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[Gwadien]

This shit is well boring.

 

[fettoken]

Yes @fettoken very much this. It's a very good reminder of your history.

However, it doesn't ignore the fact that abuse of women in Vietnam and Korea was abhorrent by the American forces - sure, it wasn't on the same scale as Japan, but it's very weird to criticise Japanese history and ignore your own more recent history.

That was my critique, it really doesn't belong in San Francisco. Throwing rocks in glass houses is a massive understatement. Countries really want to tone down their mistakes in the past and rather point fingers at others.

This shit is well boring.

More like:

66~ million years BC - Had to deal with an extinction-level asteroid. Did go extinct.


2018: Require safe spaces to protect them from opinions they don't like, while not understanding there's no safe space from extinction from global warming..

 

[Gwadien]

That was my critique, it really doesn't belong in San Francisco. Throwing rocks in glass houses is a massive understatement. Countries really want to tone down their mistakes in the past and rather point fingers at others.

This is where I agree with @Job funnily enough.

The West has this Liberal agenda, which promotes freedom and equality, mix that in with a batch of good old patriotism, and you have a dangerous combination of a nation that doesn't practice what they preach.

 

[Job]

The Japanese are probably the most racist and xenophobic people on the planet..but its allright because they are very polite and not white enough to be pulled up on it.

 

[fettoken]

This is where I agree with @Job funnily enough.

The West has this Liberal agenda, which promotes freedom and equality, mix that in with a batch of good old patriotism, and you have a dangerous combination of a nation that doesn't practice what they preach.

Define The West, Liberal and Liberal Agenda.. heh.

Yo. About Patriotism and dangerous combination - there's a documentary on Netflix which shows immigrants that's about to get sworn in as new citizens in different states. They denounce their old country and swears allegiance to the US. It's a fucking freak-show, but at the same time, i find it intriguing. We don't have that in Sweden. There's no motivation. You need the right amount of liberalism and patriotism in my opinion!

 

[Job]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

That should be above every university entrance.

 

[Scouse]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

That should be above every university entrance.

It kind of is.

But also - "don't be a coward" works too.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yes @fettoken very much this. It's a very good reminder of your history.

However, it doesn't ignore the fact that abuse of women in Vietnam and Korea was abhorrent by the American forces - sure, it wasn't on the same scale as Japan, but it's very weird to criticise Japanese history and ignore your own more recent history.

False equivalence. What went on with the Japanese was nothing like the Americans in Vietnam and Korea; not even remotely. And Americans protested massively about Vietnam at the time, Japan still whitewashes its wartime past to this very day.

I am however a bit confused about why this statue has been erected in San Francisco, and not Seoul or Shanghai.

 

[Gwadien]

False equivalence. What went on with the Japanese was nothing like the Americans in Vietnam and Korea; not even remotely. And Americans protested massively about Vietnam at the time, Japan still whitewashes its wartime past to this very day.

Hmm, I'd say that's fairly unfair.

It was WW2, the scale was slightly bigger than Nam/Korea.

Americans protested Vietnam, because they could - and it wasn't always about think about the 'Namese, it was shit, I don't want to be enlisted

Put it this way; if the British actively did something to single out Germany for their use of Concentration camps (holocaust memorials don't count, they're slightly different) then I probably would raise a few eye brows, since sure - we didn't use them on the scale or the horror as Germany, but we sure enjoyed a good concentration camp across t' Empire.

 

[Job]

I believe we invented them in this era anyway.

They were all proxy wars anyway...as if the US would send troops to protect brown people.

 

[Job]

I posted a reply on the Guard about spiders shutting down schools.

I wrote..next is transphobic spiders...they eat males!

Deleted straight away.

 

[Wij]

I posted a reply on the Guard about spiders shutting down schools.

I wrote..next is transphobic spiders...they eat males!

Deleted straight away.

Buh?

Should have posted to the Daily Mail comments. It would have gone down a treat.

 

[Gwadien]

I posted a reply on the Guard about spiders shutting down schools.

I wrote..next is transphobic spiders...they eat males!

Deleted straight away.

Inappropriate message deleted in shocker.

 

[Job]

They like a laugh down at lib HQ.

 

[Moriath]

Hmm, I'd say that's fairly unfair.

It was WW2, the scale was slightly bigger than Nam/Korea.

Americans protested Vietnam, because they could - and it wasn't always about think about the 'Namese, it was shit, I don't want to be enlisted

Put it this way; if the British actively did something to single out Germany for their use of Concentration camps (holocaust memorials don't count, they're slightly different) then I probably would raise a few eye brows, since sure - we didn't use them on the scale or the horror as Germany, but we sure enjoyed a good concentration camp across t' Empire.

We didnt have gas chambers for mass executions. Those in internment camps in south africa were in the low tens of thousands and although a lot died of disease it wasnt the intention of the setting them up to turn them into murder factorys. So yeah like you say no where near the intent or scale of the Germans.

But why are holocaust museums and memorials different? They are performing the same function. Reminding everyone what happened at the hands of the germans in the 30s and 40s.

So we do poke at the german nation for what they did. Even though we have done similar ona smaller scale.

 

[Scouse]

They like a laugh down at lib HQ.

They probably do but it was desparately unfunny.

 

[Job]

View: https://i.imgur.com/pZrQWkY.gifv

 

[Gwadien]

We didnt have gas chambers for mass executions. Those in internment camps in south africa were in the low tens of thousands and although a lot died of disease it wasnt the intention of the setting them up to turn them into murder factorys. So yeah like you say no where near the intent or scale of the Germans.

But why are holocaust museums and memorials different? They are performing the same function. Reminding everyone what happened at the hands of the germans in the 30s and 40s.

