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[Moriath]

...and how would I know that?

Cause he talks aboutit loads on the forums.

 

[Tom]

Ah. Emma Watson said the above about Beyoncé two years ago. That will explain the hypocrisy comments then.

She said that about the video, not the performer.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYz73W_dufc

 

[Moriath]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYz73W_dufc

I always think how many takes it takes to get them to look perfect.

 

[Raven]

Cause he talks aboutit loads on the forums.

If by loads, you mean twice...then yeah sure...loads

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Must be debilitating I guess...

 

[Tom]

View: http://coub.com/view/8yuhj

 

[Moriath]

If by loads, you mean twice...then yeah sure...loads

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Must be debilitating I guess...

That specific word yes but he refers to being home bound and other similes more than twice.

... means i guess you dont mean it.

 

[Job]

 

[Raven]

Fingers crossed, its nice and slow

Martin McGuinness seriously ill in hospital, reports say

I hope he shits himself to sleep at night. Not solids mind, I hope its nice and soggy.

 

[Gwadien]

Fingers crossed, its nice and slow

Martin McGuinness seriously ill in hospital, reports say

I hope he shits himself to sleep at night. Not solids mind, I hope its nice and soggy.

The guy who dropped terrorism for diplomatic and political means of getting his message across.

Sure, I get it, it's still pretty raw, but couldn't you say the same about Nelson Mandela?

 

[Raven]

wow...comparing McGuinness to Mandela...quite a stretch.

Not only did McGuinness carry out and order a bit of good old fashioned, harmless, even plucky "blowing random people up" but he was also a horrible cunt who took pleasure in personally knee capping people who just wanted to get on with their lives.

No, I hope he takes his time, I hope he can reflect on what an absolute cunt he is, in absolute misery.

...and edit, all the good Mandela did in his later life does not wipe out the blowing shops up (shops full of blacks and whites, trying to go about their life..not that colour matters, a civilian target is still a civilian target) He was a massive scumbag still, just one that tried for redemption.

 

[Scouse]

wow...comparing McGuinness to Mandela...quite a stretch.

Not really.

 

[Gwadien]

wow...comparing McGuinness to Mandela...quite a stretch.

Not only did McGuinness carry out and order a bit of good old fashioned, harmless, even plucky "blowing random people up" but he was also a horrible cunt who took pleasure in personally knee capping people who just wanted to get on with their lives.

No, I hope he takes his time, I hope he can reflect on what an absolute cunt he is, in absolute misery.

...and edit, all the good Mandela did in his later life does not wipe out the blowing shops up (shops full of blacks and whites, trying to go about their life..not that colour matters, a civilian target is still a civilian target) He was a massive scumbag still, just one that tried for redemption.

I think that's why former terrorists/freedom fighters need to be praised though.

Sure he did some dark dark things which aren't forgivable but at the end of the day look at the relative peace since he gave it up and went into politics.

Nelson Mandela orchestrated some pretty horrible stuff too yano.

Problem is that it isn't clear cut and history had decided to credit some attacks to someone else because Nelson Mandela is a good guy now.

 

[Scouse]

@Tom - pesticides m8

 

[Raven]

I think that's why former terrorists/freedom fighters need to be praised though.

They do, yes but they should also admit to and be punished for their crimes against civilian targets. Taking some guy who wants nothing at all to do with the IRA and just wants to get on with his life and blowing his knees out with a shot gun is not freedom fighting. It is enforcement, not for a political ideal but for power.

 

[Job]

Well that's the end of that then.

Stephen Hawking: Jeremy Corbyn is a disaster for Labour.

ps..please Stevie, Khan as well.

 

[Job]

I think that's why former terrorists/freedom fighters need to be praised though.

Sure he did some dark dark things which aren't forgivable but at the end of the day look at the relative peace since he gave it up and went into politics.

Nelson Mandela orchestrated some pretty horrible stuff too yano.

Problem is that it isn't clear cut and history had decided to credit some attacks to someone else because Nelson Mandela is a good guy now.

Mandela is the poster child for terrorists everywhere, only Thatcher had the balls to call him the murderous scumbag he was, people of my age remember the carnage of the IRA, a pseudo gangster/political group of bigoted cunts, I remember the slaughter, footage of Firemen using shovels to scrape the remains of children off the floor.
If someone gave me a gun and the permission, I'd shoot that evil fuckers kids in front of him...thanks Jeremy...
Makes me want to puke everytime they promoted him on TV as a 'celeb'.
There are no bounds to peoples hypocrisy.

 

[Bodhi]

Mandela was a proper evil bastard before he went to prison - blowing up shops, the burning tyres full of petrol etc - in fact I remember being castigated when he died for pointing this out, but he did at least redeem himself by moving into politics and working to tear down an evil form of government (Apartheid).

To me McGuinness doesn't get that luxury, as he may have moved into politics to stop the death and destruction - but it was death and destruction him and his mates had a very large hand in. In fact after living in Ballymena during the troubles, the stories I heard over there make me suggest he should die a slow and agonising painful death, and then rot in hell for all of eternity. Actually, as he's a good Catholic boy (lol), I hope he ends up in purgatory. Preferably with some Unionist heavies, a pair of pliers and an everlasting supply of fingernails.

Can you tell I don't like the guy? If he'd skipped the kneecapping and went straight to politics he'd be a legend - as it is he's just another terrorist.

 

[Moriath]

If mandela hadnt been put in prison you can bet he would have continued down the violence route. He just didnt have the chance.

