SPAM This thread is for random spam!!

[Job]

Yep. And you don't learn mechanical engineering at the coal face or any scientific discipline (because less than degree-level education is utterly inadequate - doctoral level minimum if you want to be doing serious stuff). Loads of stuff is degree level minimum.

The degree has become the tick box requirement for many jobs before they even consider your application..my twice removed cousin law or whatever was made redundant from his oil industry logistics management position..he re applied recently and his old job now requires a degree...hes doing one at 45...free of course...Scotland and all.

 

[Raven]

To be fair, most fresh graduates are fucking useless these days, it takes a good few years for them to get with the program of "the real world" that is not the fault of the uni though, its the fault of them having absolutely no real, usable skills. Our entire education system is failing to prepare people for adulthood. They can't cope with stress, they can't cope with actual thought or problem solving, they can barely dress themselves. They think they already know everything so trying to teach them otherwise is a complete waste of time.

Not that I am generalising or anything...

 

[Cadelin]

That's not a Remainer thing... it was widely reported that areas with lower education and prospects voted to Leave.

I need to correct you here: Correlation does not imply causation.

The independent article clearly says that Brexit was "caused" by low levels of education. The article you quote says the level of eduacation had a higher "correlation" with voting patterns than any other major demographic measure.

 

[DaGaffer]

I need to correct you here: Correlation does not imply causation.

The independent article clearly says that Brexit was "caused" by low levels of education. The article you quote says the level of eduacation had a higher "correlation" with voting patterns than any other major demographic measure.

In this particularly instance correlation does imply causation. If there's a high correlation and its repeated (which there is and it is) it becomes safe to assume that its a cause. Older, whiter, less educated; these three factors are repeated across widely distributed parts of the country, so it becomes safe to assume they have a bearing. It doesn't mean everyone falls into this pot, but a lot do. For example the people who voted leave in places like Middlesborough are the "left behinds"; when jobs went away, the more qualified and younger people moved elsewhere. They're threatened by migrants from the EU "taking their jobs" even though most of the time they're transient workers doing jobs they don't want (e.g. farm labour). In a way I can forgive these people, its the older middle-class Brexiters I want to punch in the head.

 

[Raven]

You simply cannot say old people don't have degrees so are stupid. That would imply you are retarded.

Degrees weren't so much of a thing, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

You also cannot say that anyone with a degree is intelligent, it simply isn't true.

 

[DaGaffer]

You simply cannot say old people don't have degrees so are stupid. That would imply you are retarded.

Degrees weren't so much of a thing, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

You also cannot say that anyone with a degree is intelligent, it simply isn't true.

Where did I say that? "Less educated" doesn't mean stupid, it means "less educated".

 

[Raven]

Where did I say that? "Less educated" doesn't mean stupid, it means "less educated".

I wasn't replying to you directly but to the thread in general. (That is why we have a quote system)

I am getting a little fed up of this assumption from people that are essentially morons, that a degree is some sort of marker for intelligence. Degrees are a piece of piss, I am doing one now and it comically easy to achieve.

It is what you do after the degree that matters, or indeed before.

 

[Scouse]

You also cannot say that anyone with a degree is intelligent, it simply isn't true.

You can clearly state that a person who made it to higher education - which you do by getting high enough grades in relevant subjects to qualify in direct competition with your peers - is more likely to be of higher intelligence than those who failed in that competition.

It's more complex than that, true, but essentially that is the case. People who've been through higher education are vastly more likely to be more intelligent than those who haven't.

In the same way - those with better degrees who've qualified (by competition) to take a masters, then PhD are, in general, more intelligent than those who haven't.

This is our main objective system of measuring actual intellectual achievement. They've proven that they're smart enough and have backed it with action. Any other opinion on "who's cleverer" is simply subjective as there's no data to back how you feel up.

 

[Bodhi]

Depends if it's a real degree or not.

 

[Scouse]

Above takes that into account.

What I missed out is that people who went to university tend to be more rounded in their viewpoints as they get exposed to a wider range of ideas and people than they otherwise would have.

They tend to be less judgemental and xenophobic, less threatened by difference. So regardless of intellect there are many advantages with these people.

It's why having a degree, any degree, is often a requirement for jobs that would otherwise not require one. If you specify a degree as a requirement you're less likely to be hiring an obnoxious cunt.