So we do poke at the german nation for what they did. Even though we have done similar ona smaller scale.

The Holocaust memorials are more about remembering that we have a duty not to persecute minorities and that things can be resolved in a peaceful manner.

That statue is just a statement against Japan, it serves no real long-term purpose.

 

[DaGaffer]

Please show me an equivalent of forcing hundreds of thousands of women into sex slavery in any of America’s wars of the last 120 years?

You can justifiably criticise the US for My-Lai and Abu Grahib and a few other things but the Japanese were a whole other level; the things they got up to in China in particular; the Rape of Nanjing, “beheading competitions”, Unit 731 etc. etc. these are things that even put the Nazis in the shade when it comes to atrocities. I’ll say it again, the US has nothing on that scale or intensity to apologise for.

 

[DaGaffer]

Why is remembering people brutalised by the Japanese different to a Holocaust memorial? Seems to be exactly the same to me. And given there’s no memorial for those people in Japan (unlike Holocaust memorials in Berlin) maybe it’s right and proper that someone else builds one. That someone else should probably be in China or Korea or the Philippines, but whatever.

 

[Moriath]

The Holocaust memorials are more about remembering that we have a duty not to persecute minorities and that things can be resolved in a peaceful manner.

That statue is just a statement against Japan, it serves no real long-term purpose.

I disagree

 

[Scouse]

I disagree

What do you think it means?

 

[Moriath]

What do you think it means?

I think the holocaust are not just pointing out against minorites they are also to remind and keep in the memory the terrible things the germans did specifically.

Like the statue is doing that same for the japanese. Although they should have pointed out the terrible slave labour they made their prisoners do also.

I get youcant see it but i liked the post above as this was exactly the point.

 

[fettoken]

Bought a second hand coat via Internet (new thing I'm trying out, although bit scared if it contains fleas or some such so will stop with it) and received it today. Looked good on picture but in reality, ugly as fuck. It has shoulder-pads and looks like its from the early 90's. Put it up on another second hand site for 25 quid!

This site has almost anything, with an exception. Just out of curiosity i did search for used panties (why did i do this?!) but nothing popped up..

 

[Job]

Please show me an equivalent of forcing hundreds of thousands of women into sex slavery in any of America’s wars of the last 120 years?

You can justifiably criticise the US for My-Lai and Abu Grahib and a few other things but the Japanese were a whole other level; the things they got up to in China in particular; the Rape of Nanjing, “beheading competitions”, Unit 731 etc. etc. these are things that even put the Nazis in the shade when it comes to atrocities. I’ll say it again, the US has nothing on that scale or intensity to apologise for.

I think two atomic bombs dropped on civilians kinda trumps sex slavery on every level.
Lets not forget we could have just walked away, no one was forcing us to fight in Japan.
We wanted them to surrender.

 

[Gwadien]

I think the holocaust are not just pointing out against minorites they are also to remind and keep in the memory the terrible things the germans did specifically.

Like the statue is doing that same for the japanese. Although they should have pointed out the terrible slave labour they made their prisoners do also.

I get youcant see it but i liked the post above as this was exactly the point.

That isn't the narrative though, the Nazis committed the Holocaust, not the Germans.

@DaGaffer I think we agree... I'm not implying that the Americans have conducted war crimes on the scale of the Japanese (civilian casualties not included), I'm just suggesting that it's pretty ridiculous for America to try to project this message across the world that they're their somehow the flawless saviours of the world and that gives them the right to criticise everyone else.

As for Japan white-washing their history, much like the Nazis, I think they've totally disassociated their selves with previous regimes, which means that they're not directly responsible, which I can kind of understand - the PM apologising for slavery hundreds of years ago is somewhat ridiculous. I think they're also pretty miffed that America got away with annihilating two of their cities and nobody cared.

 

[DaGaffer]

I think two atomic bombs dropped on civilians kinda trumps sex slavery on every level.
Lets not forget we could have just walked away, no one was forcing us to fight in Japan.
We wanted them to surrender.

The Japanese killed about 10m people between 1937 and 1945, for the loss of about 3m of their own. So no, two atom bombs didn't really balance the scales.

The lesson from WW1 was "make sure your enemy knows he's defeated". The Allies had to force the unconditional surrender of Japan; "walking away" wasn't an option because they'd have been at it again ten years later. The bombs actually were the way to do that with the least loss of Japanese lives. The alternatives (invasion or blockade) would have killed far more.

 

[Scouse]

i did search for used panties ... but nothing popped up..

Something popped up...

 

[BloodOmen]

Something popped up...

I half expected it to show a picture of @Edmond house tbh lol

 

[DaGaffer]

That isn't the narrative though, the Nazis committed the Holocaust, not the Germans.

@DaGaffer I think we agree... I'm not implying that the Americans have conducted war crimes on the scale of the Japanese (civilian casualties not included), I'm just suggesting that it's pretty ridiculous for America to try to project this message across the world that they're their somehow the flawless saviours of the world and that gives them the right to criticise everyone else.

As for Japan white-washing their history, much like the Nazis, I think they've totally disassociated their selves with previous regimes, which means that they're not directly responsible, which I can kind of understand - the PM apologising for slavery hundreds of years ago is somewhat ridiculous. I think they're also pretty miffed that America got away with annihilating two of their cities and nobody cared.

The Germans have engaged with, and examined their past (well, West Germans at least), the Japanese, by and large, have not. Various Japanese governments have paid reparations and made external apologies down the years, but the Japanese themselves, internally, not so much. The whole period is pretty much whitewashed in schools, whereas German kids get the full story.

As for the atom bombs, see my previous post, the Americans have nothing to apologise for, and probably did the Japanese a favour.