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[Raven]

The clue is in the name Labour. They used to represent the working classes (actual working class, not "working class") up until recently.

Then they stopped, then they imploded.

 

[Scouse]

I just don't understand the calls to cancel cancel culture politics, seems like a contradiction to me.

It's not "cancel culture politics" - it's just cancel culture. And pervades all walks of life, not just political.

And it's a fightback - not a call to cancel the cancellers through legal means. That's the problem with cancel culture - it ends up in the legislature. And when it doesn't, people get hounded out of their jobs - cancelled - for no other reason than a loud mob enforcing their morality.

And all the good-will and good-meaning and fantastic ideas that this mob have on how to change the world dies - their representatives are unelectable because all of those good ideas come with their version of morality attached.

 

[Scouse]

The clue is in the name Labour. They used to represent the working classes (actual working class, not "working class") up until recently.

Then they stopped, then they imploded.

This is largely true also. Which is why the actual working classes, the labourers, have abandoned labour.

 

[Wij]

Love him or loathe him, if "the people" want to be able to elect him, they should be able to do so (even if they're a bunch of rabid cancel-culture arseholes).

The problem they want to address is the entryism. Blatant opportunism by the SWP and the likes to temporarily register as Labour to put someone in its leadership who thinks more like they do and less like the majority of the long-standing membership.

And it might not be the far left next time. It could be one of the ‘traditional values workers parties’.

 

[Scouse]

The problem they want to address is the entryism. Blatant opportunism by the SWP and the likes to temporarily register as Labour to put someone in its leadership who thinks more like they do and less like the majority of the long-standing membership.

And it might not be the far left next time. It could be one of the ‘traditional values workers parties’.

I don't define that as a problem @Wij.

I define that as democracy. Inconvenient democracy, yes, but if people want to join a democratic institution and use their votes - and can do so in sufficient numbers to get their way, then "well done".

Might not like the outcome, but there's a proven method of fixing that - having opposing numbers enter and vote for what they want.

 

[Raven]

People need to check that their energy suppliers aren't going to the wall!

Mine, So Energy are apparently OK but keeping an eye on it.

This is why we can't afford to rely on other countries for our energy supply (in this case Russia) we need to get off the requirement for gas completely, not just for ecological reasons.

 

[Moriath]

People need to check that their energy suppliers aren't going to the wall!

Mine, So Energy are apparently OK but keeping an eye on it.

This is why we can't afford to rely on other countries for our energy supply (in this case Russia) we need to get off the requirement for gas completely, not just for ecological reasons.

Cant do much if yours is And you are in contract.

you wait and if they do then your account will be switched to another org who are probably one of the big six. Once you are transferred then you can look to move to a place thats of your choice.

 

[Raven]

I wouldn't give most of them the steam off my piss, I certainly won't be paying them any money if I am forced on to one of them. It will be instant change.

 

[Moriath]

Avro Energy and Green cease trading - here's what it means for your gas and electricity

Energy suppliers Avro Energy and Green have become the latest firms to cease trading, affecting more than 800,000 households. If you're with either firm, your energy supply will continue and credit balances are protected. But DON'T switch now – sit tight and wait until your new supplier has...

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[DaGaffer]

Once again everyone's fucked but the UK is extra super duper fucked

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OtF5sf0XM


It looks like things aren't quite as bad over here because all of the big suppliers arbitraged their gas purchases early, but we can still expect a minimum 20% price rise. I gather in the UK, 50% is closer to the mark. Fuck me.

 

[Gwadien]

Once again everyone's fucked but the UK is extra super duper fucked

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OtF5sf0XM


It looks like things aren't quite as bad over here because all of the big suppliers arbitraged their gas purchases early, but we can still expect a minimum 20% price rise. I gather in the UK, 50% is closer to the mark. Fuck me.

Stop your anti-brexit propaganda.

Boris said everything will be fine!

 

[Raven]

Wondered how long it would take Brexit to be shoehorned in

Energy crisis forces EU ministers to face up to reliance on natural gas

Analysis: As governments shield consumers against soaring prices, Russia and renewables are coming under scrutiny

www.theguardian.com

iTs bReXiT's fAuLt

 

[Ormorof]

Once again everyone's fucked but the UK is extra super duper fucked

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OtF5sf0XM


It looks like things aren't quite as bad over here because all of the big suppliers arbitraged their gas purchases early, but we can still expect a minimum 20% price rise. I gather in the UK, 50% is closer to the mark. Fuck me.

