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[Raven]

Ex-union boss Len McCluskey took private jet flights arranged by building firm, report finds

The ex-Unite chief enjoyed flights arranged by the firm building a controversial hotel, report seen by BBC says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Shocked, shocked and amazed.

 

[Jupitus]

Ex-union boss Len McCluskey took private jet flights arranged by building firm, report finds

The ex-Unite chief enjoyed flights arranged by the firm building a controversial hotel, report seen by BBC says.

www.bbc.co.uk

Shocked, shocked and amazed.

Yeah - who ever would have thought he was on the take, eh? Nah... really? Who????

 

[Raven]

I just ate a hole packet of sweet and salty Tim Tams.

 

[Tom]

The only problem I see with tackling illegal scooters and e-bikes is that they don't do it enough.

The issue is that the law is outdated and making it impossible to use forms of transport that are cleaner, cheaper, safer, and better for society.

 

[Tom]

E Bikes should require insurance

Ebikes are limited to 15kph assist and are no different than bicycles. You probably mean electric motorcycles.

 

[Scouse]

Ebikes are limited to 15kph assist and are no different than bicycles. You probably mean electric motorcycles.

Yes, but in cities (and even on the mountains near me) a fuck of a lot of 'em are chipped.

Remember @Job and his uninsured 50mpg "ebike"? It's really common.

The rest? 15mph is basically zero risk - and that's proven in the DFT accident stats. Two deaths a year from all bikes on average.

 

[MYstIC G]

Ebikes are limited to 15kph assist and are no different than bicycles. You probably mean electric motorcycles.

Anything that delivers power to the wheels has a motor tbh

 

[Scouse]

Anything that delivers power to the wheels has a motor tbh

Whilst from a sporting point of view I agree with you (I'm a "hater" apparently) - from a danger point of view I don't.

A toothbrush has a motor. Feck, my lawnmower has a motor - and my lawnmower is more dangerous than a (legal) ebike.

 

[MYstIC G]

Whilst from a sporting point of view I agree with you (I'm a "hater" apparently) - from a danger point of view I don't.

A toothbrush has a motor. Feck, my lawnmower has a motor - and my lawnmower is more dangerous than a (legal) ebike.

Do you lawnmow with other people on a public highway? Does your toothbrush have wheels?

Would you like another go at baiting the hook?

 

[Raven]

Ebikes are limited to 15kph assist and are no different than bicycles. You probably mean electric motorcycles.

Soft limited. I can get a plug and play throttle for mine, off ebay.

Edit, and I happen to think all ebikes should have the option to be full battery up to 15mph, it would get a lot more people out of cars, and perhaps encourage more people to cycle.

 

[Scouse]

Would you like another go at baiting the hook?

I wasn't. You implied because it had a motor it was dangerous.

My point about lawnmowers wasn't frivolous - lawnmowers are responsible for more hospital admissions each year than bikes. In terms of actual deaths? It's likely that lawnmowers cause more deaths than ebikes (especially if you discount owners killing themselves by smashing themselves into walls or burning their own houses down because of lithium ion fires - deaths to other people from bikes is vanishingly rare).

If they're legal - they're simply not a problem.

Soft limited.

This, however, is a problem.

Manufacturers make sales because they can be jailbreaked. Government knows this but isn't doing anything about it.

 

[Raven]

I wasn't. You implied because it had a motor it was dangerous.

My point about lawnmowers wasn't frivolous - lawnmowers are responsible for more hospital admissions each year than bikes. In terms of actual deaths? It's likely that lawnmowers cause more deaths than ebikes (especially if you discount owners killing themselves by smashing themselves into walls or burning their own houses down because of lithium ion fires - deaths to other people from bikes is vanishingly rare).

If they're legal - they're simply not a problem.


This, however, is a problem.

Manufacturers make sales because they can be jailbreaked. Government knows this but isn't doing anything about it.

Mine is American, sold with the throttle, to sell it in the UK, they simply took it off. It has the mounting points etc already on the bike.

The amount of kids I see with clearly full electric bikes is absurd...plus all the delivery riders in town. They are openly sold on Facebook and the like.

 

[Embattle]

Former Wigan Athletic youth player jailed for mowing down pensioner

Margaret Scaldwell, 70, says her life was ruined when she was struck by the e-bike in Wigan in 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

Former Wigan Athletic youth player jailed for mowing down pensioner

Margaret Scaldwell, 70, says her life was ruined when she was struck by the e-bike in Wigan in 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

Epic fail there @Embattle.

If you'd bothered to read your own article you'd have seen it was an electric motorbike, with a top speed of 55mph, and had a passenger on it, they were speeding and the bike was tampered with and fucked.

People do indeed get killed in collisions with motorbikes too. E- or not. This should never really have been a news article but for the fact that it was a Wigan Athletic player. It's just a collision with a motorbike.

Do try at least at a cursory level to use actual evidence rather than "my granny smoked and lived to 100" arguments...

 

[Scouse]

To be fair though, the quality of reporting in that article is shocking.

They're talking about these, and these sorts of arseholes who ride them:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWkQyLwr5c

They're motorbikes. End of.

They're not these things - which I absolutely hate - but still, they're not the same things:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdjrO_OwIeE


Neil Donoghue riding an ebike up Snowdon is a thing which is acceptable. He's an ex racer, knows his shit, knows how to handle the thing. But any arsehole can now race up Snowdon, when without the electric motor they'd never even have walked up it. And whilst most are fine, some come down not giving a shit.

