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[Tom]

Yawn. Another person who doesn't understand cyclists' needs or poor infrastructure.

 

[Scouse]

Yawn. Another person who doesn't understand cyclists' needs or poor infrastructure.

Actually, I think he's just trolling tbh. It's like we need another argument about this shit on here...

 

[Raven]

Just look at the map ffs. What more does a cyclist need? A safe, clean, well lit, 2 lane independent route? That happens to also be a much quicker route that the road system (which is mostly HGVs)

Please, enlighten us as to what more you need? Genuinely interested.

I think it is you who is (attempting) to troll

Besides, I am not arguing, I was merely demonstrating how we have one of the best cycle networks in the country, that is still not used.

 

[Tom]

Actually, I think he's just trolling tbh. It's like we need another argument about this shit on here...

It's almost as though people who don't cycle think cyclists aren't capable of deciding for themselves what's practical and safe and what isn't. And then they see a few cyclists on the road and complain that cyclists aren't using the "infrastructure" that motorists can't see from the road anyway.

 

[Raven]

Ive cycled it many times...

I will ask you again. What more do cyclists need other than a safe, clean, well lit, specially designed cycle route? Fluffers either end? Someone to tell them how well they are doing? What?

It is exactly what they have asked for and they are lucky that in this town that they have it.

The council also went to the trouble of installing bike stops along the route, along with those silly Boris bike style thingies where you don't even need to own a bike to use them, again you very rarely see people using them.

 

[Tom]

Anyone who thinks that this:

https://goo.gl/maps/AtBX1sN5XEJ2

...is part of a safe cycling network doesn't understand what they're talking about.

 

[Scouse]

I will ask you again. What more do cyclists need other than a safe, clean, well lit, specially designed cycle route?

You'd have to ask the cyclists in your area if it's not being used as you claim.

Edit: If that's part of what Raven's talking about Tom, then I'm 100% behind you. Raven's obviously too casual a cyclist to get why roadies would obviously choose to use the road there.


Edit edit: And we've been through exactly this before, I think Raven's up for an argument is all. So I'm opting out again.

 

[Raven]

Anyone who thinks that this:

https://goo.gl/maps/AtBX1sN5XEJ2

...is part of a safe cycling network doesn't understand what they're talking about.

Nice and clever use of the part that is the opposite side of the estate, leading off into the country side.

I raise you https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.213525,-0.8706934,403a,20y,12.75h,44.93t/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e3

The line down the middle is part of the designated cycle route

 

[old.user4556]

Good to see Freddyhouse's has it's own publication now with Gaff as their editor.

 

[Raven]

*You're

 

[Scouse]

Way to miss the point given the bazillion deliberate mistakes on that cover.


Or is it "duh, of course, I was being ironic"...

 

[old.user4556]

Way to miss the point given the bazillion deliberate mistakes on that cover.


Or is it "duh, of course, I was being ironic"...

Duuuuuuuuude.

 

[Scouse]

Duuuuuuuuude.

Actually G, I genuinely think Raven could make that sort of mistake

 

[Raven]

That is because you are a little on the slow side.

I get it, you're angry that you don't know what you are talking about, it's fine.

 

[gohan]

As much of a shit hole as stevenage is, it does have really good cycle routes (never see a bike a the duel carriage way) underpasses through the middle of all roundabouts linking it all up and the cycle paths are about 12 feet wide (with a 3 foot footpath along side) separated from main roads by grass verge and railing. they basically have their own network to go through town (and bypasses through parks etc)

 

[Tom]

Nice and clever use of the part that is the opposite side of the estate, leading off into the country side.

I raise you https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.213525,-0.8706934,403a,20y,12.75h,44.93t/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e3

The line down the middle is part of the designated cycle route

Great, except every single business bordering that line has no entrance or exit servicing it. So you still have to use the road.

Good job.

