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[DaGaffer]

It's kind of fun to watch the roller coaster of life though.
Teenager - The world hates me!
Young adult at university - I can change the world!
30+ - I hate the world!
40+ (told to anyone not 30+) - In the good ol' days
55+ - When I was your age...
65+ - Who cares what they think, I'll be dead soon anyway

I've literally not fit any of those categories. So far.

 

[Lakih]

I've literally not fit any of those categories. So far.

It's ok, I made the list on the spot, there's no science behind it.

 

[Gwadien]

Which means nothing. A genuine Marxist state is impossible because humans don't (can't) fit the theory. So arguing Marxism hasn't been disproved is a tautology.

As for Cuba. It actually didn't start out as Marxist, (it was an agrarian reform movement), was forced into the Soviet sphere through lack of any other real option, wrapped itself in red stars and hammers and sickles, but it's never really followed through on the whole Marxist dialectic. If you actually talk to a Cuban, "the revolution" is a mantra of opposition to America, rather than a genuine class consciousness (one taxi driver I met was literally extolling the revolution in one sentence and hoping he could swap his piece of shit Lada for an Audi in the next) . It's effectively been about as Marxist as WWII Britain; (an authoritarian command economy with a "we're all in it together" propaganda rhetoric), and for broadly similar reasons.

As I said before, there's no true application of Marxism, Capitalism exists as a form because of Marx, so in that respect, it could be seen as equally as 'Marxist' as Communist Russia, since it's merely a step in what he thought society would go through; Feudalism -> Capitalism -> Socialism -> Communism.

That's why I say Cuba is a truer form of 'Marxism' but isn't obviously 'pure' - the reason why I say this is because it's a deeply socialist country but also has internal competitiveness, it has the highest amount of doctors per population or something - which is quite impressive, considering they're meant to have no ambition. I'm purely defending the theory here, but as for your taxi driver example; Marx did say that this progressive revolution needs to be global, otherwise it wouldn't work, Capitalism will seep back into socialism and make it stagnate, hence why Mr Pedro Lopez wanted an Audi.

It's also easy to forget that things that were relevant, and perhaps are still relevant are being talked about because of Marx, as I said before, the notion of Capitalism, and the class structure - Marxist thinking, and to say that those theories have no place in everyday life is ridiculous - Whether you accept it or not, you've always complained of some kind of woe of capitalism, whether it's employment, banks etc etc.

@Yoni I have no idea why you posted that, if you actually read my posts, I did quite clearly say before that I am not a Marxist, I just sympathise with some of their thinking, which opened a debate about 'new' thinking (Which includes Feminism.) I'd love to know why of late you've decide to be so weird about me recently.

 

[DaGaffer]

, Capitalism exists as a form because of Marx,

What??? Adam Smith would beg to differ.

And as I said, Cuba isn't a deeply socialist country. It really isn't. Its a command economy and autocracy. It has the most doctors because Fidel decided it would.

 

[Gwadien]

What??? Adam Smith would beg to differ.

And as I said, Cuba isn't a deeply socialist country. It really isn't. Its a command economy and autocracy. It has the most doctors because Fidel decided it would.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marx coin the term Capitalism?

 

[Gwadien]

What??? Adam Smith would beg to differ.

And as I said, Cuba isn't a deeply socialist country. It really isn't. Its a command economy and autocracy. It has the most doctors because Fidel decided it would.

Google says

Despite what most people think, Karl Marx, the most infamous socialist, neither coined the term nor popularized it. The term "capitalism" was coined by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, A French individualist socialist(more commonly referred to today as an anarchist)

We're both wrong.

 

[Raven]

People who say Adam Smith invented capitalism are amusing. He just described it (even though it wasn't even called capitalism at the time) amongst tons of other things.

 

[Gwadien]

People who say Adam Smith invented capitalism are amusing. He just described it (even though it wasn't even called capitalism at the time) amongst tons of other things.

Speaking of which, how is your course going? It's your 2nd year now innit?

 

[Raven]

Its OK, just started the 2nd year this week.

Smashed the last year with about 12 hours a week work, it was boring as fuck, art and rubbish like that. Not too keen on this year as it seems more of the same. Next year I can specialise so worth it in the end I guess.

 

[DaGaffer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marx coin the term Capitalism?

The term is irrelevant, The Wealth of Nations described what capitalism is, long before Marx.

 

[Job]

It get's worse, she had named the dog ripley....I mean really Ripley is dead...it's like an omen for Aliens .

 

[DaGaffer]

People who say Adam Smith invented capitalism are amusing. He just described it (even though it wasn't even called capitalism at the time) amongst tons of other things.

