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[Scouse]

So then:

Why did 30 Met officers kick the door down at a teenage tea and biscuits meeting in a Quaker house?

When six young women hired a room to discuss the war in Gaza, the gathering ended with 30 officers storming in to make arrests

www.theguardian.com

Police confiscated her phone, laptop, her diary, Oyster card and French grammar book. “I said it’s my French grammar book and the officer said: ‘Well how do I know that. I don’t speak French.'

This is what it is to live in Britain.

 

[Gwadien]

Agree @Gwadien, but it's also normal behaviour. This is why child stars get fucked up. But we still make cash off 12 year olds.

It's a bit different

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYb80zUs6_g&t=17s

 

[Scouse]

It's a bit different

Honestly, why? i don't know her or the show, but it's just a meme. If that's going to fuck up her day then she'll be suicidal by her mid 20's.

 

[caLLous]

Honestly, why? i don't know her or the show, but it's just a meme. If that's going to fuck up her day then she'll be suicidal by her mid 20's.

Because it's got fuck all to do with the fact that she was known as a child actor? She's non-binary (which is a massive, instant red flag to people for no good reason whatsoever), has autism and doesn't "look" the way virgins on the internet think Ellie should look.

 

[Gwadien]

Because it's got fuck all to do with the fact that she was known as a child actor? She's non-binary (which is a massive, instant red flag to people for no good reason whatsoever), has autism and doesn't "look" the way virgins on the internet think Ellie should look.

This, and the fact she's 18 so has grown up with social media.

 

[Scouse]

LIke I said, I never played the game, didn't get the meme. Don't know (or care) about the TV series or the girl.

It's a meme. She's not special. It's not "different". It's just normal stupid shit.

 

[Gwadien]

Lol, classic.

 

[Scouse]

Lol, classic.

Do you think she should be immune from the normal shit that famous people are always subject to?

I'm not saying it's nice, but really? She's an adult.

"Oh noes, she's non-binary". Like that matters. If you put that information out into the public sphere then you've also got to expect all the shit that comes with it.

She'll be getting very well paid and taking fuckloads of praise and getting loads of plaudits from all corners. But because she's an actress there's going to be corners of the interwebs that post not very nice things.

Big deal.

What I don't understand is that there seem to be a lot of people here getting butthurt on her behalf. I still don't get it. Why is it "a bit different". Why is she special?

It doesn't seem to me to be her, but your reactions. So why do you love her so much?

 

[Raven]

It's not normal...

It's thousands and thousands of neckbeards upset that they can't knock one out. Pissing themselves with emotion, because a gay person is playing a gay character.

 

[Gwadien]

Do you think she should be immune from the normal shit that famous people are always subject to?

I'm not saying it's nice, but really? She's an adult.

"Oh noes, she's non-binary". Like that matters. If you put that information out into the public sphere then you've also got to expect all the shit that comes with it.

She'll be getting very well paid and taking fuckloads of praise and getting loads of plaudits from all corners. But because she's an actress there's going to be corners of the interwebs that post not very nice things.

Big deal.

What I don't understand is that there seem to be a lot of people here getting butthurt on her behalf. I still don't get it. Why is it "a bit different". Why is she special?

It doesn't seem to me to be her, but your reactions. So why do you love her so much?

It has nothing to do with this anymore, it's all to do with you admitting you have zero clue about the context yet you're doubling down.

 

[Gwadien]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/STJgUucbbzo?si=B6zTzE6oqIxqfXB7


Labour once again putting themselves in a shit situation.

How do you convince a population that you've told that education and careers is everything that they have to go and wipe arses for a living instead?

Yvette Cooper suggesting its all about money is kind of ridiculous and shows a Tory level of being out of touch.

Plus how the feck is this going to help the increasing issue of care costs.

 

[Scouse]

It has nothing to do with this anymore, it's all to do with you admitting you have zero clue about the context yet you're doubling down.

I'm asking. You're not explaining.

I'm willing to see this as some special case, but you don't seem to be able to make it. So maybe it actually isn't.

 

[Scouse]

How do you convince a population that you've told that education and careers is everything that they have to go and wipe arses for a living instead?

She made a point about a lot of inactive UK people.

Now, if you've retired early and you can support yourself, that's fine.

But if you've been unemployed for six months and can't find a job, then go wipe arses until you can get something better, no?

Why should immigrants do jobs we find distasteful?

 

[Raven]

Demand will outpace supply, cost (wages) will have to go up, thus increasing the tax burden, further compounded by people getting paid better for wiping arses privately, and also increasing private cost, especially with an ageing population.

It's stupid, and a knee-jerk reaction to appease the right.

What they should not be doing, is stuff like the largely pointless winter fuel payment shithousery, which won't actually save all that much money, but disgusts so many voters. Then they don't need to make a rod for their own back.

 

[Scouse]

Nurses get (on average) about £33k.

RCN wants a 25% pay rise or striking again. (Despite a 2.8% pay offer (inflation year to May is 2.6%)).

NHS nurses could go on strike in pursuit of 25% pay rise, union boss warns

Exclusive: RCN’s Nicola Ranger says nurses could ‘bare our teeth’ as they seek restoration of lost earnings

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

Nurses get (on average) about £33k.

RCN wants a 25% pay rise or striking again. (Despite a 2.8% pay offer (inflation year to May is 2.6%)).

NHS nurses could go on strike in pursuit of 25% pay rise, union boss warns

Exclusive: RCN’s Nicola Ranger says nurses could ‘bare our teeth’ as they seek restoration of lost earnings

www.theguardian.com

Teachers are doing the same.

