulu knights alliance which is second biggest in terms of numbers in alb and i`d be happy to put an alliance wide call out for help

asking individuals isn`t really the answer to keep defences you need to be requesting help from the GM`s online so they can arrange a decent force.

 

[Old Nicodemus]

<Hands cHodAX a lit pipe, sits down and says in really bad Albian..>

Stirred up a hornets nest cHo... Nearly as good as a middie thread!

Nicodemus

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by old.Nicodemus /Pryd
<Hands cHodAX a lit pipe, sits down and says in really bad Albian..>

Stirred up a hornets nest cHo... Nearly as good as a middie thread!

Nicodemus

Aye Nic thats the problem lots of excuses, you only need RR1 to see keeps are falling but people say you have to /send guildleaders and ask them to help because they are not psychic even though /realm works damn well. Pretty hard to /send people when you have 4 Nightshades after you as you are trying to keep PBT over you people in your group and at the same time damage buff the guards.

None of this changes the MOST important fact that every 15 minutes Albions were porting to Emain and Odins rather than defend the realm, have you noticed none of them can give a valid reason for that?

 

[Danya]

People seem to think "The forces of Hibernia have captured Caer Benowyc" means, "Go to emain and farm!!", rather than "Your realm is under attack, go defend". It's sad, and what even more sad is the dedicated defenders get pissed off and quit, then the emain rp-whores bitch about loosing relics that they couldn't be arsed to defend...

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Dannyn
People seem to think "The forces of Hibernia have captured Caer Benowyc" means, "Go to emain and farm!!", rather than "Your realm is under attack, go defend". It's sad, and what even more sad is the dedicated defenders get pissed off and quit, then the emain rp-whores bitch about loosing relics that they couldn't be arsed to defend...

You said in one paragraph what i have been trying to say in 6-7 posts bud, that is whole truth of the matter.

 

[j000 d000d]

Hib has had Bledmeer for a whole day yesterday.... don't know if we still have it now.... there were no defenders all day.... seems like it's not only Albion who care about retaking their keeps

 

[Venemous]

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The relics have far to little effect on the individual performance in RvR... If they made them of more importance then maybe people would actually care who had them.

 

[cHodAX]

You wouldn't say that if Hibs had all 3 power relics and Mids had all 3 strength relics. You think PBAE is evil now try it when it does 15% more damage every 2 seconds. Azal's damage cap is about 860 I belive, would you like to raise that by another 129 so he hits for 989 on casters and pretty much oneshots any caster in the game not like he doesn't do that alot already anyway.

Also take our 2 strength relics away and every melee class in the realm will be up in arms, quite frankly we aren't exactly winning this 3 way battle already, take away 20% extra melee damage and we may as well all just form a line, sit down and let them smash our faces in.

 

[agraucred]

Re: ...

Originally posted by Venemous
The relics have far to little effect on the individual performance in RvR... If they made them of more importance then maybe people would actually care who had them.

couldnt agree more. i never saw any kind of benifit when we had all but one relic, other than it annoying the other realms a little. they need to play a bigger part in the game rather than them simply being like trophies, noone is going to put in as much effort as they should if there is no real gain from it.

[edit] posted at same time as cHoD.

personally ive not seen any difference with the relics. i remember when Mids had all of them i think... was towards the start. i saw no real loss then, same as i saw no real gain of having 5/6. it would be better if having certain relics unlocked certain abilites whilst they are being held by your realm...

 

[Danya]

I noticed a bit of difference on my hib casters on excal when we went from 3 to 2 and back to 3 power relics...

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by Euthanasia.
so the fact that the number of albs in emain diminished is cos they were getting out to sauvage and trying to clear the roads of the mids/hibs like ziggy said..it's pretty hard to get out to the keeps to defend em when sauvage road is blocked

Come across this with Hibs all the time when making their way to Emain or keep defence.

Alliance: "1fg of <Insert Realm> camping the road outside Ligen! Can't get to Emain! Need help to move them!"

You guys do realise that you aren't actually limited to using the road, and that there are 2 exits from the main realm into the frontier?