Is that metric % or imperial?!

 

[Bodhi]

People need to check that their energy suppliers aren't going to the wall!

Mine, So Energy are apparently OK but keeping an eye on it.

This is why we can't afford to rely on other countries for our energy supply (in this case Russia) we need to get off the requirement for gas completely, not just for ecological reasons.

Only realistic replacements for gas for energy generation are coal and nuclear. Coal is obviously a no no, nuclear would work but we'd need to get started pronto, so all we're really left with is gas. Weather dependent energy - or renewables I think they are called - is a complete and utter waste of time as we've seen over the last 3 weeks, and building more wind capacity will be as much use as a condom machine in the Vatican when the wind isn't blowing - like for the last 3 weeks.

Ideal plan would have been to invest in nuclear ages ago and leave gas for heating, sadly we missed that opportunity due to retards who thought Chernobyl could happen in the Western World. About the same time we decided gas storage wasn't required as gas was cheap (cheers Ed Davey!), and we could just import electricity from France, without concerning ourselves with what happens if the interconnect goes down for 6 months, like the one from France has.

Guess we better get fracking then.

 

[Raven]

It's like this whole lamb thing, the intellectually challenged are saying we could be exporting lamb to the EU and not the US/NZ

It's almost like they don't understand what a lamb actually is and at what time of the year they are born.

 

[caLLous]

Stop your anti-brexit propaganda.

Boris said everything will be fine!

More than fine, he literally said lower gas bills would be a benefit of Brexit before the referendum.

Flashback to when Johnson and Gove promised lower gas bills

Claims made by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove before the 2016 EU referendum that gas bills will be cheaper if Brits back Brexit resurfaced.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

They've left the EU's internal energy market which means they are decoupled from the linked auctions so, if energy prices were low, they could in theory benefit but if they're high, they end up paying even more than everybody else.

 

[Raven]

Yes, because they must have been able to predict a complete collapse in renewables, colder than average weather and Russian price fixing.

They are a set of cunts but Jesus.

They were also probably right, as the UK moves more away from gas (unlike our friends in the EU) gas prices will fall, it's how basic economics works. supply/demand.

 

[caLLous]

None of those circumstances are particularly exceptional. Nobody's saying Brexit is to blame but it's factual to say that EU members are far less exposed to wild price fluctuations due to market conditions.

We certainly wouldn't see situations like this:

 

[Wij]

I don't define that as a problem @Wij.

I define that as democracy. Inconvenient democracy, yes, but if people want to join a democratic institution and use their votes - and can do so in sufficient numbers to get their way, then "well done".

Might not like the outcome, but there's a proven method of fixing that - having opposing numbers enter and vote for what they want.

Then you don't understand what political parties are. They aren't supposed to be purely a franchise that anyone with any set of values can buy. Sometimes that's what they are but that's when we criticise them for selling out. You can't criticise them for that and then also say that's exactly what they are for.

 

[Embattle]

I just find it weird that people want the Labour party to be something they're not, for people that probably won't vote for them anyway.

The best result that you're all looking for is a split between the Labour party for a far left group that'll never get elected and a Tory-lite party that nobody will vote for anyway because you may as well vote for the Tories.

I probably align myself with the Lib Dems the most, I just don't understand the calls to cancel cancel culture politics, seems like a contradiction to me.

Or the party right now that never gets elected.

 

[Embattle]

None of those circumstances are particularly exceptional. Nobody's saying Brexit is to blame but it's factual to say that EU members are far less exposed to wild price fluctuations due to market conditions.

We certainly wouldn't see situations like this:

Gas price crisis: is Brexit, Russia or Covid-19 to blame?