Oh and this is a dangerous crossing point too:

https://goo.gl/maps/FKtxmRVPiGH2

 

[Scouse]

Oh and this is a dangerous crossing point too:

https://goo.gl/maps/FKtxmRVPiGH2

And again the surface is *awful*.

 

[Raven]

Yeah, they should all put back doors into their yards. their insurers would love it.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah, they should all put back doors into their yards.

That, the lack of safety, the awful surfaces, that kinda explains why cyclists don't use it though eh?

Almost* exactly what I said in the very first post that you took issue with.


*Oh, not almost. Exactly what I said. Exactly.

 

[Raven]

No it isn't. You're just angry that you don't have a clue what you are talking about because you have never seen them, let alone used them. You have no point to make.

The google cars cannot get down them because they are cycle only (some have a separate pedestrian lane too)

 

[Scouse]

You can see them, you can look down them. The examples Tom showed showed awful sufaces, and by your own admission two posts up they don't actually go where the cyclists want them to take them.

That's kinda a basic prerequisite for a cycle lane - that it takes you where you need to go.

Design.

every single business bordering that line has no entrance or exit servicing it. So you still have to use the road.

As per what Tom said

 

[DaGaffer]

No it isn't. You're just angry that you don't have a clue what you are talking about because you have never seen them, let alone used them. You have no point to make.

The google cars cannot get down them because they are cycle only (some have a separate pedestrian lane too)

Pfft. No excuse.

 

[Moriath]

As much of a shit hole as stevenage is, it does have really good cycle routes (never see a bike a the duel carriage way) underpasses through the middle of all roundabouts linking it all up and the cycle paths are about 12 feet wide (with a 3 foot footpath along side) separated from main roads by grass verge and railing. they basically have their own network to go through town (and bypasses through parks etc)

Yup i used to use it to go to work back in the day. Would be no excuse for using the roads there. The whole town was designed around it

 

[Raven]

Yup, but what people seem to forget (or willfully ignore) is that many towns here in the UK are just not designed for mixed use roads. Often the only solution would be to knock down boundaries or even existing buildings. New parts (like where I work) do have a certain amount of planning involved and do accommodate cyclists as best as they can. They are huge sheds here, designed specifically for the movement and storage of goods and it would not be safe to have rear access let alone secure. Often people are not allowed into the yards full stop, if people think it would be safe to do so then it says a lot about how deluded and ignorant to danger they are.

 

[Scouse]

I disagree with a lot of your post, but cba getting into it.

What I will say, however, is that what you've said has no bearing on the cycle lane efficacy. @Tom's & mine assertion that they're not used because they're lacking holds fast.

Basically your argument has fallen back on 'don't cycle on the roads'...

 

[Exioce]

Free market economics.

Chabuduo! (Close enough...)

 

[Tom]

Yup, but what people seem to forget (or willfully ignore) is that many towns here in the UK are just not designed for mixed use roads. Often the only solution would be to knock down boundaries or even existing buildings. New parts (like where I work) do have a certain amount of planning involved and do accommodate cyclists as best as they can. They are huge sheds here, designed specifically for the movement and storage of goods and it would not be safe to have rear access let alone secure. Often people are not allowed into the yards full stop, if people think it would be safe to do so then it says a lot about how deluded and ignorant to danger they are.

Copied and pasted from someone in The Netherlands, whinging about the same easily solvable problems forty years ago.

 

[Raven]

Seeing as you know it all. How would you put a cycle route into small, closely grouped buildings?

(Ie, those not blown up and rebuilt in the war)

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Scouse]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You like to say that, but clearly your opinions about supposedly perfectly good cycle infrastructure have been shown to be tosh.

What makes you more qualified than someone like Tom, who's put in more miles than some olympians?

 

[Raven]

The fact that I have eyes and no specific agenda.

If you go to the Netherlands you will notice that much of the road network is built with cycling in mind and was built like that within the last 50-60 years. If you do the same here you will see much of the town and city roads have developed over hundreds of years.