Not much between them imo.

 

[Raven]

Kit for new hobby arrived, a load of leather working tools and pre-treated leather. Eventual aim is to make myself a wallet but for now I am going to make a sheath for my axe.

 

[Job]

He continued to run the ANC terrorist wing from prison, it was for this and the fact he refused to denounce terrorism , that they didnt let him out long after his sentence.
This is all open knowledge, he even admitted it in his book, but the hopeless liberals had invested so much in him, that everyone had to ignore it and fawn the fucker till he died.

 

[Tom]

Given the level of discrimination in South Africa at that time, and the lack of any political process to effect meaningful change, I think I might have turned to violence too.

 

[Bodhi]

Given the level of discrimination in South Africa at that time, and the lack of any political process to effect meaningful change, I think I might have turned to violence too.

And that is the biggest difference between the two - a fucked up system versus Sky Fairy arguments.

Although looking at South Africa now, I do wonder how long until the violence erupts the other way.....

 

[Ormorof]

I mean the IRA were and are fucked up loons, but narrowing down the troubles in irelabd to simple sky fairy issues is kinda laughable

 

[Bodhi]

I mean the IRA were and are fucked up loons, but narrowing down the troubles in irelabd to simple sky fairy issues is kinda laughable

When I lived there that is how the divisions worked out - nothing to do with wanting a united Ireland (as not that many people were that keen on both sides of the border), it was whether you were a Catholic or a Protestant.

 

[DaGaffer]

And that is the biggest difference between the two - a fucked up system versus Sky Fairy arguments.

Although looking at South Africa now, I do wonder how long until the violence erupts the other way.....

Ugh, I can't believe you've got me playing Devil's advocate for the Provos, but it wasn't a "Sky Fairy argument". Just because the Nationalists were primarily Catholic and the Unionists Prods doesn't mean the violence was actually about religion. It totally wasn't. It started out as a civil rights movement because Catholics were being barred from jobs, houses and a lot of other stuff by unionists bosses and politicians (the unemployment rate for catholics was three times higher than for prods despite similar skills and qualifications). In fact when the British Army arrived in Ulster its initial mission was to protect Catholics from Unionists, not to fight the IRA.

None of this is to condone the Provisional IRA or Martin McGuinness, but the whole "religious" angle is misleading.

 

[Gwadien]

We'll ignore Job and his clear racist agenda, and continue with the the adult conversation...

Arguably the guy stopped a terrorist organisation and claims some credit for the peace we have today...

Okay, another scenario - say the west magically comes up with an agreement with IS to have their own state but they follow the UN rules, ie they get their country which so many Muslims do agree with however they ditch the stuff most Muslims do not agree with.

Would the person who negotiates that on ISIS's side still be an evil bastard or a hero for negotiating peace and a globally acceptable solution?

Hypothetically...

 

[DaGaffer]

We'll ignore Job and his clear racist agenda, and continue with the the adult conversation...

Arguably the guy stopped a terrorist organisation and claims some credit for the peace we have today...

Okay, another scenario - say the west magically comes up with an agreement with IS to have their own state but they follow the UN rules, ie they get their country which so many Muslims do agree with however they ditch the stuff most Muslims do not agree with.

Would the person who negotiates that on ISIS's side still be an evil bastard or a hero for negotiating peace and a globally acceptable solution?

Hypothetically...

ISIS is a terrible example because they could only gain a "state" by nicking bits of other people's countries, so there isn't really an acceptable negotiating position with them, and no "magic" is going to fix that (If the Kurds can't have a state I can't see any scenario where ISIS could). I also think ISIS' political outlook would make compliance with the UN impossible anyway.

A better example might be what's going on with the peace deal in Colombia. A deal with FARC was put to a referendum and was rejected because of the immunity from prosecution it offered. So now they're negotiating another deal that probably won't have a referendum. Seems if you ask the people they're not that forgiving...

 

[Bodhi]

Ugh, I can't believe you've got me playing Devil's advocate for the Provos, but it wasn't a "Sky Fairy argument". Just because the Nationalists were primarily Catholic and the Unionists Prods doesn't mean the violence was actually about religion. It totally wasn't. It started out as a civil rights movement because Catholics were being barred from jobs, houses and a lot of other stuff by unionists bosses and politicians (the unemployment rate for catholics was three times higher than for prods despite similar skills and qualifications). In fact when the British Army arrived in Ulster its initial mission was to protect Catholics from Unionists, not to fight the IRA.

None of this is to condone the Provisional IRA or Martin McGuinness, but the whole "religious" angle is misleading.

Interesting - certainly when I was in Ballymena in the early 80's it was pretty much about religion, but by that point they were that far into the troubles I suspect a lot of people had forgotten what it was really about.

 

[DaGaffer]

Interesting - certainly when I was in Ballymena in the early 80's it was pretty much about religion, but by that point they were that far into the troubles I suspect a lot of people had forgotten what it was really about.

The problem with Northern Ireland is that religion is closely tied to ethnicity so Catholic=Irish=Nationalist, Protestant=British (Scottish/Planter)=Unionist. The religion becomes a convenient shorthand for explaining a more complex thing. After all, the fuckers all look the same (although I had a friend who worked at Shorts in Belfast in the 1980s who maintained he could tell Orange from Fenian from 100 yards away, man or woman), so the differentiator came down to what street you lived on (which didn't always work) or what church you went to (which usually did back then).