I never said Adam Smith invented anything; I was responding to the idea that idea of Capitalism was framed by Marxism; it clearly wasn't; and Adam Smith is most obvious example of that (and not the only one), and The Wealth of Nations is considered the first real expression of classical economics.

 

[Raven]

I never said you did...

 

[Scouse]

Marxists are well respected? Lol. Think you've probably been hanging round the Student Union too much there m8, as most of the idea have been rejected by most of the world (outside Islington North) as batshit crazy and not entirely workable.

Just like capitalism.




Time for a change?

 

[Raven]

The exchange of goods or services for goods or services, or money (basically) works.

Sure people without goods or services don't get anywhere but where in the animal world (down to the smallest microbe) does anything or anyone with nothing to offer get anything in return?

Capitalism is the ultimate natural economic system.

Elitism and protectionism have nothing at all to do with capitalism and if anything exist more and are more extreme in non-capitalist societies.

 

[Gwadien]

The exchange of goods or services for goods or services, or money (basically) works.

Sure people without goods or services don't get anywhere but where in the animal world (down to the smallest microbe) does anything or anyone with nothing to offer get anything in return?

Capitalism is the ultimate natural economic system.

Elitism and protectionism have nothing at all to do with capitalism and if anything exist more and are more extreme in non-capitalist societies.

I dunno, Eve wasn't a prostitute

 

[Job]

When everything is made automatically, what will be of value in the future.
Mistakes?

 

[Raven]

Some kind of bartering system based on some sort of token, probably accounted for in a decimal system.

 

[CorNokZ]

I've literally not fit any of those categories. So far.

Me neither, but I've recently started doing the whole "when I was your age" thing, and I am only 27 and a half :/

 

[Bodhi]

Just like capitalism.




Time for a change?

Would that be the capitalism that's lifted billions of people out of poverty and been responsible for most of the technological advances we take for granted, that capitalism?

I mean apart from lifting people out of poverty, and the advances in technology, pharmaceuticals, the medical practice, personal transport, research, engineering and finance, what has capitalism ever done for us?

 

[Moriath]

It's closer to 'Properly Marxist' than any other nation on this rock tbh.

Which isnt close so shhh

 

[Moriath]

Google says

Despite what most people think, Karl Marx, the most infamous socialist, neither coined the term nor popularized it. The term "capitalism" was coined by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, A French individualist socialist(more commonly referred to today as an anarchist)

We're both wrong.

Google. Giggle

 

[Moriath]

@Gwadien is rick mayall

 

[Job]

So capitalism is a French word.
Maybe we should be saying capataleeesum

 

[Raven]

Why? When the French call it capitalisme

 

[Yoni]

@Yoni I have no idea why you posted that, if you actually read my posts, I did quite clearly say before that I am not a Marxist, I just sympathise with some of their thinking, which opened a debate about 'new' thinking (Which includes Feminism.) I'd love to know why of late you've decide to be so weird about me recently.

I find your posts dreary and without personal view.... This forum is full of people who have now lived long enough to form opinion of the world (rightly or wrongly) without splurging sociological theories. You kind if remind me of my old sociology lecturer whose prime objective wasn't to help us understand the theorists to formulate reasoned debate to answer an exam but rather use his knowledge to turn us all into a bunch of commies, by continually shoving theories down our throats to support his cause.

 

[Job]

Entertaining for 5mins, actually awesome, but we are used to it.

http://randomstreetview.com/

 

[Ormorof]

I find your posts dreary and without personal view.... This forum is full of people who have now lived long enough to form opinion of the world (rightly or wrongly) without splurging sociological theories. You kind if remind me of my old sociology lecturer whose prime objective wasn't to help us understand the theorists to formulate reasoned debate to answer an exam but rather use his knowledge to turn us all into a bunch of commies, by continually shoving theories down our throats to support his cause.

you could always you know, not read anything he posts?

 

[Yoni]

you could always you know, not read anything he posts?

This is true but I don't put people on the forums on ignore

 

[Gwadien]

I find your posts dreary and without personal view.... This forum is full of people who have now lived long enough to form opinion of the world (rightly or wrongly) without splurging sociological theories. You kind if remind me of my old sociology lecturer whose prime objective wasn't to help us understand the theorists to formulate reasoned debate to answer an exam but rather use his knowledge to turn us all into a bunch of commies, by continually shoving theories down our throats to support his cause.

Nah, it's a great deal more personal than that.

If you actually go through what I've posted on this forum, alot of the time, I criticise @Scouse who is a great deal more socialist then I am, and I never see you criticise his points of view.

This just shows that you have no idea about my political views, this probably explains why you only post to slag me off, as opposed to actually debate things.

I wish you would put me on ignore, there are people that call me a lot worse here than you do, but they actually contribute to an argument.