The UK is uniquely exposed to a global problem.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[Embattle]

Why Europe’s electricity is so expensive

The main culprit is a surge in gas prices, and the market could face ‘further stress tests.’

www.politico.eu

 

[MYstIC G]

Avro Energy and Green cease trading - here's what it means for your gas and electricity

Energy suppliers Avro Energy and Green have become the latest firms to cease trading, affecting more than 800,000 households. If you're with either firm, your energy supply will continue and credit balances are protected. But DON'T switch now – sit tight and wait until your new supplier has...

www.moneysavingexpert.com

We're with green. Figured they were going to go out of business when they sent out an email the other day saying

Hello, We have zero confidence in Kwasi Kwarteng continuing to act as the Business Secretary in the UK, due to the lack of support towards energy suppliers and their customers. In recent news, Kwarteng has had meetings with Ofgem and with large energy suppliers - neglecting smaller suppliers, with customers totalling in the millions and thousands of staff members. Kwarteng said that small firms would be allowed to go bankrupt, with their customers auctioned off to the company prepared to offer them the cheapest rate (source). We believe that he is unfit for his current role and further action is needed to ensure that the energy market has adequate support. Due to current wholesale costs and the actions of Kwarteng, customers are most likely to see a big increase in the cost of powering their homes in the coming months. Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020. Recent articles: Four more small energy firms could go bust next week ‘I don’t think we’ll survive the winter’: a small energy supplier’s call for help Gas prices: Are energy bills going up and what can I do? U.K. Energy Firms Locked In Emergency Talks With Government Ofgem Letter (March 2020)​

​ Sign Petition​

Regards, The Team at Green​

The real shit in all this is that you can't move until they get mopped up and that will of course take long enough that we'll be having to switch after all the price caps have been jacked up

 

[DaGaffer]

I just find it weird that people want the Labour party to be something they're not, for people that probably won't vote for them anyway.

The best result that you're all looking for is a split between the Labour party for a far left group that'll never get elected and a Tory-lite party that nobody will vote for anyway because you may as well vote for the Tories.

I probably align myself with the Lib Dems the most, I just don't understand the calls to cancel cancel culture politics, seems like a contradiction to me.

The country voted for "Tory-lite" by a fucking landslide in 1997. I know @Scouse wants some idealised Labour that's a cross between Trotsky, Attlee and Black Flag, but back in the real world, "safe pair of hands that isn't the Tories" sounds pretty good to me. Unfortunately I don't think Starmer is it; he has the intellect but zero killer instinct.

 

[Tom]

The issue with Labour isn't actually with labour, it's with the stupid FPTP voting system we have.

Fix that and we can have a much more representative system of government.

 

[Moriath]

The issue with Labour isn't actually with labour, it's with the stupid FPTP voting system we have.

Fix that and we can have a much more representative system of government.

A lot more hung parliaments which will struggle to pass anything imo

 

[Moriath]

We're with green. Figured they were going to go out of business when they sent out an email the other day saying



The real shit in all this is that you can't move until they get mopped up and that will of course take long enough that we'll be having to switch after all the price caps have been jacked up

From what i heard a lot of the little companies with amazing deals were never a real viable business. It was short termism getting as many cuustomers as possible so they were attractive to be bought out by one of the big guys and the owners walk away with loadsa money.

seems to have back fired now tho. As they cant hang on long enough with prices as high as they are.

the customer is just a huge opportunity pool for a few companies to exploit.

 

[Gwadien]

From what i heard a lot of the little companies with amazing deals were never a real viable business. It was short termism getting as many cuustomers as possible so they were attractive to be bought out by one of the big guys and the owners walk away with loadsa money.

seems to have back fired now tho. As they cant hang on long enough with prices as high as they are.

the customer is just a huge opportunity pool for a few companies to exploit.

It's more likely that small businesses weren't expecting such a huge increase and they obviously can't compete with the big boys.

Unfortunately we have a Government that would rather us have less options.

 

[MYstIC G]

From what i heard a lot of the little companies with amazing deals were never a real viable business. It was short termism getting as many cuustomers as possible so they were attractive to be bought out by one of the big guys and the owners walk away with loadsa money.

seems to have back fired now tho. As they cant hang on long enough with prices as high as they are.

the customer is just a huge opportunity pool for a few companies to exploit.

I think it's got another side to it as well in that the big players want it to operate this way. It's easier to let someone else do all the running and take all the risk and then just pony up to buy customers on mass if successful.

They can also potentiality limit making big payouts for these companies if they're bank rolling them to begin with.

 

[Scouse]

"safe pair of hands that isn't the Tories" sounds pretty good to me

It doesn't to me. It sounds like the dems vs the republicans. I.E. not much difference between them, preservation of the status quo.

Problem is the status quo means inequality and, crucially, environmental devestation on a global scale.

So for me - we need radical change. It doesn't necessarily have to be leftist either. It just needs to be radically different - and "safe pair of hands" doesn't deliver that - it just delivers more of the same.