 

[Scouse]

Teachers are doing the same.

Yeah, but if teachers strike the only problem is with childcare

 

[Scouse]

So I guess there's a lot of rage on t' webz about Last of Us, hence the butthurtery. So:

This nail it?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vxJtTUz5o

 

[Gwadien]

So I guess there's a lot of rage on t' webz about Last of Us, hence the butthurtery. So:

This nail it?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vxJtTUz5o

Yeah flicked through, standard critical drinker video, knows his audience, ez rage bait.

I turned off after the 'political pandering' part where suggests they're trying to promote communism, bore off.

 

[DaGaffer]

She made a point about a lot of inactive UK people.

Now, if you've retired early and you can support yourself, that's fine.

But if you've been unemployed for six months and can't find a job, then go wipe arses until you can get something better, no?

Why should immigrants do jobs we find distasteful?

She basically said "we're cutting off your cheap supply of labour so you'll have to figure out another approach". Which is fine, except the "other approach" will inevitably involve cutting large numbers of people out of the social security system (because people will not wipe arses unless they absolutely have to) and then people like you who moan that Labour are basically the Tories anyway will go "see? I told you so".

I'd also point out that a third of those people she classed as inactive are full time students, but hey, I'm sure they can wipe a few arses between lectures.

 

[Scouse]

Which is fine, except the "other approach" will inevitably involve cutting large numbers of people out of the social security system (because people will not wipe arses unless they absolutely have to)

Yep. That's what's coming. Kinda obvious.

and then people like you who moan that Labour are basically the Tories anyway will go "see? I told you so".

And I'd be right. Anyone who thought they were going to act differently before the election have been proven wrong. It was clear what Starmer and his project was when he purged the party.

I'm under no illusions as to what that means. But what are the options here?

The UK public have been very clear - immigration seems to be a big beef for many of them. That means us hiring immigrants to do care work appears no longer to be an option. That means we have to do it.

I agree with you. It's likely they'll pull some of the social security net. But if social security is the thing that's stopping people from having a job, even a shit job, then should we be doing that?

None of this means I like it. But every time I've argued for wholesale systemic change I've been shot down and called a communist. So if we don't want to rebalance the whole system, and don't want immigrants, then we better start caring for our old people ourselves, right?

I'd also point out that a third of those people she classed as inactive are full time students, but hey, I'm sure they can wipe a few arses between lectures.

That's just fucking weird.

If you've retired, you've earned your bit and if you're inactive and can support yourself then the state should fuck off. We're not (supposed to be) slaves.

If you're a student then you're not "economically inactive". For a start, you're fucking paying for your training. And most of them have jobs too. That's a far cry from when me and you went to Uni.

But Labour be cunts, just like the Tories, right?

Bottom line is - if we don't want immigration, we're not magicing money, then we're going to have to force people into low paid jobs they don't want to do, but can do. Which sucks. But what's the other way?

Honestly, I'm all ears.

 

[Gwadien]

I don't get it, Labour HAVE to listen to the 'public' and have strong anti immigration stances.

Also grrr Labour are Tory lite?

 

[Scouse]

Are you more interested in how I feel about it or the actual problems @Gwadien?

I think what I said above pretty much reflects the sotuation, no?

So, what do you think they should do?

 

[Gwadien]

I just think it's very easy to have an opinion on things when you allow yourself to be contradictory but don't allow that privilege for others.

 

[DaGaffer]

Bottom line is - if we don't want immigration, we're not magicing money, then we're going to have to force people into low paid jobs they don't want to do, but can do. Which sucks. But what's the other way?

Honestly, I'm all ears.

What do I keep saying? You get the politicians you deserve. As you point out, the British public has made it clear they want to pull up the drawbridge. Fine. The problem is no politician will dare to draw the real picture of what that means.

There are two essential job categories in the UK that are powered by immigrants; food production and healthcare. There's a third category, hospitality, but that's not "keeping the lights on" stuff. The problem with the British is they are in a permanent state of "someone else will do that", and as long as it's not them, they don't give a shit.

Maybe what the UK needs is a dose of reality; an NHS with no care workers and cleaners and a harvest rotting in the fields for a year; but the great British public will still blame the government, not their own bad choices.

 

[Embattle]

A major part of the problem is that successive governments have completely failed to explain the need for migration in certain areas while seemingly completely losing control in all areas of migration, now they aren't given the time to make changes in a reasonable amount of time and people want instant results or you can quite simply fuck off.

 

[Scouse]

I just think it's very easy to have an opinion on things when you allow yourself to be contradictory but don't allow that privilege for others.

For our politicians? They're supposed to solve these problems. That's their job.

So, how do you feel about it?

 

[Scouse]

What do I keep saying? You get the politicians you deserve. .... Fine. The problem is no politician will dare to draw the real picture of what that means.

So, you have a public that isn't getting politicians that show what that means. I don't think deserve is the right word because it implies a moral failing. If the public were told the truth and then voted something else, then yeah, that'd be arguably a fair accusation (if we lived in a real democracy).

Also this:

Maybe what the UK needs is a dose of reality; an NHS with no care workers and cleaners and a harvest rotting in the fields for a year; but the great British public will still blame the government, not their own bad choices.

Maybe what the world needs is a proper conversation about the economic system and how it's geared.

But, in the absence of anyone willing or capable of taking the correct course of action for all of humanity, yeah - this is what'll happen. And we'll start rioting, we'll decend into facism.


I don't think most of us on this forum are a million miles away from each other.

 

[Deebs]

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I don't think most of us on this forum are a million miles away from each other.

That is about the only thing you've said that makes sense and is true (only trying to bring humour)