 

[Bodhi]

See I read that as - see us people with degrees? We're just better than everyone else.

Just don't tell Steve Jobs (as he's dead), Larry Ellison, Richard Branson, Alan Sugar or any of that lot.

Biggest thing we got taught at uni was how to think for ourselves, and to question what we are being dogmatically told. Judging by the news over the past couple of days, I suspect people that came out of my class wouldn't be too welcome at Google.

 

[Gwadien]

Biggest thing we got taught at uni was how to think for ourselves, and to question what we are being dogmatically told. Judging by the news over the past couple of days, I suspect people that came out of my class wouldn't be too welcome at Google.

That Google story... Everyone is looking at it as a 'OMG IM OFFENDED' ya-dadadada thing.

How about this.

If you rip into women, and you're also quite high up in a business, wouldn't that have dramatically negative results for your business? - IE the women underneath you would respond with a great big 'fuck you'.

???

 

[Job]

Of course the problem I have is that it has been decided by the left that Brexit will be bad...statistics prove less educated people voted Brexit..so they must be too thick to get the truths more educated people understand.
Which is quite simply an argument that could go both ways.
Educated people voted to remain, they are too brain washed by a liberal education system to understand the consequences of staying in the EU.
Both are opinions...the left get annoyed because they believe their education gives them a greater ability to decide which is best...again...an opinion.

 

[Bodhi]

That Google story... Everyone is looking at it as a 'OMG IM OFFENDED' ya-dadadada thing.

How about this.

If you rip into women, and you're also quite high up in a business, wouldn't that have dramatically negative results for your business? - IE the women underneath you would respond with a great big 'fuck you'.

???

Not sure if I'm getting you 100%, but the dude who wrote the memo didn't rip into women in the slightest? Just said that, according to science, there are some differences between the sexes we should be aware of (generally speaking, as that is all these studies can do), which may help us understand why there are less women in high positions in tech. It was hardly a negative piece, in fact he came up with several suggestions in how to fix the problem.

 

[Scouse]

Shame the chap was wrong. Shame it cost him his job too - but he was wrong.

 

[DaGaffer]

That Google story... Everyone is looking at it as a 'OMG IM OFFENDED' ya-dadadada thing.

How about this.

If you rip into women, and you're also quite high up in a business, wouldn't that have dramatically negative results for your business? - IE the women underneath you would respond with a great big 'fuck you'.

???

Missing the point slightly. I don't actually agree with much of what the guy said (yes, I read all ten pages), loads of it is just stereotypes that aren't even relevant at the individual level, but I do agree with some of it (mainly because affirmative action type programs have failed repeatedly and cause division and lower respect for recruits who come in through such programs), and most importantly, the fact that you're no longer allowed to have the conversation at all is the most worrying aspect. Google should be confident enough to refute his argument in open debate, not just close the conversation down. The Social media response shows the same trend; "you can't say that", basically. Which is bullshit.

It also shows the chilling effect of corporate America; despite the 1st Amendment, he got fired, but he almost certainly wouldn't have in Europe

 

[Raven]

Women make OK bosses, for 4 weeks of the month.

 

[Job]

Women are fucking crackers and anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been around one long enough.
Women do poorly in the workplace because of kids..employers will pick the man because the woman is too much trouble..maternity etc.
Its as simple as that.
The unsaid rule of the land, the sister in law cant have kids..she walks into any job.

 

[DaGaffer]

Of course the problem I have is that it has been decided by the left that Brexit will be bad...statistics prove less educated people voted Brexit..so they must be too thick to get the truths more educated people understand.
Which is quite simply an argument that could go both ways.
Educated people voted to remain, they are too brain washed by a liberal education system to understand the consequences of staying in the EU.
Both are opinions...the left get annoyed because they believe their education gives them a greater ability to decide which is best...again...an opinion.

Yeah, my "liberal education" brainwashed me. The fact that you say "liberal education" shows you're feeding at the teat of Brietbart again. You really should stop that, it rots your brain and you've not got much left to spare.

Educated people generally voted remain because they're aware of the opportunities the EU offers them, are probably more engaged with Europe on a day to day basis, are in a stronger position to take advantage of those opportunities, and more likely to be affected negatively by Brexit, the less educated are less aware those opportunities exist, less able to take advantage, and when you've got fuck all anyway, less concerned about the downside.

