Those who want a co-op server - vote for it here!

[Svartmetall]

http://camelot-europe.goa.com/en/home.php

Click on the 'Polls' thingy, and vote for the server type you want. Nice to see GOA doing this sort of thing.



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[Ormorof]

werent the polls bugged so people could access your account details?

 

[Poag]

werent the polls bugged so people could access your account details?

iirc that was Mythic NOT GOA

also that polls be up for awhile unless they changed it recently...onward!

 

[Nxs]

Polls have been up for so long now - nothing has come of them IMO, sorry but this is nothing new.

Co-op server would be great, RvR is just a sad joke now with Hibernia's classes but given the choices im sure the majority would go for Home Invasion server, nothing like ganking some greys as they level.

Ahh well.....

 

[Ormorof]

and hasnt that poll been there for almost a year now?

 

[Zebolt]

and hasnt that poll been there for almost a year now?

Aye, it has ^^

 

[IainC]

It has been there a while, but this is the way we tap into the whole playerbase. A few posters ona forum can make more noise about an issue (any issue - I'm not saying that Svart and co are especially noisy) than the issue merits and provide a skewed perspective. Also not all (in fact not even most) of the playerbase are regular FH posters so we use this long term poll to get an idea of where the players want to go, what they want to see and how popular an idea really is.

 

[Oro]

Interesting. The Co-op/PvP server I've been banging on about was an option on the list: PvE accessable to all 3 realms and PvP in the frontier areas.

I would definately play a server like that.

 

[Damon_D]

Interesting. The Co-op/PvP server I've been banging on about was an option on the list: PvE accessable to all 3 realms and PvP in the frontier areas.

I would definately play a server like that.

would be a nifty thing..

Pure PvE co-op ..no thx

 

[Solarius]

Thats a suggestion Svart made a while ago, and yep I'd give that much more than the cursory glance I've given Caamlan

 

[Tasslehoff]

I think the home-invasion server sounds great

Always been wanting to do that

 

[Ormorof]

aye home invasion server.... abit of raping and pillaging has always tickled my fancy!

 

[harebear]

tbh just make it so you can invade other realms on our server once you got like 100+ people

 

[Ctuchik]

make it 200+ ppl and i might concider playing on it.. 100 ppl is albs every day zerg fgs...

 

[Nimah™]

plz plz can i have a co-op server, id love to farm DF 24/7 with some middy m8s!!!!!1 we can keep farming and farming until we got so many plats we can buy.. a house.. and some trophies/few glowies and maybe.. just maybe.. an artifact!!1.. omg, co-op server would eventually suck arse, u'll be begging for the close down of it

log onto the server, "lo m8, what u up to?" - "killing mobs" - "ah nice"

 

[Skaven]

log onto the server, "lo m8, what u up to?" - "killing mobs" - "ah nice"

As opposed to the PvP server -

log onto server
attempt to train
die
/release
/quit.

 

[Vyc]

Some people find PvE fun you know

 

[Path]

a PvE/PvP hybrid; PvP in the frontiers, PvE everywhere else (obviously including porting between realms, crossgrouping and such). Obviously a system to avoid PK camping and such would have to be designed, but the concept's there to be used (who actually wants to PvE in the frontier zones anyway ).

 

[Svartmetall]

a PvE/PvP hybrid; PvP in the frontiers, PvE everywhere else (obviously including porting between realms, crossgrouping and such). Obviously a system to avoid PK camping and such would have to be designed, but the concept's there to be used

I really can't see this hybrid co-op/PvE server idea working. You'd be trying to force the two most inimical types of play to co-exist on one server - the gank/grief 'PWN PWN PWN' approach of a PvP server with the 'relaxed friendly fun' approach of a co-op server.
All that would happen is the PvP players would stay in the frontier zones PvPing, and the co-op players would never go into the frontier zones because of the endless ganking/griefing there - just the sort of thing you play on a co-op server to get away from. It wouldn't work, the cumulative effect would be of a co-op server with unusable frontier zones. And frontier zones are where you get your RPs on a co-op server.
And besides, there already is a PvP server.

