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[Lamp]

Nuts.com are doing 25lb (11.3kg) of chocolate cashews for $187 (€164 / £133)

Thats about 50,000 calories

 

[Lamp]

Prob more actually

 

[TdC]

Nuts.com are doing 25lb (11.3kg) of chocolate cashews for $187 (€164 / £133)

Thats about 50,000 calories

I restarted my keto on Monday. Atm I have carb cravings so bad that I would eat that entire 25lb bag of choco-nutty caloric bliss in a single sitting

 

[Job]

There were no rules about which gate get's opened, the officers deal with the situation as it unfolds, there was a crush against the gate, the guy made a decision and it was the wrong one, I still say the fans were partly to blame, are they just rampaging cattle?
Are we saying if he opened a gate to a tiger pit they would just run in, all reason leaves a mob, they move like a shoal of fish.
He tried to cover his actions because of the enormity of his decision , who here wouldn't try that after being blamed for 96 deaths.
This was the 80's, most here no nothing of the culture back then, we are trying these people with a modern level of health and safety that did not apply then.
The wifes aunt was crushed to passing out in the same stadium a year before, but she went again!
Everyone said how dangerous it was, but did nothing about it, pass the responsibilty to the ill prepared police to herd the sheep.

 

[Gwadien]

Man escorted fromeasyJet flight because passenger 'didn't feel safe'

Bit confused about this, what got him kicked off, his luggage or the woman complaining?

(would they -really- complain and then go and check luggage? eh?)

 

[Scouse]

The wifes aunt was crushed to passing out in the same stadium a year before...
Everyone said how dangerous it was... ill prepared police....

These are the only words that are potentially factually correct in your misguided post.

Think about them for a second and then wonder to yourself if this could have been forseen or reported in the strongest terms a long time prior.

 

[Job]

We are told to be vigilant and report anything 'suspicious', which is a bit of a problem because most non muslim people are suspicious of Islam, when someone does report something they are classed as some crazy racist.

 

[Raven]

Man escorted fromeasyJet flight because passenger 'didn't feel safe'

Bit confused about this, what got him kicked off, his luggage or the woman complaining?

(would they -really- complain and then go and check luggage? eh?)

That is a very shifty looking beard.

 

[Job]

These are the only words that are potentially factually correct in your misguided post.

Think about them for a second and then wonder to yourself if this could have been forseen or reported in the strongest terms a long time prior.

Exactly no one reported it from the fans, they just accepted it like they were the pawns in some game, they were so involved in the whole experience of madness, violence, pushing, shoving , screaming, drinking, win and loss, the emotion ran so high that sensible thinking went out of the window.
My wifes ex husband loss two mates at Hillsborough, neither of them were the sharpest tools in the box.

 

[Scouse]

Exactly no one reported it from the fans

My brother in law, who'd driven there the year before so his mates could have a few drinks (read: few drinks -not get 'fucking wasted'- which is still a minority pursuit today, as it was then) reported it, as did all his mates.

When the cops turned up to interview him last year as part of the inquiry strangely enough his report had been 'lost'. Along with all the reports of his mates.

Funny that eh?

Almost as funny as the fact that he felt he was being pressured into saying both him (the driver) and his friends were drinking a lot at the time - getting fucking wasted - when they weren't. This is the *new* investigations, remember.

Of course, he didn't put up with that for long. He's partner in one of the largest and most succesful commercial law firms in Manchester and knows exactly how to deal with the average-IQ types that make up the cops. And is also well aware that, even today, their prime driver is protecting their own, rather than finding the truth.

Good thing that everyone the cops interviewed is a top-class lawyer eh? If that wasn't the case then it'd be a doddle to shift the blame onto the defenceless. Then you could sort it so every average-IQ Sun-reading retard would use their 'common sense' and, regardless of established facts, spout that same tired old manufactured bullshit story until they died.

Oh wait.

 

[Job]

That's the problem, the Police thought they could put all the blame on the fans with ease because of the reputation of Liverpool fans, which at the time was one behind Millwall, the truth has come out , but I still believe it is not entirely the organisers fault, it was so obviously dangerous that the fans should have shown some sense themselves, people were getting passed out unconscious at that stadium many times before, personally I wouldn't have gone in there for a gold clock.

 

[caLLous]

Heysel didn't do their reputation any good, a disaster which Liverpool fans are (unsurprisingly) not as vocal about.

 

[fettoken]

Imo, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Job all the time. Don't be a dick about it, try to see from every pow and be nice.

 

[Raven]

Its a little hard when it's the ravings of a mad man.

I am pretty sure he enjoys it though.

 

[fettoken]

Come on, at least he is more coherent than Thugs and that other guy that i forgot the name of. They were pure insanity.

 

[Raven]

Booo hooo, our medieval view of the world is becoming ever more irrelevant...let's back pedal.

Catholic Church: Pope Francis urges greater family understanding - BBC News

Top Tip, Pope...nobody in the civilised world actually cares what you think.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Shouldn't the Bible and preachers come with a "for entertainment purposes only" warning like clairvoyants do now?

 

[Raven]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VqbmeJ32U

 

[Scouse]

Heysel didn't do their reputation any good, a disaster which Liverpool fans are (unsurprisingly) not as vocal about.

That's another POS. Yep, both sets of fans were fighting (as was common at the time (still is in Italy)) - Liverpool fans were getting bottles of piss thrown over them and retaliated en-mass.

But then the wall collapsed, because the stadium was a dangerous wreck - and we'd tried to have the venue moved because of that but got told to piss off by UEFA.


HOWEVER. Why bring it up at all? It's got fuck all to do with the Hillsborough tragedy. Were you thinking 'oh, I've been needling the scousers about Hillsborough for ages but it doesn't seem fair now, so lets bring up Heysel, even though it's completely unrelated, just because I hate 'em'.