 

[DaGaffer]

the sister in law cant have kids..she walks into any job.

Does she have that on her CV?

 

[Job]

Missing the point slightly. I don't actually agree with much of what the guy said (yes, I read all ten pages), loads of it is just stereotypes that aren't even relevant at the individual level, but I do agree with some of it (mainly because affirmative action type programs have failed repeatedly and cause division and lower respect for recruits who come in through such programs), and most importantly, the fact that you're no longer allowed to have the conversation at all is the most worrying aspect. Google should be confident enough to refute his argument in open debate, not just close the conversation down. The Social media response shows the same trend; "you can't say that", basically. Which is bullshit.

It also shows the chilling effect of corporate America; despite the 1st Amendment, he got fired, but he almost certainly wouldn't have in Europe

More worrying is this is a company who hold everything on you...their power and their agenda are very worrying indeed.

 

[Job]

Yeah, my "liberal education" brainwashed me. The fact that you say "liberal education" shows you're feeding at the teat of Brietbart again. You really should stop that, it rots your brain and you've not got much left to spare.

Educated people generally voted remain because they're aware of the opportunities the EU offers them, are probably more engaged with Europe on a day to day basis, are in a stronger position to take advantage of those opportunities, and more likely to be affected negatively by Brexit, the less educated are less aware those opportunities exist, less able to take advantage, and when you've got fuck all anyway, less concerned about the downside.

Universities ARE diabolically liberal..often by their own admission..the liberal bias is the corporate safe space, they go with the program because upsetting right wingers...no problem..upset left wingers...no job.

 

[Job]

Does she have that on her CV?

She just drops it into the interview and she says their whole attitude changes.

 

[Job]

Yeah, my "liberal education" brainwashed me. The fact that you say "liberal education" shows you're feeding at the teat of Brietbart again. You really should stop that, it rots your brain and you've not got much left to spare.

Educated people generally voted remain because they're aware of the opportunities the EU offers them, are probably more engaged with Europe on a day to day basis, are in a stronger position to take advantage of those opportunities, and more likely to be affected negatively by Brexit, the less educated are less aware those opportunities exist, less able to take advantage, and when you've got fuck all anyway, less concerned about the downside.

Your reply is the exact OPINION I was referring to...you pretty well recited the assumed correctnrss of your educations bias.

 

[Bodhi]

Shame the chap was wrong. Shame it cost him his job too - but he was wrong.

A couple of people who understand the subject matter much better than both you or I appear to disagree.

The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond - Quillette

I particularly like this bit from the Professor from New Mexico:

When the memo went viral, thousands of journalists and bloggers transformed themselves overnight from not understanding evolutionary psychology at all to claiming enough expertise to criticize the whole scientific literature on biological sex differences.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Scouse]

A couple of people who understand the subject matter much better than both you or I appear to disagree

The evidence weighs against them. The difference is cultural and doesn't display in countries like India, for example.

 

[Job]

A couple of people who understand the subject matter much better than both you or I appear to disagree.

The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond - Quillette

I particularly like this bit from the Professor from New Mexico:

When the memo went viral, thousands of journalists and bloggers transformed themselves overnight from not understanding evolutionary psychology at all to claiming enough expertise to criticize the whole scientific literature on biological sex differences.

Of course its not about wether he was ..latest PC theory..correct or not, its the fact that he has suffered the tiresome witchhunt..thought crime penalty of dismissal with little recourse in an employment tribunal circus run by the brigade.

 

[DaGaffer]

Your reply is the exact OPINION I was referring to...you pretty well recited the assumed correctnrss of your educations bias.

No, its not an opinion, its actually what happened. There's nothing "liberal" about that opinion, most people voting remain were voting their economic interests, not their political opinion. In fact the only Brexiteer opinions I actually respect are those who recognised the economic reaming the UK is going to take and voted Brexit on moral and sovereignty grounds anyway, and those people are generally more right wing and less "liberal" than I am. I don't agree with their view by the way, but I do respect it.

 

[TdC]

In fact the only Brexiteer opinions I actually respect are those who recognised the economic reaming the UK is going to take and voted Brexit on moral and sovereignty grounds anyway, and those people are generally more right wing and less "liberal" than I am. I don't agree with their view by the way, but I do respect it.

That would be my brother then, and you're spot on.