...who actually wants to PvE in the frontier zones anyway?

The same people who want to PvE everywhere else.

I think the home-invasion server sounds great

Yes, when I first heard about this (well over a year ago, it's not a new idea) I thought so too, then I thought about it a bit more.
You'd have mega-zergs trying to get into the home realms - cue endless server crashes, because if ML4.2 crashes the servers, then a full-on invasion force is going to melt them.
You'd have l337 gank squads logging out inside the enemy realm - cue massive grey-ganking in areas where lowbies are trying to level, as the same people who enjoy grey-ganking in DF log back in at prime-time to do it in groups in a target-rich environment. Slaughtering helpless grey-cons may be fun for a certain type of cowa...er, player, but it would be no fun for the helpless grey-cons involved. Cue zero new people coming to the server after a few days of this.
In terms of server population, particularly long-term server population, it would work in exactly the same way as Camlann's traditional welcome works, i.e. gank-/release-gank-/release-gank-/quit.


Also, I don't see all that much point voting for a server type here in Europe that even Mythic haven't coded yet.
How likely is it that GOA would provide a server type that US players don't have, when they don't yet even provide all the choices US players do have (remember, we don't have a Euro roleplay server either)...? Mythic aren't going to spend ages coding together a totally new gametype just for GOA.
Yes, obviously I'm evangelising for a co-op server because it's the type I personally want more than anything else...and I know a lot of other players would be very interested in one based on the opinions of people I talk to in-game - if most people I spoke to went "co-op? Nah mate, don't want it", I'd have given up on this a long time ago, but a lot of people I talk to are very interested in one...but think about it: on purely practical grounds it's far more likely that any new server type we get here in Europe will be one for which code and rulesets already exist...i.e. co-op.



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[GReaper]

I really can't see this hybrid co-op/PvE server idea working. You'd be trying to force the two most inimical types of play to co-exist on one server - the gank/grief 'PWN PWN PWN' approach of a PvP server with the 'relaxed friendly fun' approach of a co-op server.
All that would happen is the PvP players would stay in the frontier zones PvPing, and the co-op players would never go into the frontier zones because of the endless ganking/griefing there - just the sort of thing you play on a co-op server to get away from. It wouldn't work, the cumulative effect would be of a co-op server with unusable frontier zones. And frontier zones are where you get your RPs on a co-op server.
And besides, there already is a PvP server.

It might actually tempt more people than you think.

People would be able to safely level to 50 in any realm with a wide variety of places and classes to choose from. Once they hit 50 they can kill anyone in the frontier zones if they want to. It would remove the annoying part of PvP for many people (the fact its damn awkward to exp on the server), whilst still allowing people to PvP when they choose.

They'd have to give an alternative way of getting realm points though, as you said the frontiers on Gaheris are the PvE encounters for RPs.

 

[Svartmetall]

It might actually tempt more people than you think.

People would be able to safely level to 50 in any realm with a wide variety of places and classes to choose from. Once they hit 50 they can kill anyone in the frontier zones if they want to. It would remove the annoying part of PvP for many people (the fact its damn awkward to exp on the server), whilst still allowing people to PvP when they choose.

In general I think people who want a co-op server just aren't interested in PKing...at all. That's kind of the whole point. It just feels to me like trying to bolt on a section of a totally different gametype just for the sake of it.

They'd have to give an alternative way of getting realm points though, as you said the frontiers on Gaheris are the PvE encounters for RPs.

Yep, which would mean even more coding headaches.

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[Nimah™]

As opposed to the PvP server -

log onto server
attempt to train
die
/release
/quit.

hence why i dont play it

 

[Oro]

Actually, what a Co-op/PvP server would give is most likely a controlled guild war. You could actually have set piece Fg vs FG fights between guilds a bit like duels.

