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[Hawkwind]

Did anyone read the article or just slate it from the headline?

Read it and a lot of the comments. The problem is that thinking can be applied to anything. I just thought the comment post I copy pasted summed up exactly how I felt about the article and the whole SJ movement.

 

[Hawkwind]

So in order to prevent the angry shouty people trying to enforce thought, you want them to stop talking? Like, censor them?

lol.

No and that isn't what he stated. The problem is these SJW types don't allow debate or free speech, they just disrupt anything they don't agree with. Just look at the shit that is going on at Berkley recently.

 

[Gwadien]

No and that isn't what he stated. The problem is these SJW types don't allow debate or free speech, they just disrupt anything they don't agree with. Just look at the shit that is going on at Berkley recently.

I think it's fair to say that anyone who has a view outside the realms of 'normality' don't allow debate or free speech, that's kind of the point.

These people have no real power or say, so how does that impact wider society?

 

[Raven]

What do you mean by "These people have no real power or say, so how does that impact wider society?" have the last two years in global politics passed you by or something?

What we have seen is what happens with you alienate thought, there is no point debating with someone when they are screaming fascist at you, so people don't bother, their views aren't challenged and they vote accordingly. They may not say what they think out load because what would be the point? Offending someone is pretty much a crime now. Its stupid. Is it any wonder elections are impossible to predict and on the whole have gone badly for everyone concerned.

Its not over either, people aren't learning. The swing back will be catastrophic.

But OK, its the little Englanders fault, yeah got it.

 

[Gwadien]

So are you suggesting that mainstream society has accepted the views that this feminist has, and that has become the norm?

 

[Raven]

Anyway, the problem is social media and the echo chambers it creates. Nobody is willing to debate anything, all they want is to have their opinion endorsed so they ignore anyone with an opposing view, its only natural but extremely dangerous. It is not an issue of left or right.

 

[Raven]

So are you suggesting that mainstream society has accepted the views that this feminist has, and that has become the norm?

Again, no. Please point out where I said that.

Are you struggling with English today or something?

 

[Gwadien]

Again, no. Please point out where I said that.

Are you struggling with English today or something?

" have the last two years in global politics passed you by or something?

I want examples of this kind of stuff happening really.

The only major events that I can think of where Governments have got involved is over fundamentalist Islamic groups or far-right wing groups.

 

[Hawkwind]

I think it's fair to say that anyone who has a view outside the realms of 'normality' don't allow debate or free speech, that's kind of the point.

These people have no real power or say, so how does that impact wider society?

just see what is going on in US and other countries Universities, it makes me worried for the future. It's all one sided debate based on a blinkered view of morality. Anyone who has a different viewpoint is a racist, fascist, misogynist...

 

[Raven]

Trump
Brexit
Turkey shit
That guy that came close to fucking The Netherlands
Le pen
The rise of the right in Eastern Europe
The rise of the right in Germany

That kind of thing...

 

[Gwadien]

Trump
Brexit
Turkey shit
That guy that came close to fucking The Netherlands
Le pen
The rise of the right in Eastern Europe
The rise of the right in Germany

That kind of thing...

So what suggests the opposite to what you stated, since these are all events where the 'wrong opinion' actually saw an increased voice and in some cases they got into power?

 

[Raven]

Really? wow

If all people can do is scream at other people when they have a different opinion then they have no chance of changing that opinion. If all people see is swivel eyed lunacy it puts them off, they resist it, often to an extreme. That article is demonstrably nonsense but presented as factual. Its a constant river of left orientated, idiocy. It is no wonder people can't be arsed to engage.

But OK, carry on blaming everything on Dave from Essex and his racist wife. That will solve the problems quick smart!

 

[Gwadien]

Really? wow

If all people can do is scream at other people when they have a different opinion then they have no chance of changing that opinion. If all people see is swivel eyed lunacy it puts them off, they resist it, often to an extreme. That article is demonstrably nonsense but presented as factual. Its a constant river of left orientated, idiocy. It is no wonder people can't be arsed to engage.

But OK, carry on blaming everything on Dave from Essex and his racist wife. That will solve the problems quick smart!

So are you suggesting that 'lefties' shouting down the right wingers made them to have views which were considered to be more extreme?

