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[dysfunction]

I thought DVLA knew automatically if you were untaxed and just sent out the fine? I thought that was the deal with the whole "no tax disc" thing these days?

Yes they do but it's not immediate. I think you have some time after it expires. Although I wouldn't want to risk it.

 

[Job]

Its going to have to go astronomical when everyone starts driving electric cars.

Like 1000 a year car tax for even small cars.

 

[Scouse]

Why? They'll just change the rule to include EV's

 

[Moriath]

View: https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1235506614272241664


Hahaha

 

[Job]

That will live for ever

 

[Job]

Why? They'll just change the rule to include EV's

I cant see how its workable to tax electricity just for charging, tax on fuel is 50% unless you use red diesel.
I guess they'll just have to tax ecars at source or hilariously ban you from moonshining it from your own solar or wind.



Edit.
Electric cars: call for tax on road usage to cover lost fuel revenue | Electric, hybrid and low-emission cars | The Guardian

 

[DaGaffer]

I’ve just agreed with @Job. I feel dirty

The move to EVs is definitely going to put a major dent in the Treasury’s income unless they come up with alternate measures. £28bn a year is a big hole to fill; £1000 a year car tax would cover a substantial chunk of that (although not all) and would still be net cheaper for most drivers assuming the power companies don’t start gouging.

 

[Bodhi]

We could just tax being a smug bastard with adenoids and no friends - that should get the EV drivers who are dodging taxes by commuting to work in a golf buggy?

 

[Scouse]

It'll be GPS per-mile road pricing. With people who use busy roads at peak times paying the most.

Job-jobbed.

 

[Job]

And they'll use those glorious gps embedded ignition units to prevent yo from driving to certain areas unless you have a premium package.

Thanks EU...I know it was all about people in ditches.....my fucking arse.

 

[DaGaffer]

And they'll use those glorious gps embedded ignition units to prevent yo from driving to certain areas unless you have a premium package.

Thanks EU...I know it was all about people in ditches.....my fucking arse.

You’re not in the EU any more. Didn’t you get the memo?

 

[Wij]

My finger went through the bogroll just now. All shit under my fingernail.

Bloody EU!!

 

[Scouse]

Aside from the fact he's talking shit again anyway.

Such a leap to conspiracy - apart from the fact that GPS won't "stop people driving" anywhere. You'll just get charged for it.

Which is fair enough tbh. Apart from the fact it'll be abused.

 

[Scouse]

My finger went through the bogroll just now. All shit under my fingernail

*fap*

 

[Moriath]

Aside from the fact he's talking shit again anyway.

Such a leap to conspiracy - apart from the fact that GPS won't "stop people driving" anywhere. You'll just get charged for it.

Which is fair enough tbh. Apart from the fact it'll be abused.

Which will then be a means test on the poor. The rich will be able to afford to drive where they like. The poor will have to budget where they can drive and when they can drive.

 

[DaGaffer]

Which will then be a means test on the poor. The rich will be able to afford to drive where they like. The poor will have to budget where they can drive and when they can drive.

...which is different to buying petrol how exactly?

 

[Scouse]

...which is different to buying petrol how exactly?

Yeah. Just about to say this.

You can't be a capitalist @Moriath then whine when people without capital get treated like they live in a capitalist society.

 

[Scouse]

...which is different to buying petrol how exactly?

Devil's advocate though - when councils abuse it by setting high rates on congested roads they'll congratulate themselves on clearing congestion whilst rich guys sail straight into town.

The poor will struggle to get to work as it'll become prohibitively expensive. But then, we should be forcing people onto busses for the environment anyway.

What will happen is we steal more time from people tbh.

 

[Job]

In a statement, the EC said that while it acknowledged the public concern over privacy, such fears were overblown. The device will be "dormant" unless a serious accident occurs, it said, and no data would be shared without consent.

"We are frequently getting contacted by citizens concerned that by having eCall installed in their vehicles, their location will be continuously tracked, their driving habits monitored and their private life infringed," the EC said.

"[But] there are absolutely no reasons to be worried about your privacy. Confusion should be avoided between the public Pan European 112 eCall that is proposed by the EC and other private road safety systems."

So-called black boxes with the eCall device are already fitted as standard in some BMW, Citroen and Volvo models and work anywhere in Europe by calling 112, the common emergency number which reverts to the local 999 in Britain.

The Commission plans to assess in 2021 whether eCall devices should also be fitted onto new buses, coaches and trucks.

We only want to look after you..your safety and happiness is all we think about...the EU is your friend..we only want the best for you.

 

[Gwadien]

In a statement, the EC said that while it acknowledged the public concern over privacy, such fears were overblown. The device will be "dormant" unless a serious accident occurs, it said, and no data would be shared without consent.

"We are frequently getting contacted by citizens concerned that by having eCall installed in their vehicles, their location will be continuously tracked, their driving habits monitored and their private life infringed," the EC said.

"[But] there are absolutely no reasons to be worried about your privacy. Confusion should be avoided between the public Pan European 112 eCall that is proposed by the EC and other private road safety systems."

So-called black boxes with the eCall device are already fitted as standard in some BMW, Citroen and Volvo models and work anywhere in Europe by calling 112, the common emergency number which reverts to the local 999 in Britain.

