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[Scouse]

Says the guy from a country that gives just over 1% of the budget or around 1k per person, compared to our 11k

Citation needed.

Desparately.

One not written by Job.



Edit: Actually, that wasn't strong enough. You're a fucking swivel-eyed loon. Even the torygraph says it's about £200. And you seriously think eleven thousand pounds per person.

You're a total whackjob.

 

[Raven]

Citation needed.

Desparately.

One not written by Job.



Edit: Actually, that wasn't strong enough. You're a fucking swivel-eyed loon. Even the torygraph says it's about £200. And you seriously think eleven thousand pounds per person.

You're a total whackjob.

EU budget: how much does each country pay and where does it get spent?

Edit: and before you comment, the headers are clearly fucked (country being on the right, % GDP in the wrong place etc) contribution is on the left.

Great to see you revert to insults again, really polishing those debating skills again Intellectual elite my arse, angry shouty man more like.

I am ever so interested to see what information you are using to base your idea that if we were to leave the EU, or workers rights would diminish. The trade unions are weakening the trade unions, just like the opposition are weakening the opposition.

Also, what difference does the EU have on the NHS?! Are they now suddenly responsible for healthcare, are Europe going to adopt the NHS model? No, you're talking bollocks again.

 

[Raven]

Edit timer, I will concede the Guardian's figures are basically bullshit (The Guardian, making it up, who would have thunk it!) However, the point still stands, we contribute far more than most with Germany and France a little higher while other countries contribute virtually nothing.

 

[Scouse]

As a % of GDP - meh. But if you're interested in the cost to you - which is what you're always pissy about - it's about £200.

All that risk, for £200 quid.

I am ever so interested to see what information you are using

No. No you're not. Or you'd have looked at the argument provided and done the very easy reading yourself. It's staring you in the face, in the mainstream media. For the NHS, you only need to look at TTIP which, as @DaGaffer said, the Tories are flag-wavers for.

But you don't care, don't want to hear, are going "la la la la" about. Are you seriously suggesting that when our Home Secretary consistently makes the case for leaving the ECHR that that doesn't count in your eyes?

 

[Raven]

But what has the NHS got to do with Europe? I dont deny the tories are bastards but whether or not the NHS stay, changes or goes has absolutely nothing to do with Europe. You are getting yourself muddled.

 

[DaGaffer]

Actually it's not even £200; that's the contribution figure; after what the UK gets back, the figure is closer to £80 per head.

As for whether it's fair that the UK pays more; part of the whole point of the EU is to raise up the economies of poorer countries; the per cap contributions of member states will rise as their GNP rises; invest in Poland so eventually Poland invests in the EU, and the Home Counties has to look elsewhere for plumbers and baristas.

I can actually accept the sovreignty argument in relation to the EU; I don't agree with it, but I get it, but the budget argument is utterly facile.

 

[Job]

On a side note, here's me offroading in mid Wales.

 

[caLLous]

You're clearly at least half on the road.

 

[Job]

One wheel, that's all it takes.

 

[Raven]

That's probably all you are allowed there...

 

[fettoken]

Thoughts on this?

 

[Raven]

He is a stupid prick that changes his mind on muslims like the wind?

(not seen the video)

 

[fettoken]

Yeh, the image gives that impression.

 

[Job]

Yes because they can arrest him with impunity, while arresting muslims spouting hate and violence are too hot a potato, always go for the low hanging fruit.

 

[fettoken]

Many muslim friends of mine are on the whole, ignoring several guidelines(?) in the quran, drinking and sleeping around seem to be greatly accepted among them. THOUGH, they are very strict with not eating pork. That is strange, since it seem okay to fuck dirty pigs..

Too much?

 

[Job]

He is a stupid prick that changes his mind on muslims like the wind?

(not seen the video)

It's the usual Quran is full of violence against women and non believers...which it is, but that's hardly news because it's there in black and white for all to see.

 

[Gwadien]

Thoughts on this?

Religion is backwards, quoting religious scriptures created thousands of years ago is frankly ridiculous.

I could find you verses from the Bible which are equally as aggressive, it doesn't mean that Christians now follow those parts of the Bible to the letter.

The Crusades were justified by the Old Testament completely, there's probably still very small groups which use the Old Testament, the problem is the world in which Islam is from is still inherently backwards, not just through religion, but socially, you could argue that Islam has played a large part in this, but you also need to remember that they're pretty much new countries which need room to grow and to progress, mainly through progressive influence of the West, showing them that a secular world without religion tying you down IS better, and we don't need Western countries to act aggressively and to do stupid things in order to justify these countries looking inward and not progressing - See the Iranian Revolution.