What about the rise of 'issues' and the right playing on those issues to create hatred and fear in order to gain support?

 

[Bodhi]

Trump
Brexit
Turkey shit
That guy that came close to fucking The Netherlands
Le pen
The rise of the right in Eastern Europe
The rise of the right in Germany

That kind of thing...

Just as an aside, I'm starting to think the rise of the far right in Europe is a lot more concerning than what we have here. In terms of the far right we have Ukip (mostly irrelevant now), the BNP (lol) and the EDL (who I'm not sure if even still exist). Whereas in Europe they are getting scarily close to power....

 

[Job]

Well TBH, she does have a point, that AI is in danger of adopting our prejudices, but the reason I posted it was because of that tiresome bullshit of, 'only white men are racist/sexist'.
We are probably the least guilty on the planet, and liberals are so entrenched with their own experience that they are failing to register the worldwide abuse of women, outrageous racism and downright genocidal behavior of the rest of the world, because to get a world view they just look at minorities, presume they are oppressed, times that by the planet and conclude every other race is benign, struggling together against the white man.
It's bigotry and racist against white men...simple as that.

 

[Job]

Best part of that whole web page was this reply by houseoftheangels:

If you go looking for perfection you will only ever find imperfection and nothing will ever meet with your standards.

There will always be people who don't like other races. There will always be people who compete in terms of gender. Only a fool of fools will believe they can eradicate this from humanity.

Nobody has any right over our minds. You can't force people to think the way you want them to. It is as FASCIST in one sense as an antithesis of fascism, in the truest definition of the word, to impose your values on another, no matter what those values are. One person's drink is anothers poison.

You can't tell me or anyone else how to think and behave. We have FREEDOM and that is what I assert every day in my life. The obvious conclusion of this political correctness is as much of a night mare as Orwell's "1984". Read that book again and you will understand what I am saying to you. Thought is not a crime. If you try and make it so you have created something that makes fascism look like a mild mannered tea party.

I've watched you as you try and modify language (Orwellian) and impose strict codes of thought and behavior (Orwellian), FORCING people to act in a particular way. This is no good and has only served to throw all these ideas out to the very fringes of social acceptance. You created this populism out of your extremes. It is a backlash much harder than the initial lash of the whip you tried to counteract.

You are doing me no favours. I can hardly live and function in this awful current populist climate. I have even had to lose my EU citizenship because of the reaction to the extremes of political correctness and what it forced onto us. Please STOP so we can begin to find a way to progress to offer an alternative that the mainstream will buy; something that really does enrich the lives of all of us in all our diversity.

DON'T SWAP CHAINS FOR SHACKLES. They do the same thing and I will not wear them whether they are from you or the "other".
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We yes, I often blame the liberalism for the rise of the right, but then you have to blame the extremes of the right for the following liberalism.

 

[Raven]

So are you suggesting that 'lefties' shouting down the right wingers made them to have views which were considered to be more extreme?

What about the rise of 'issues' and the right playing on those issues to create hatred and fear in order to gain support?

This is getting extremely tedious now but a perfect example of what I mean.

No, that is not what I said, and you know it. But carry on, enjoy yourself

 

[Gwadien]

This is getting extremely tedious now but a perfect example of what I mean.

No, that is not what I said, and you know it. But carry on, enjoy yourself

What, that I'm trying to engage you in a conversation but you seem to wanting to go down narrower channels of debate each time?

 

[Raven]

No, I expanded my original point, you decided to try and argue against something I didn't say, ignored me challenging that and just carried on talking nonsense...so what is the point?

 

[Gwadien]

Well TBH, she does have a point, that AI is in danger of adopting our prejudices, but the reason I posted it was because of that tiresome bullshit of, 'only white men are racist/sexist'.
We are probably the least guilty on the planet, and liberals are so entrenched with their own experience that they are failing to register the worldwide abuse of women, outrageous racism and downright genocidal behavior of the rest of the world, because to get a world view they just look at minorities, presume they are oppressed, times that by the planet and conclude every other race is benign, struggling together against the white man.
It's bigotry and racist against white men...simple as that.

Agree with the first part...