I'm with @Tom - I think they're a great thing if they replace cars. But unless you've got a disability I think you're a bit of a fat lazy fuck. I know they're a hell of a lot of fun and you can do more downs in a day than on a normal bike, but there's just no way they exist without bringing arseholes to places there previously weren't arseholes.

 

[Embattle]

Technically, when you tamper with a EAPC, they fall into the same category as a motorcycle.

 

[Scouse]

Technically, when you tamper with a EAPC, they fall into the same category as a motorcycle.

As I've been talking to Raven about, clearly.

But the news link you provided wasn't an EAPC (a term you just googled) - it was to was to a motorcycle.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=sP4NMoJcFd4

 

[Tom]

Soft limited. I can get a plug and play throttle for mine, off ebay.

Edit, and I happen to think all ebikes should have the option to be full battery up to 15mph, it would get a lot more people out of cars, and perhaps encourage more people to cycle.

You can do all kinds of things to all kinds of vehicles and become instantly illegal. Someone on a CBT can take a passenger - illegal. Can modify the bike to increase power beyond the licence restrictions - illegal.

There are a few things we can do to deal with these illegal motorcycles. One, is the end the gig economy and force delivery companies to make riders staff, rather than contractors. That would immediately make it much more difficult for people to subcontract their rider account. It'd also make it harder for illegal immigrants to do cash jobs. Two, we could simply ban the Sur-Rons and the like. We already ban things like the Tesla Cybertruck for not complying with UK law, there's no reason these motorbikes can't also go that way.

Eventually electric scooters will be legalised. I've just returned from Belgium, in the cities they are everywhere, they're so damn useful and cheap for people, it's stupid to keep them outside the law. Force people to wear a basic helmet with them and restrict them to 15mph or something. And if people complain about them on the pavement? Well that's really easy - force them to use cycleways. Which you then build (they're not nearly as expensive as you'd think).

 

[Scouse]

Force people to wear a basic helmet

No no no. Fuck that.

I hate wearing a helmet on my bike so much I only wear it for going down hill at speed. Even today. I'm a head sweater and helmets make bikes utterly unbearable for me.

If some cunt ever makes helmet use mandatory (which has proven to be counter-productive healthwise on a population-scale, although some individuals suffer (their choice)) then all that'll happen is people like me will get regularly fined and extra abuse thrown at them from car drivers for not wearing a helmet.

I agree with everything else tho

Edit: Yeah, I know you didn't say bikes, but...

 

[Tom]

Bicycles don't need helmets, but I'm not sure about scooters. Their small wheels combined with the generally poor condition of roads in the UK doesn't make for a safe recipe IMO. Especially as many of their users will lack the balance that more experience cyclists will have.

 

[Embattle]

I've worn bicycle helmets for decades, they don't bother me in the slightest.

 

[Scouse]

I've worn bicycle helmets for decades, they don't bother me in the slightest.

That's nice for you. I'm jealous. It's a pain in the arse stopping, removing, replacing all the time.

 

[BloodOmen]

View: https://youtu.be/AukVofRrSP8


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXr_n5DuInQ



For Gunner and anyone else curious why Hogan is hated.

 

[gunner440]

View: https://youtu.be/AukVofRrSP8


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXr_n5DuInQ



For Gunner and anyone else curious why Hogan is hated.

Man sometimes I wish I knew less.

It feels like all the celebs I liked/looked up to for whatever reason are rapists, kiddy fiddler or some combination of something horrible.

Thanks for the videos

 

[BloodOmen]

Man sometimes I wish I knew less.

It feels like all the celebs I liked/looked up to for whatever reason are rapists, kiddy fiddler or some combination of something horrible.

Thanks for the videos

Aye, thats where the old saying comes from "Never meet your heroes" or in this case, learn about the real them.

 

[Scouse]

Think of the children!!! Being used again for censorship:

UK to see 6,000 porn sites verifying user age, Ofcom says

Despite the law some remain sceptical about the effectiveness of porn age checks.

www.bbc.co.uk

Especially when there is no actual evidence that porn availabiliy causes more harm than good.

It's just the new moral outrage in the modern age of censoriousness. And for people that'll actually bother to verify their age to access porn, their lives have become less safe, because now there's a pile of databases to be hacked with their personally identifiable information. And the UK is the first. Of course.

 

[BloodOmen]

Think of the children!!! Being used again for censorship:

UK to see 6,000 porn sites verifying user age, Ofcom says

Despite the law some remain sceptical about the effectiveness of porn age checks.

www.bbc.co.uk

Especially when there is no actual evidence that porn availabiliy causes more harm than good.

It's just the new moral outrage in the modern age of censoriousness. And for people that'll actually bother to verify their age to access porn, their lives have become less safe, because now there's a pile of databases to be hacked with their personally identifiable information. And the UK is the first. Of course.

Just the god squad trying to censor the public as per usual, same shit as using video games as scape goats just a different avenue.

Edit: Also a complete waste of money even pursuing it because its piss easy to get around

 

[Scouse]

its piss easy to get around

And they know this. So why are we still doing it?

Like the terror legislation Labour introduced under their last government, being massively misused:

UN human rights chief criticises 'disturbing' Palestine Action ban

Volker Turk urges the UK government to lift the "unnecessary" ban on the group.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Tom]

Just got confronted by an ID check for a Reddit subreddit. Installed a free VPN extension into Firefox. Changed location to USA. ID check gone. Total cost for me - 2 minutes of my time.