In which case: fuck you @caLLous.

 

[caLLous]

I haven't said a thing about Hillsborough (in this exchange), it was either mention Heysel or make a joke about "typical scousers, always banging on about history".

Anyway, Heysel happened a couple of years before Hillsborough and it had to have had an effect on how the Liverpool fans were viewed (rightly or wrongly) so maybe they were easier to blame (by The Sun et al) than if Heysel hadn't have happened.

And come on. Both sets of fans weren't fighting until your lot kicked it off. They weren't even explicitly Juventus fans in the section next door.

They were separated only by a thinly policed no-man's land and temporary chicken-wire fencing. Most of the non-Liverpool fans here were in fact neutrals or expatriate Italians and their children. As the kick-off drew nearer, Liverpool fans began to shower the 'Italian' fans with beer cans, stones, with whatever came to hand. When the 'Italians' responded in kind, the enraged Liverpool fans stormed the no mans' land and the fencing and found, to their surprise, they had free rein.

The fencing was broken down and turned into weapons. The terrified Belgian and Italian fans had no way out and, in desperate frustration, stampeded into a perimeter wall. As it collapsed, killing the 39 innocents and maiming 600 more, the world watched in horror as Liverpool fans turned their attentions to the riot police who were now belatedly entering the stadium. This was the scene that has entered football history as the 'JFK moment': when everybody who was watching remembers where they were and how they felt.

Anyway, you were talking about Hillsborough so carry on with that. It's just laughable to try and pretend that what happened at Heysel wasn't the fault of Liverpool fans (or at least was mostly the fault of or at least was started by Liverpool fans).

 

[Moriath]

There is a lot of rose tinted glasses coming from some people on the forum.

 

[Bodhi]

I haven't said a thing about Hillsborough (in this exchange), it was either mention Heysel or make a joke about "typical scousers, always banging on about history".

Anyway, Heysel happened a couple of years before Hillsborough and it had to have had an effect on how the Liverpool fans were viewed (rightly or wrongly) so maybe they were easier to blame (by The Sun et al) than if Heysel hadn't have happened.

And come on. Both sets of fans weren't fighting until your lot kicked it off. They weren't even explicitly Juventus fans in the section next door.

Anyway, you were talking about Hillsborough so carry on with that. It's just laughable to try and pretend that what happened at Heysel wasn't the fault of Liverpool fans (or at least was mostly the fault of or at least was started by Liverpool fans).

Almost as laughable as Liverpool's initial reaction, which was to blame Chelsea fans.

 

[TdC]

most non muslim people are suspicious of Islam

speak for yourself plx. tbh I'm more suspicious of you than I am of the people down the local mosque.

 

[Job]

You shouldn't be, I don't hide my intentions.

 

[TdC]

That doesn't really help your case tbh. fwiw, I've been to my local mosque. they're a bunch of lovely guys. the mood there was a lot like I experienced in Iceland when I was there just after the economy collapsed: they were somewhat worried people would hate them for no reason while they were doing their damned best to sort the shit out.

 

[DaGaffer]

That's another POS. Yep, both sets of fans were fighting (as was common at the time (still is in Italy)) - Liverpool fans were getting bottles of piss thrown over them and retaliated en-mass.

But then the wall collapsed, because the stadium was a dangerous wreck - and we'd tried to have the venue moved because of that but got told to piss off by UEFA.


HOWEVER. Why bring it up at all? It's got fuck all to do with the Hillsborough tragedy. Were you thinking 'oh, I've been needling the scousers about Hillsborough for ages but it doesn't seem fair now, so lets bring up Heysel, even though it's completely unrelated, just because I hate 'em'.

In which case: fuck you @caLLous.

As others have pointed out; Heysel provided the ammunition that made it easy for the press at the time to blame the fans for Hillsborough, and for most people to initially believe them. Like it or not, one thing Job is correct about is the default response to any football related incident in the UK was to immediately blame the fans, because 95% of the time it was true. It actually took Hillsborough and the Bradford fire to change that mentality.

As for who's fault Heysel was, blaming Juventus fans is a very interesting narrative that no neutral would agree with; blame is generally apportioned between Liverpool fans and the Heysel owners; they're certainly the ones who faced all the charges; no Juventus fan was even arrested.

 

[Job]

They believe in a higher power whos aims and goals are beyond the importance of men, I'll make friends when they admit it's all a crock of shit...this of course means I'm also wary of god fearing christians.

 

[Zarjazz]

Most hacks are annoying or hurt people, but occasionally they are damn funny - Nation-wide radio station hack

 

[Moriath]

They believe in a higher power whos aims and goals are beyond the importance of men, I'll make friends when they admit it's all a crock of shit...this of course means I'm also wary of god fearing christians.

Or any religion. Or druids and other such faiths.

If you follow that mantra u must never go outside without shitting yrself

 

[Scouse]

It actually took Hillsborough and the Bradford fire to change that mentality.

That mentality hasn't changed. As evidenced by Job, sadly

blaming Juventus fans is a very interesting narrative

I haven't blamed Juve. It was two sets of fans fighting, equally culpable and utterly common at the time. The state of the stadium meant that it turned out the way it did. Tragic.

Liverpool fans and the Heysel owners; they're certainly the ones who faced all the charges; no Juventus fan was even arrested.

True. And look at the continuing fighty state of Italian football.

(And I don't recall UEFA ever being held to account (despite them refusing to consider venue change on safety grounds)).

Thatcher personally pushed to use Heysel to collectively punish all UK football fans to bring about a sea change in mentality. And it worked - we're a lot less violent now.

But moral (if not legal) culpability for the fight lay with both sets of supporters. There's no doubt about that.