I think the point that she is trying to raise is that the type of people that are going to be working on projects like this are white middle class males, so as a result, if you create an AI which actually *learns* then it'll pick up on other roles of people in society, black people don't work in labs making robots = they're not clever. If one of these blokes takes the AI for a run at home, chances are his Mrs will be there cleaning and cooking = that's the role of these men looking things but have boobs and no penis.

I'd probably agree with the second part, if it was not for the way that you approached it.

Black/Brown people have never really done much on a -massive- scale in order to for us to dislike them as a group of people, sure, there's been suicide bombers and shit.

However, if you look across the entire fucking planet, there's MASSIVE 'white' influence wherever you go, and it's diminishing peoples own culture, I mean, if you think building mosques is bad in the UK, you should go to other countries where their economy is dominated by white-owned businesses.

Also look at the number of conflicts white people have caused across the planet compared to conflicts caused by other countries, don't forget as well... This hatred isn't bred, this is developed, we elect our Government, so therefore in the PoV of these people it's every single person in this country attacking someone else, we're not a terrorist organisation which usually represents no-one or very small amounts of people.

 

[Gwadien]

No, I expanded my original point, you decided to try and argue against something I didn't say, ignored me challenging that and just carried on talking nonsense...so what is the point?

I think you're chatting lots of bollocks and you're not really sure where to take your argument.

That article is demonstrably nonsense but presented as factual. Its a constant river of left orientated, idiocy.

Why when the Daily Mail write ridiculous articles it's laughed and ridiculed, however whenever the Guardian makes a point you totally go against everything you've argued before and suddenly become offended that they're trying to brain wash people.

Why can't you just accept that is someones opinion and it doesn't reflect a wider public opinion.

I'm beginning to think that people can't argue their own political and social views without going to the same old go-to arguments to defend views that they don't actually properly understand.

The suggestion that we can't have a proper debate in this country is equally as laughable as that Guardian article.

 

[old.user4556]

We are fucked because people are not allowed to think, or debate.

We're too obsessed with being offended, black lives matter, gender dysmorphia, gender neutral toilets, breast feeding in public, the death of old celebrities, Prince Harry's mental health, social justice aoijnsfiju34fiujhqeroifgqjehnroilugjhno['ig.

 

[Job]

Agree with the first part...

I think the point that she is trying to raise is that the type of people that are going to be working on projects like this are white middle class males, so as a result, if you create an AI which actually *learns* then it'll pick up on other roles of people in society, black people don't work in labs making robots = they're not clever. If one of these blokes takes the AI for a run at home, chances are his Mrs will be there cleaning and cooking = that's the role of these men looking things but have boobs and no penis.

I'd probably agree with the second part, if it was not for the way that you approached it.

Black/Brown people have never really done much on a -massive- scale in order to for us to dislike them as a group of people, sure, there's been suicide bombers and shit.

However, if you look across the entire fucking planet, there's MASSIVE 'white' influence wherever you go, and it's diminishing peoples own culture, I mean, if you think building mosques is bad in the UK, you should go to other countries where their economy is dominated by white-owned businesses.

Also look at the number of conflicts white people have caused across the planet compared to conflicts caused by other countries, don't forget as well... This hatred isn't bred, this is developed, we elect our Government, so therefore in the PoV of these people it's every single person in this country attacking someone else, we're not a terrorist organisation which usually represents no-one or very small amounts of people.

I just cant agree, other races are hugely racist to each other, Arabs treat Indians like vermin, Indians and Pakistanis despise each other, various Asian peoples would attack each other on sight, inter marriage or even flirting could see you shunned, beaten up or killed.
There is a steaming pit of hatred, racism and bigotry all over the non white world.
But its us who are going to make robots racist???
The western world leads the planet in fairness, equality and compassion.
Still liberals...

 

[BloodOmen]

Christ

 

[Moriath]

When you have had nothing. Something is awesome.

 

[Raven]

On the positive side they have some greats to catch up with.

 

[fettoken]

At least it isn't Skate or die/Ski or die.

 

[Gwadien]

Christ

They still have that kinda shit in bowling places and stuff.

 

[Job]

Those games are superb.
Wtf are you getting all superior about.

 

[BloodOmen]

They still have that kinda shit in bowling places and stuff.

I meant the cheesy as fuck music man and terrible video editing lol, its like some you'd see from the 80's.