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[Wij]

Yes, potentially possible over long periods of time when an ecology has time to adapt. And, from your article, we're only beginning to understand it's huge importance in single-celled organisms.

We're not, however, talking about that. We're talking about wholesale human-induced gene transfer to change the characteristics of crops (and animals) at a pace that simply doesn't happen in the natural world with unknown knock-on consequences, and the potential mass-production of these gene-modified crops and animals to the detriment of natural species.

We barely understand the knock on effects of what we're doing with conventional agriculture - good and bad - so steaming ahead with deregulation over GMO is simply too risky.

Precautionary principle please.

(You seem very cavalier on this? Not saying "don't ever do it" - I'm saying "we don't need it right now - so lets learn shit, but not introduce wholesale to the wild")

Ah so it's the timescale that's the issue now?

We do all kinds of things to change the characteristics of crops all the time. What's special about HGT that means we have to be careful about introducing them into the wild beyond all the testing that is done? What's the extra risk?

 

[Scouse]

I don't think the current risks are acceptable - and the current known realities either.

Eg: we know monocultures and insecticide use has a hugely detrimental effect on biodiversity. The same goes for crops modified to resist "pests" - we use less chems, sure, but the results are similar.

We've got a well understood farming system which doesn't harm soil, isn't a monoculture, doesn't involve chemicals or gene editing that, if we adopted and adapted would feed us just fine, thankyouverymuch. - risk-free.

So I counter with: what's your rush with gmo?

 

[Wij]

I don't think the current risks are acceptable - and the current known realities either.

Eg: we know monocultures and insecticide use has a hugely detrimental effect on biodiversity. The same goes for crops modified to resist "pests" - we use less chems, sure, but the results are similar.

We've got a well understood farming system which doesn't harm soil, isn't a monoculture, doesn't involve chemicals or gene editing that, if we adopted and adapted would feed us just fine, thankyouverymuch. - risk-free.

So I counter with: what's your rush with gmo?

Plenty of countries have regular crop failures. Fuck them?

See Bt Brinjal.

 

[dysfunction]

Source?

You dont get apple carrot combos do you.

 

[Wij]

You dont get apple carrot combos do you.

No reason why not. That's why it's called Horizontal.

 

[Scouse]

Plenty of countries have regular crop failures. Fuck them?

Why do you think GMO is the only answer?

The US insists that aid is tied to african countries accepting GMO seeds - effectively turning the continent into one big science experiment. When what they need is proper infrastructure, tooling, poverty alleviation, yadda yadda yadda.

It's a dangerous situation. Food security does not rely on GMO.

Edit: Anyway, we're not getting anywhere. Inherent safety isn't apparent. Nothing you've brought up make me think we should abandon the precautionary principle - not least that we've already got solutions to our problems, albeit ones that don't give easy profit to large corporates...

 

[Job]

The problem is that the modified crops go on to be attacked by evolved pests..so they reengineer them and quite often it is to resist even stronger pesticides and the farmers end up totally reliant and financially attatched to the GM companies.

Its the oldest trick in the book.

 

[Scouse]

You were making sense there before you said "oldest trick in the book" - when GM crops and pesticides are a relatively recent invention compared to, you know, farming.

But yep - we're weaponising pests, when a different approach nullifies that issue.

 

[Scouse]

This shows the absurdity of policing by offence:

England players' plan to leave the pitch if they are racially abused during Monday's Euro 2020 qualifier in Sofia has been called "offensive" by Bulgaria's Football Union.

 

[caLLous]

It seems a bit cheap of Mo Farah to pull the race card when questions are asked about his ex-coach. He basically won it all when he was under a coach who's been done for doping... it seems reasonable to bring it up.

 

[Job]

Hes gone back to Mohammed now.

Just to make it a bit more difficult to ask.

 

[Job]

You were making sense there before you said "oldest trick in the book" - when GM crops and pesticides are a relatively recent invention compared to, you know, farming.

But yep - we're weaponising pests, when a different approach nullifies that issue.

The trick is consumer dependence..not genetic engineering

 

[caLLous]

eBay, Visa and Mastercard pull out of Facebook's Libra cryptocurrency

 

[Gwadien]

How to trigger @Job in one easy video.

Syrian refugee children embrace love of Welsh

 

[Job]

Their parents want to go home.

What even is this?

 

[Gwadien]

Their parents want to go home.

What even is this?

But isn't that what you want? :S

 

[Lamp]

Frankie Boyle live from Glasgow



If you like his style you'll love this gig. Deals with hecklers savagely fast.

 

[caLLous]

An under-construction hotel in the middle of New Orleans collapsing earlier today...

 

[Gwadien]

Holy shit!

That doesn't happen in the western world, surely :|

 

[dysfunction]

luckily nobody was hurt!

 

[caLLous]

One confirmed dead (more than the likely the guy on the scaffolding you can see as it collapses) and 13 injuries was the last I saw.

 

[Job]

But isn't that what you want? :S

Well its what they want.
Strange seeing as the entire country is on fire.

 

[Embattle]

An under-construction hotel in the middle of New Orleans collapsing earlier today...

Sadly if you look careful on the footage you can see a person on the outer edge of the 4th floor of yellow part of building.

Holy shit!

That doesn't happen in the western world, surely :|

Happens less but still happens, crane collapses tend to happen quite often.

 

[Gwadien]

Well its what they want.
Strange seeing as the entire country is on fire.

Strange?

I think you'll find they want to return home when it's safer.

I find it bizarre that you think it's so unbelievable, considering how much of a patriot you are, I'm sure you'd do the same thing.

 

[Gwadien]

Just played a game with a South African dude living in Georgia who said he is a refugee of the ANC.

At the end of the game he started playing Confederate songs....................................................................

 

[Moriath]

An under-construction hotel in the middle of New Orleans collapsing earlier today...

Ooo i was only on canal street a few weeks ago

 

[Job]

Strange?

I think you'll find they want to return home when it's safer.

I find it bizarre that you think it's so unbelievable, considering how much of a patriot you are, I'm sure you'd do the same thing.

You dont do sarcasm do you.

 

[Embattle]

Black woman killed by Texas police in own bedroom

 

[Gwadien]

Black woman killed by Texas police in own bedroom

Lmao, 'she had a gun'

In her own fucking house.

Jesus Christ.

 

[dysfunction]

Lmao, 'she had a gun'

In her own fucking house.

Jesus Christ.

Isn't that where you would keep your gun if you were allowed one?