I don't have a problem with far right groups criticising Islam, but I'm yet to see a party which uses liberal western views as their bastion against Islam - Which would be the right thing to do, instead they use aggressive and emotive language which only causes hostilities and I've witnessed this in Leicester with the EDL screaming pakis at groups of people who were there to protest against the EDL, who were very very much multi-cultural.

I'm also a bit of a Islam sceptic, I realise the cause that they do to societies and their inward looking isn't progressive, but I believe that over time and with patience it'll peter out within my life time, and I truly believe that.

However, if you do wish to do something about it -now- I wouldn't pursue it in a para-military fashion such as the EDL/Britain First, I'd pursue it in a more intelligent means, find solutions to draw these groups of people into a mainstream society. I really do not understand the goals of EDL/Britain First - an absolute ban on Islam? - Get back to reality please.

 

[Job]

I came here to post this...oh dear, well they are the shitholes of Merseyside.

 

[Gwadien]

Many muslim friends of mine are on the whole, ignoring several guidelines(?) in the quran, drinking and sleeping around seem to be greatly accepted among them. THOUGH, they are very strict with not eating pork. That is strange, since it seem okay to fuck dirty pigs..

Too much?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

I know SO many Muslims that do exactly this, and they're the people who will have kids, and their religion will go on the backburner - much like many 'Christian' people in the West do now.

 

[Gwadien]

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

[fettoken]

Abso-fucking-lutely.

I know SO many Muslims that do exactly this, and they're the people who will have kids, and their religion will go on the backburner - much like many 'Christian' people in the West do now.

Yes. And i wish they could admit that they don't believe in some fairy in the sky, but instead believe in good things, love, karma etc. Why label it? It is a very strange thing in my opinion.

 

[Gwadien]

I came here to post this...oh dear, well they are the shitholes of Merseyside.

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How many of them genuinely need the benefits though?

Benefit fraud v tax evasion: Which costs more?

 

[Gwadien]

Yes. And i wish they could admit that they don't believe in some fairy in the sky, but instead believe in good things, love, karma etc. Why label it? It is a very strange thing in my opinion.

So why even mention it? - Don't talk about their religion what so ever, just buy them more beer, get them drunk enough, then give them some bbq pulled pork.

EDIT - Also Fett, how many things have you parents told you that you followed until you realised were categorically incorrect?

TBH, you could swap out religion for political views.

 

[fettoken]

So why even mention it? - Don't talk about their religion what so ever, just buy them more beer, get them drunk enough, then give them some bbq pulled pork.

EDIT - Also Fett, how many things have you parents told you that you followed until you realised were categorically incorrect?

TBH, you could swap out religion for political views.

My Father's from Turkey, so he always said to work hard and be honest. He says he's not religious, but believes in something. He never admits to what though.

My mother believes in rebirth, the whole spiritual thing. So, i haven't been led astray, not that i can think of.

Edit: Regarding politics, they are social democrats. My father thinks paying tax is good. Imagine that!

Edit2: He was a born 'muslim' as such, and grown up but dropped the religious crap altogether when he came to Sweden at the age of 14. So, i'm giving myself a free-card on muslim and religious bashing.

 

[Gwadien]

You can pull my pork any day. Choose any crevice.

See edit.

ok.

 

[fettoken]

See edit.

See edit above in a second..

 

[Gwadien]

See edit above in a second..

See my edit in response to your edit, which was in response to my edit above.

 

[Gwadien]

My Father's from Turkey, so he always said to work hard and be honest. He says he's not religious, but believes in something. He never admits to what though.

My mother believes in rebirth, the whole spiritual thing. So, i haven't been led astray, not that i can think of.

Regarding politics, they are social democrats. My father thinks paying tax is good. Imagine that!

Precisely, you grow up in an environment, you grow older and you may begin to resist it, or you may not, if your environment is progressive then you're more likely to resist it.

If you go to your muslims m9s and say 'dudes, wtf you guys aren't religious, eat some pork' and they say 'fuck you' and storm off, they'll probably go find some Muslim pals to go talk about the Koran.

 

[fettoken]

If you go to your muslims m9s and say 'dudes, wtf you guys aren't religious, eat some pork' and they say 'fuck you' and storm off, they'll probably go find some Muslim pals to go talk about the Koran.

Yeah. It's a slow and extremely pedagogic process, and yes, everyone is a product of their environment, but i would like to believe there's free will and critical thinking.

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah. It's a slow and extremely pedagogic process, and yes, everyone is a product of their environment, but i would like to believe there's free will and critical thinking.

Well, it's the environment which we live in which allows us to engage in free will and critical thinking.

For instance my free will and critical thinking stipulates that @Scouse is a cock.