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It doesn't slow down. It either works, or it fails.

Transmission of electrons across silicone doesn't slow down over time. Period.

So you're right - it's nothing like a steam engine - but apple (and their ilk) are using "it's wearing out like a steam engine" excuses in order to make their artificial nerfing of the user experience to drive sales paletable.

They're fucking shysters.
Apple blamed it on battery power and lack of on older phones that had been used a long time.
whatever.
apparently they stopped doing it.
 

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Lol!

@Job! Are you spinning in your future grave??

Bo-jo just announced that we're no kind of superpower!

that blonde wanker said:
"No longer a military superpower but can be [not "are"] a science superpower"
And since science is education-driven, and our overall standards are dropping where other cultures (who put education on a pedestal rather than denigrate it as useless, like many working class brits) are rapidly advancing, I wonder where that future lies.

It looks like we're cooked tbh. Gentle slide into mediocrity for Blighty as a nation.

As a nation, of course, but not for the rich. They already have divorced themselves of the idiocy of nationalism and now just see countries as delivery pods, delivering shareholder value into their pockets whilst they have trans-national passports and multiple houses (or boats) wherever's prettiest / most fun.

Nationalism is for the poor and dumb.
 

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Lol!

@Job! Are you spinning in your future grave??

Bo-jo just announced that we're no kind of superpower!



And since science is education-driven, and our overall standards are dropping where other cultures (who put education on a pedestal rather than denigrate it as useless, like many working class brits) are rapidly advancing, I wonder where that future lies.

It looks like we're cooked tbh. Gentle slide into mediocrity for Blighty as a nation.

As a nation, of course, but not for the rich. They already have divorced themselves of the idiocy of nationalism and now just see countries as delivery pods, delivering shareholder value into their pockets whilst they have trans-national passports and multiple houses (or boats) wherever's prettiest / most fun.

Nationalism is for the poor and dumb.
Of course we are not a superpower any more. We are trading on our past. We have a good financial sector if it doesnt move into europe. But mainly its cause we have nukes.
 

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It doesn't slow down. It either works, or it fails.

Transmission of electrons across silicone doesn't slow down over time. Period.

So you're right - it's nothing like a steam engine - but apple (and their ilk) are using "it's wearing out like a steam engine" excuses in order to make their artificial nerfing of the user experience to drive sales paletable.

They're fucking shysters.
That doesn't sound right, there are still physical connections on chips that can wear, dust ingress etc. thermal coupling and heatsinks that get old. Chip makers usually undercook clock speeds etc. so you don't see the impact of this stuff over a chip's "normal" lifespan, but eventually it will have an effect, and that doesn't necessarily mean fail/no fail.

Institute of Electrical Engineers agrees:
 

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I thought BoJo’s efforts were better than his usual level of shit - there were quite a few admissions today even if they were covered by his ho hoing
 

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So a post of a bkack guy on reddit pics wearing a tshirt thats says on the back.

Dont shoot , its just cardio.
Loads of jokey replies about getting himself set up to be shot...too quick for old racists etc.

So...

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I guess its calling for violence in a way....might as well go big.
 

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But in there they admit "you'd never notice it".

Yes, there's degredation, but not to the point that your hardware slows down noticeably. The pathways have to work.
The pathways work fine but no good if the battery explodes in your face
 

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The pathways work fine but no good if the battery explodes in your face
This is true - but your CPU doesn't slow to 1/5th speed to achieve this and in the days of replaceable batteries the slowdown was still apparent.
 

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Lol!

@Job! Are you spinning in your future grave??

Bo-jo just announced that we're no kind of superpower!



And since science is education-driven, and our overall standards are dropping where other cultures (who put education on a pedestal rather than denigrate it as useless, like many working class brits) are rapidly advancing, I wonder where that future lies.

It looks like we're cooked tbh. Gentle slide into mediocrity for Blighty as a nation.

As a nation, of course, but not for the rich. They already have divorced themselves of the idiocy of nationalism and now just see countries as delivery pods, delivering shareholder value into their pockets whilst they have trans-national passports and multiple houses (or boats) wherever's prettiest / most fun.

Nationalism is for the poor and dumb.
Were a global power..havent been a super power for a very long time.
 

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Uncharted territory by end of century. We could theoretically turn into another venus in the longer term.