Tbh that would fucking rock.

 

[Grymdaal]

Actually, what a Co-op/PvP server would give is most likely a controlled guild war. You could actually have set piece Fg vs FG fights between guilds a bit like duels.

Tbh that would fucking rock.

a co-op would be more popular than the forum whiners would think... and the add-on of guild wars would rock..yes!! hehe just like ultima online had guild vs guild and it worked well there...especially for the Roleplayers etc.. but a co-op with PvP mix in frontiers is dumb... co-op is about PvE..not RvR.. the guild thing could work.. but only because its controlled and only those who WANT to take part do... a co-op would definately make me /char copy.. aslong as that was part of the deal...a one time /char copy of ONE char from your account.. id definately move over fulltime.

 

[Svartmetall]

a co-op would be more popular than the forum whiners would think

Absolutely...I suspect a lot more popular.

I'd definitely move over fulltime.

I fear, much as I love my guild on Excal, I would too. With or without /charcopy. A co-op would just be too good to miss.

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[Yussef]

Frontiers have fuck all good content anyway. Co-Op/PvP mix will provide a larger player base than a pure Co-Op server. PvP orientated guilds will need high end equipment/ML's due to the PvE playerbase running them and it is likely that PvP guilds would attend. Or they just would want the advantage anyway. Which would provide more players to suit the PvE'rs needs. The group possibilities are amazing. More people would be able to achieve 50 and explore all three realm's content compared to a PvP server. A PvE server only offers a different RA approach and "friendly frontiers". There is much more benefit to a larger playerbase with this ruleset.

Some people would agree that regular servers would have been better with that ruleset originally, especially RvR guilds. As population of a "realm" is not an issue and fights would be more frequent.

My Gaheris experiences sucked, I find a PvE server pointless if you are not raiding. Not just exping to 50 then re rolling and so forth.

 

[Totyn]

I think the PvE server with PvP in the frontiers would be a great idea. Those who wants to PvE could stay in the PvE zones and those who wants to PvP could just do it in the frontiers. I would never play a PvE only server, played too much EQ for that, endless mob killing and no challenge at all, you know what the mobs will do all the time and you get tired of it fast.

 

[Svartmetall]

So how do you solve the problem of RAs...? I still think this comes down to trying to impose a PvP 'area' onto a co-op server when there's simply no need for it. I say again, co-op players do not want to PK. At all. Wny spoil/compromise a pure co-op server with unnecessary PvP when there already is a PvP server?

Frontiers have fuck all good content anyway.

Matter of opinion.

The group possibilities are amazing also, better for more people to achieve 50 also.

The group possibilities on this hypothetical co-op/PvP mix server are exactly the same as on a normal co-op server.

As population of a "realm" is not an issue and fights would be more frequent.

Fights between who? You'd just get the same PvP guilds fighting the same PvP guilds over and over, 'cos the PvE players wouldn't be interested. It would basically be making the frontier areas unusable for the majority of players on the server for no good reason.
If you want guild-based 8 vs. 8 action, you can do it right now on Camlann.

I find a PvE server pointless if you are not raiding.

...er...why would you roll on a co-op server if you don't want to raid...?

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[Yussef]

No frontier mobs have worthwhile loot, name a few worthwhile items. Also the majority, if not all of the mobs can be found inrealm, I'm not sure how the keep xp bonus works on Gaheris.

The group possibilities are the same, but my comparision was against a PvP server and not a PvE server.

You would not have the same PvP guilds fighting one another, as you cannot attack realm guilds now.

Your last comment about raiding was not a common belief on Gaheris :|

Also the 30 free RSP's could be implemented and make the rest of the RA's be obtainable via PvP. That would be decent enough.

 

[Svartmetall]

Those who wants to PvE could stay in the PvE zones and those who wants to PvP could just do it in the frontiers.

Those who want to PvP have a whole server to do it on available to them, right now.

Those who want a co-op server currently have nothing available to them.

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