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Now compare that to british prison sentences :p worlds apart - he'll be in prison singing "Bumming me softly" for the next 90 years.
Do you know anything about reducing crime? It's not all about long prison sentences.
 

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Do you know anything about reducing crime? It's not all about long prison sentences.


Oh I don't know? seems fairly fucking logical to me, lock up people committing crime for very long time - said people no longer on streets to commit crime.... where as the UK its lock people up no time at all so they can be out sooner to re-offend - pretty straight forward I'd say? unless you are honestly trying to say giving people a second chance or low sentences is a good idea?
 

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I'm saying that rehabilitating people is not only possible but by far the best way. It's my view that all sentences should default to life and then be adjusted based on parole/rehabilitation board findings.
 

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I'm saying that rehabilitating people is not only possible but by far the best way. It's my view that all sentences should default to life and then be adjusted based on parole/rehabilitation board findings.


That I agree with but realistically not everyone can be rehabilitated and quite frankly some people just don't deserve the chance for rehabilitation.
 

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That I agree with but realistically not everyone can be rehabilitated and quite frankly some people just don't deserve the chance for rehabilitation.
Yep, fair enough, and they'll rot in prison (which they already do). But a lot of people are in prison for crimes committed when young. We're all retards when we're young and any young person (by young I mean < 25 or so) in prison should be given a real, solid chance at rehabilitation.
 

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Yep, fair enough, and they'll rot in prison (which they already do). But a lot of people are in prison for crimes committed when young. We're all retards when we're young and any young person (by young I mean < 25 or so) in prison should be given a real, solid chance at rehabilitation.


Aye but again young people can sometimes be pure monsters, look at the thing with Woolwich, one was 22 the other 28 and would you honestly trust them to be let out again given what they were put away for?
 

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Aye but again young people can sometimes be pure monsters, look at the thing with Woolwich, one was 22 the other 28 and would you honestly trust them to be let out again given what they were put away for?
I totally agree, but the assumption should be that we have to try. We as a society let them down in the first place, it would be a double fucking to not give them a try and going straight. However, as you say, some people are just not safe to be on the streets.
 

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Oh I don't know? seems fairly fucking logical to me, lock up people committing crime for very long time - said people no longer on streets to commit crime.... where as the UK its lock people up no time at all so they can be out sooner to re-offend - pretty straight forward I'd say? unless you are honestly trying to say giving people a second chance or low sentences is a good idea?

Well, your logic has been proven again and again to not work. Harsher sentencing does not equal lower crime. Pretty straightforward with plenty of examples. The US being one.

Ive also seen plenty of example of second chances proven to work. While it may sound awfully cold to say, prison should be about rehabilitating the criminal, to safeguard the community of any future crimes. Not to lock someone up on moral grounds.
 

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Second chances are fine but third, fourth, fifth etc etc are wrong.

What needs to change is what actually goes on in prison. Criminals should be educated and rehabilitated. We treat them much like we treat out kids, stick them in front of the TV and hope for the best. I agree that the primary function of prison should be to protect us and to rehabilitate them but it should also be somewhere that a, people don't want to end up and b, people don't want to go back to.
 

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Well, your logic has been proven again and again to not work. Harsher sentencing does not equal lower crime. Pretty straightforward with plenty of examples. The US being one.

Ive also seen plenty of example of second chances proven to work. While it may sound awfully cold to say, prison should be about rehabilitating the criminal, to safeguard the community of any future crimes. Not to lock someone up on moral grounds.


How many you've seen work really isn't relevant, without even looking I can almost guarantee there has been more re-offenders than people who have stuck to the "I'm good now" track. As for the USA its quite silly saying that about the USA given A) the population of the place as a whole B) silly state laws and C) gun laws, its obvious that locking people up won't change fuck all there because quite simply there are plenty more people still out there to commit crime and always will be.

My main point with USA sentences vs UK sentences was it makes you think twice

Its a case of 20+ years in prison vs 6 months-4 years in prison, not really hard to see why it'd have a bigger psychological effect on so called criminal hard men
 

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I think the strongest correlation for crime is general poverty - once everyone can afford a tv etc then crime falls..

Back in the day when people were dirt poor crime was rife even when it could earn you death/transportation.

Desperate people do more crime - alleviating poverty = less crime.
 

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Prison is retrobution and sentences are based on how long before the victims forget..if someone murdered a loved one of mine I would count the fuckin days till they got out and torture them to death..unlucky for them..but lifes a bitch
 

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Isn't it annoying when you have games that don't let you skip the intro logo etc? Know why? Because while those are playing the game is loading bits and bobs just like any other loading screen would.

Funny how something that is meant to fill out annoying stuff(like loading) becomes a norm to hate.

Ofcourse it would help if developers told this to people ;)
 

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Except when you can skip them...

Anyway, Mark Webber is on Top Gear this week.
 
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Isn't it annoying when you have games that don't let you skip the intro logo etc? Know why? Because while those are playing the game is loading bits and bobs just like any other loading screen would.

Funny how something that is meant to fill out annoying stuff(like loading) becomes a norm to hate.

Ofcourse it would help if developers told this to people ;)
im sure you posted this a few months ago
 

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Except when you can skip them...

Yeap, legal reasons that they must be in, but all don't load during that. Just saying why you cant skip some.

im sure you posted this a few months ago

I'm sure people are way too invested in my posting history(or should i say -supposed- posting history) considering the way it's usually stated as 99% bullcrap :love:

He likes to remind us he works in the gaming industry on a regular basis.

This from someone who talks about his IT sh*t every other week :cheers:
 
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