The Commission plans to assess in 2021 whether eCall devices should also be fitted onto new buses, coaches and trucks.

We only want to look after you..your safety and happiness is all we think about...the EU is your friend..we only want the best for you.

You're fake newsing wrong.

You don't post the part where it talks about that it'll only be activated if there's an accident!

 

[Gwadien]

View: https://twitter.com/iNabber69/status/1235614615964282881?s=19

 

[Scouse]

@Job - I don't know how to break it to you but we're not in Europe any more.

This is ALL about the UK. What the UK government wants to do with it's sovereign powers.

Time to give up on youe EU bashing old bean. I know your neurons are glacial but everything that happens now is our* fault.



*your

 

[Job]

Yes..we believe them if course.

No chance if events changing policy there whatsoever...it quite clearly has the caoacity...Galileo is built with that capacity.

On the road to hell....

We are atill paet of Galileo, in fact one of the founding and major partners

 

[caLLous]

We are atill paet of Galileo

Not for long (certainly not if no trade deal is agreed) and it sounds like the replacement is coming together nicely.

UK’s Galileo rival delayed amid wrangling and rising costs

Satellite system hailed as symbol of post-Brexit independence loses its way

Britain’s plan for a new sovereign satellite navigation system — pushed by the government as a symbol of post-Brexit independence — has been delayed for at least six months amid disagreements about the scope and costs of the multibillion-pound space project.

A feasibility study for the programme was launched in 2018 after the UK was shut out of the EU’s £10bn Galileo programme because it voted to leave the EU. That study was due to be published this month, sketching out the shape of the project and paving the way for work to begin.

However, several industry and official sources say the project has now been put on hold amid wrangling between ministers and officials over what the final system should look like.

Until now industry and the UK Space Agency have been working closely only with the Ministry of Defence on a potential design that would be similar to the EU’s Galileo. The EU system aims to have 24 satellites in medium-earth orbit to provide both an openly available navigation service as well as a highly encrypted positioning platform designed for public service authorities or the military.

However, the costs of such a system are now expected to run to £5bn, substantially higher than the initial expectations of £3bn-£4bn when the programme was launched.

Now a Cabinet Office review across ministries has questioned whether a full global system is necessary, according to several industry sources with knowledge of the subject.

“The problem is that this programme was launched in the political environment of Brexit, but there has been no discussion among stakeholders about what the requirement is,” said a space industry executive with knowledge of the situation. “We are having a pause.”

One alternative is a slimmer and less costly version that would use openly available signals from US or European satellites to deliver the positioning, while a smaller subset of British satellites would refine and encrypt the data.

In the meantime, work on the feasibility study has come to a standstill. “In recent months there has been delay after delay,” said one industry figure. “It seems the UK lacks the expertise to judge the industry proposals so everything is taking much longer.”

The hold-up has dismayed many in the industry, which has already been locked out of EU space projects since the referendum. Britain has set a target to snare 10 per cent of the commercial space market — covering a range of commercial applications from broadcast satellites to earth observations — by 2030, which will be difficult to meet without access to EU space programmes.

However, some suggested that the pause offered an opportunity to do something radically different from Galileo, given the advances in technology since the system was designed nearly two decades ago.

“This is an opportunity to do something that goes well beyond Galileo,” said Stuart Martin, chief executive of the Satellite Applications Catapult and a member of the UK Space Council. “If we do this it will give us an immediate export opportunity and we would be adding to the systems already there.

It doesn't really matter if the UK is one of the "founding and major partners" if it's going to strop off on its own though does it?

 

[Gwadien]

We are atill paet of Galileo, in fact one of the founding and major partners

This is what I find so bizzare about your views though.

How can you not see that the UK Government will keep all the sinister bits of legislation that the EU has created over the years and chuck out the stuff that protects people.

I don't understand how you can be so trusting (or not critical) of our Government whilst criticising the EU.

 

[Scouse]

We are atill paet of Galileo, in fact one of the founding and major partners

Yes we are. It was our idea.

We can leave any time we want - so any continued participation is because WE want to.

Job - everything, now, is on us. Everything.

No one else to blame, ever. We've left. All the Tories, with their record victory. This is our reality.

If we don't want to gps track our citizens then we are completely free not too - and whatever the EU wants can fucking die in a barrel.

Anything we do is our choice. Period.

So STFU about the EU now and forever. You've got what you want. Everthing now is about this paradise you've promised us will happen once we've left the EU.

STFU and deliver it.

 

[Moriath]

Tourist hotspots deserted as coronavirus spreads

Best time to be a tourist tbh

 

[Moriath]

...which is different to buying petrol how exactly?

Petrol is the same price if you go on the motorway or the a road. What @Scouse was saying was roads could be made more expensive than other roads to use. So those with more money could afford the better roads / routes.

 

[Moriath]

Yeah. Just about to say this.

You can't be a capitalist @Moriath then whine when people without capital get treated like they live in a capitalist society.

I am as you have seen a lot complaining that captialism is broke.

 

[Scouse]

Petrol is the same price if you go on the motorway or the a road. What @Scouse was saying was roads could be made more expensive than other roads to use. So those with more money could afford the better roads / routes.

Yes.

Fairer though. If you pollute more, because you waste energy stuck in traffic, you should pay more.

No?