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[Chilly]

well, the killing of enemy soldiers is always murder, but it varies whether it's legal or not.

 

[Gwadien]

So basically what they're saying is, it's okay to systemically wipe out enemy soldiers without them having any knowledge of it coming, but if your soldiers get ambushed, they're supposed to kill the enemy in a certain way?

 

[Scouse]

So basically what they're saying is, it's okay to systemically wipe out enemy soldiers without them having any knowledge of it coming, but if your soldiers get ambushed, they're supposed to kill the enemy in a certain way?

Nope. Once they've surrendered you're not allowed to kill them. "Unlawful killing" is another of these awful mandatory terms that the beeb has to use - like "insurgent" for someone who's had their country invaded and is fighting back.

How can you be an insurgent when you've been invaded? Insurgency is a rebellion against an established authority. Not freedom-fighting against foreign invaders...

 

[old.Tohtori]

How can you be an insurgent when you've been invaded? Insurgency is a rebellion against an established authority. Not freedom-fighting against foreign invaders...

Unless those invaders took over ofcourse, which would make them the established authority, but in some cases invaders are considered invaders even when they've taken over.

That's when freedom fighters term comes into play. Meh, semantics though

 

[fettoken]

I still regard Americans as invaders in their so called America.

 

[Scouse]

Unless those invaders took over ofcourse, which would make them the established authority

To be "established authority" you have to be established. Which means "there for a long time and generally accepted".

The current puppet government fits neither side of that definition.

 

[Olgaline]

has to be fake ? - Funny none the less

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atqtl1J-z3Q

 

[Scouse]

Fake.

 

[old.Osy]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=86427

 

[Aoami]

he is 24 years old? wot?

 

[Tuthmes]

 

[Chilly]

wtf???

 

[caLLous]

wtf???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/28/car-runs-down-bicyclists-brazil_n_829425.html

Although why he thought it was a good idea to post the gif here is beyond me.

 

[Scouse]

That's, like, ten years of the deaths caused by UK cyclists right there.

 

[soze]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't we be learning from American prisons when doing things like this; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23958223 ?

While not good for rehabilitation these Super Prisons are a necessity. With people being released early due to overcrowding and spiraling costs involved in the up keep of older prison buildings we really need to either retrofit old prisons or build new ones.

As for rehabing the scum then we need a total rethink of prison life. By default you should get nothing in prison. Books and just enough food to eat. Nothing else. Then you have to work. When you work you earn money for better food and the longer you behave and self improve though education and other activities the more amenities you can earn. And then employ enough guards to actually enforce these rules.

 

[old.Osy]

To think the US is considering the concept of "open prison". As in, you get to keep your job and everything, just gotta come back at curfew to your prison cell.

 

[soze]

To think the US is considering the concept of "open prison". As in, you get to keep your job and everything, just gotta come back at curfew to your prison cell.

I thought Open Prisons with work release had been out there for years. But only for non violent crimes?

 

[old.Tohtori]

To think the US is considering the concept of "open prison". As in, you get to keep your job and everything, just gotta come back at curfew to your prison cell.

They've done that in Finland if i remember correctly. Works well with low class criminals that aren't exactly a threat to society.

 

[fettoken]

While not good for rehabilitation these Super Prisons are a necessity. With people being released early due to overcrowding and spiraling costs involved in the up keep of older prison buildings we really need to either retrofit old prisons or build new ones.

As for rehabing the scum then we need a total rethink of prison life. By default you should get nothing in prison. Books and just enough food to eat. Nothing else. Then you have to work. When you work you earn money for better food and the longer you behave and self improve though education and other activities the more amenities you can earn. And then employ enough guards to actually enforce these rules.

Rather than taking up on US policies regarding prisons, we should go the way of their early 90's movies. Prison islands!

 

[Mey]

Or maybe we should just improve the prison service we already have by actually doing stuff with offenders rather than just locking them up. It's well over 50% of the prison population suffering some form of mental health issue. Why not address those issues and reduce recidivism in offenders.

 

[Mey]

As for rehabing the scum then we need a total rethink of prison life. By default you should get nothing in prison. Books and just enough food to eat. Nothing else. Then you have to work. When you work you earn money for better food and the longer you behave and self improve though education and other activities the more amenities you can earn. And then employ enough guards to actually enforce these rules.

The problem with our prison population is the vast majority of them are "mad" not bad.. Doing what you suggest would achieve nothing other than producing a group of people incapable of reintegration thereby exacerbating the problem we already have with overcrowding as they would just end up back in prison.

 

[soze]

The problem with our prison population is the vast majority of them are "mad" not bad.. Doing what you suggest would achieve nothing other than producing a group of people incapable of reintegration thereby exacerbating the problem we already have with overcrowding as they would just end up back in prison.

I am not an expert in the field but IMO there are too many cases of someone being a cunt getting called a mental disease. I have mentioned my little spoiled cousins who are not little shits they have ADHD.

So I can not believe the vast majority are Mad. It is too easy to blame things of a mental glitch even though the vast majority of people with the same glitch who still don't cross the line and break the law. There are obvious exceptions but i am not having that the vast majority should be getting counseling rather than doing time that screams nanny state.

If I remember correctly you work in the field so i obviously concede that my knowledge is miles behind yours.

 

[Moriath]

Rather than taking up on US policies regarding prisons, we should go the way of their early 90's movies. Prison islands!

You mean like Robben Island?

Cause that worked out well.

 

[Moriath]

The problem with our prison population is the vast majority of them are "mad" not bad.. Doing what you suggest would achieve nothing other than producing a group of people incapable of reintegration thereby exacerbating the problem we already have with overcrowding as they would just end up back in prison.

Bring back hanging for poaching etc !!

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Gwadien]

Fake.

 

[fettoken]

Putin lookin like a somewhat older George .W Bush junior.

 

[old.Osy]

Plot twist: They're cousins on their great grandfather's side.

 

[soze]

130 Cars crash. I do not get this I could see the initial and then maybe 3 or 4 behind them hitting. But 65 in each lane! If it is foggy slow down and increase your spacing. How can a 2 lane road have 130 cars crash!

 

[Raven]

Stupid people driving too fast and too close in unexpected fog and a bunch of unlucky people stuck amongst them.