I think we're fucked either way :(
 

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Uncharted territory by end of century. We could theoretically turn into another venus in the longer term.

I think we're fucked either way :(
Be dead before then. And earth will die at some point anyway.
 

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Be dead before then. And earth will die at some point anyway.
When the sun expands, yes. But so soon?

Unnecessary! - we *could* get to the stars / populate other planets, but we are killing our own opportunities.

Plus - you may well still be alive when, for examples, wars kick off because of mass migrations due to, perhaps, famine caused by the changing climate.

Fuck coronavirus. We need to "level up" human culture and intellect, and quick.
 

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Uncharted territory by end of century. We could theoretically turn into another venus in the longer term.

I think we're fucked either way :(
Fucking LOL. We have about as much chance of turning into Venus as @Job does of joining BLM. You only have to have a very brief look at the atmospheric composition of both planets, and comparative atmospheric pressures, to see why it just isn't going to happen.

Venus is 96.5% CO2, we are at 0.04% - burning all the fossil fuels we have in one big go may take us to 0.2%, possibly. The average pressure of the atmosphere on Venus is 93 bar, compared to just over 1 bar on Earth at sea level. If Earth was to get anywhere near this, we'd have much bigger things to worry about than Global Wombling.
 

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You only have to have a very brief look at the atmospheric composition of both planets.
Oh rly?

That's the fun thing about runaway physical processes. Chemistry and physics are chemistry and physics.

Currently we're at a level of CO2 in the atmosphere last seen 2.6m years ago. Long before Homo Sapiens was even a thing, sea levels were about 30m higher and trees were all over the arctic.

Not saying we'll be venus - I'm saying things could be *catastrophic* - but in conversation with a guy who doesn't think it's in any way a worry, that smoking doesn't really matter, and that locking down due to covid was a pointless waste of time I guess consideration of potential runaway impacts on earth's physical processes ain't even worth bringing up.
 

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Oh rly?

That's the fun thing about runaway physical processes. Chemistry and physics are chemistry and physics.

Currently we're at a level of CO2 in the atmosphere last seen 2.6m years ago. Long before Homo Sapiens was even a thing, sea levels were about 30m higher and trees were all over the arctic.

Not saying we'll be venus - I'm saying things could be *catastrophic* - but in conversation with a guy who doesn't think it's in any way a worry, that smoking doesn't really matter, and that locking down due to covid was a pointless waste of time I guess consideration of potential runaway impacts on earth's physical processes ain't even worth bringing up.
I'm sure you're aware of the fun thing with computer models - they have little basis in reality due to the number of factors in any system we do not understand fully hence cannot model - and tend to be an exercise in Garbage In, Garbage Out. Ferguson's COVID model springs to mind as an obvious example, but pretty much all the climate computer models suffer the same problem - last I checked we hadn't even figured out how to model Clouds yet, which is a bit of an omission, considering how powerful a GHG Water Vapour is.

However given that we are at a "scary" level of CO2 in the atmosphere not seen since sea levels were 30m higher and there were trees in the Arctic, surely the fact that there aren't currently trees all over the arctic, and sea levels are rising at the same miniscule rate they have been for hundreds of years, kind of shows the link between CO2 and temperature is more than a bit tenuous.

I'm sure you are aware that there is a "minimum" level of CO2 in the atmosphere required for plants to grow, and below this ecosystems tend to fail due to the lack of food. That level is around 150 ppm, and at the start of the Industrial Revolution we were just above 250, and fluctuating between that and 180 depending on Ice Ages, etc. So if we were to look at things rationally (difficult for an alarmist I know), you'd have to say all that additional CO2 we're adding - which came from the atmosphere in the first place - is providing us with a much more habitable planet, even without all the many benefits of Fossil Fuels themselves.

So no, it isn't a worry.
 

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Yeah there were three or four beeches last weekend down here saying to not go their cause of discharge into the sea.

but its a million percent better than when we were kids bathing next to sewer outflow pipes on beaches lol
 

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Yeah there were three or four beeches last weekend down here saying to not go their cause of discharge into the sea.

but its a million percent better than when we were kids bathing next to sewer outflow pipes on beaches lol
They just built long sea outfalls with a bit of tidal current modelling so the shit still goes there :(
 

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No we didnt miss him while he was away.
 

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