Rather than spending half an hour trying to move enemies camping Sauvage, leave by Snowdonia. 5 minutes on a horse, another 5 to make sure everyone is there, and then 5 minutes to the target keep.

That simple.

Or else... go ROUND the enemy sitting on the road playing Twister while waiting for you guys to decide to move out in groups of 2 or 3 people so they can pick you off.

Get a Minstrel and a Scout with True Sight into a group, use True Sight, and the scout drives. Go along the zonewall if needed.

Also, Chodax, I seriously doubt Locomo was doing what you say he was. He's my GM, and I have played with him since the retail release, infact, I joined HDS before he took over his arranged of GM in retail. Never has Loco acted like that, and he's usually the first one to get pissed off at people doing that. I would be very surprised and shocked if he was jumping on corpses

Even though I wasn't there, /salute to anyone who chooses to defend a keep when so severely outnumbered.

Sad to hear you guys aren't staying, and that you wasted your gold trying to buy time for reinforcements to arrive.

Wicoa
When they made a slight go for us we stormed into their ranks and absolutely slaughtered them.

Actually, the 80 Hibs ran right over the Albion defence at Excalibur, and reached the walls. The you got a guard spawn and reinforcements, and the defenders, who were cowering in the keep after being pushed back by less Hibs than themselves, decided to charge then. Yet we still took a third of you with us when outnumbered 2:1 + guards, even after the initial victory over your forces on the outskirts of Excalibur and the Hibs being res sick, low on power, and having used most of our Active RA's.

If you had have moved when we started taking the keps you could have stopped us at Surs due to the fact we took Beno with no rams, Eras with no rams, dandered back to Beno to get rams, and then moved on Surs, taking about an hour and a half between geting Beno and getting Surs, with VERY little sign of the Albs until we reached Excalibur.

And if it hadn't have been for the Mids camping HMG in HW we would have had reinforcements and it would have been an even closer fight.

Also, that was a spur of the moment raid, an organised one would have had 3x the amount of Hibs, and we actually would have had rams with us, and have all your keeps in half an hour, defenders or not.

/salute the Albs who do respond quickly to their keeps being taken.

But the opinion in Hib is that if we take an Alb keep, you Albs don't care and won't bother to try and take it back for at least 4 hours or until it's 4am and there are no Hibs logged on.

Yes, you REALLY don't want us to get any other realms relics, but you guys need to start actually acting like a realm, and not being divided into people who care and those who are only there to notch up RP's. Point of the game: To help your realm win. Apparent point of Albion: to get the most frags per death ratio.

 

[Venemous]

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grey,
That would be awesome if the realm with the most relics had thier realm abilities turned on.... We'd have much more organised realm warfare...peoiple would have a reason to attack and defend, rather than just to increase thier rp total....At the moment your RA determines your chance of winning a fight much more than just 5 10 or 15% damage here or there....... I mean visiting the smith often helps more than capturing a strength relic...

 

[cHodAX]

Usp I am not lying to you, he personally did /laugh at me and I have nothing to gain by lying about it. Many times on these froums I have praised Hibernia and its players for the honour and attitude they have shown, I honestly think they have the best realm spirit I have seen on any server. Hibernians don't need to /laugh and jump on anyones corpses and it saddens me to see one of thier best players do it

Also thanks for clarifing the events that night Usp, so many Albions have said I was wrong about the time scale and I lied about the numbers etc etc...

Anyway I am not playing right now, I intend to let a few good friends take Chodax for a ride and see if they like the class. After that I will start money farming and helping my guild for a while and then give PvP a try. If the PvP isn't to my taste the I will most likely /wave DAoC and head off to pastures new.

That night at Sursbrooke and some of the flames in this thread have left me with a very bad taste in mouth regarding Albion and the game in general.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by vidx
Rather than spending half an hour trying to move enemies camping Sauvage, leave by Snowdonia. 5 minutes on a horse, another 5 to make sure everyone is there, and then 5 minutes to the target keep.

That simple.

Well it's more like a 15-20 minute trip to snowdonia, then half the people don't know wtf they're going once we get there, there's a lot more aggro moving through snowdonia than sauvage too.