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[tierk]

If I recall correctly, the previous PO debates we've had haven’t ended well for you.

Your recall is as flawed as or shitty arguments.

Just because people stop responding to your stupid mindless, inane jabbering doesn’t mean you have made a valid point. All it means is that the people arguing with you finally realise after 20 attempts to get a sensible answer from you that there is more chance of changing shit into gold, Impossible.

 

[Bugz]

Owning a home is pretty darn rich from my pov.

And Bugz, without answering anything, yes.

Care to explain how then?

I'm most intrigued.

 

[Cadelin]

In fact it's completely the opposite.

Small increases in price stop only a small amount of people using fuel.


Oil price is determined by a) OPEC, b) supply and demand, c) governments (if it used as petrol)

Its not completely the opposite. We might disagree on what exactly constitutes a small increase in price and a large drop in demand but we are both agreeing that price rise means a drop in demand.

Currently the rapidly developing countries such as China and India are very sensitive to price changes. So much so that the governments fix prices and in some places rations fuel. A small increase in the cost of oil cost those governments alot of money and will force them to act to curb usage. Both countries have announced above inflation rises in fuel costs.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Care to explain how then?

I'm most intrigued.

As soon as you explain your "no". See where i'm going with this?

 

[Cadelin]

Just because people stop responding to your stupid mindless, inane jabbering doesn’t mean you have made a valid point. All it means is that the people arguing with you finally realise after 20 attempts to get a sensible answer from you that there is more chance of changing shit into gold, Impossible.

Type in Gorbachioo and hit Ok

 

[Gorbachioo]

Type in Gorbachioo and hit Ok

ahaha


Better luck next time. :kissit:

 

[CorNokZ]

Not to mention(on the above) nuclear cars(working) were invented in the 50 already.

Push comes to shove, we're going nuclear, as we should damnit.

Oil is primitive and it's about time this planet started acting its age.

qft!

Screw this oil shit! Nuclear power is much more effective and it's hardly any pollution at all! And at this day and age, where everyone is talking about "oh we should save the trees, enviroment, oil..." etc, I can't see why we are not using nuclear power to it's fullest?

Yeah, if has a meltdown it's a major disaster, but how many times has that happened?

Meltdowns that have occurred

A number of Russian nuclear submarines have experienced nuclear meltdowns. The only known large scale nuclear meltdowns at civilian nuclear power plants were in the Chernobyl disaster at Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, Ukraine, in 1986, and the Three Mile Island accident at Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania, USA, in 1979, although there have been partial core meltdowns at:

* NRX, Ontario, Canada, in 1952
* EBR-I, Idaho, USA, in 1955
* Windscale, Sellafield, England, in 1957 (see Windscale fire)
* Santa Susana Field Laboratory, Simi Hills, California, in 1959
* SL-1, Idaho, USA in 1961. (US military)
* Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station, Michigan, USA, in 1966
* Chapelcross, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland, in 1967
* A1 plant at Jaslovské Bohunice, Czechoslovakia in 1977. 25% of the fuel elements in a heavy water moderated carbon dioxide cooled 100 MW(e) power reactor were damaged due to operator error. The operators failed to remove silica gel packs from a new fuel element. The silica gel was used to keep the unused fuel dry during storage and transport. The silica gel packs blocked the flow of the coolant resulting in overheating of the fuel and the pressure channel holding it. As a result of overheating the heavy water leaked into the part of the reactor where the fuel elements are accomodated, the cladding was subject to corrosion and a considerable amount of radioactivity leaked into the primary cooling circuit. Through leaks in the steam boilers (similar basic design to a MAGNOX or AGR plant) some parts of the secondary circuit became contaminated.[5]

Not all of these were caused by a loss of coolant and in several cases (the Chernobyl disaster and the Windscale fire, for example) the meltdown was not the most severe problem.

Chernobyl as the last one in 1986.. That's 22 years ago! Since then there has not been a single accident! The research that has been made in the field has improved the nuclear powerplants so much that there is hardly any risk of a meltdown or any other form of accident

Bring on nuclear power and save the oil and trees for what ever...

 

[Gorbachioo]

qft!

Screw this oil shit! Nuclear power is much more effective and it's hardly any pollution at all! And at this day and age, where everyone is talking about "oh we should save the trees, enviroment, oil..." etc, I can't see why we are not using nuclear power to it's fullest?

Yeah, if has a meltdown it's a major disaster, but how many times has that happened?

Chernobyl as the last one in 1986.. That's 22 years ago! Since then there has not been a single accident! The research that has been made in the field has improved the nuclear powerplants so much that there is hardly any risk of a meltdown or any other form of accident

Bring on nuclear power and save the oil and trees for what ever...

A nuclear plant produces as much greenhouse gasses as a natural gas plant of the same size. So it does pollute, but significantly less than coal ofcourse.

Anyway, this thread is about the quick fixes. It takes decades to make any significant amount of nuclear power and even the smallest nuclear reactors take like 4 years to get working.

Im all for building alternative energy sources. Nuclear, wind, whatever. I just dont think that there is ANY solution to the crisis we're facing now. Maybe we'll fix this some day but there just isnt solution that will help us now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

A nuclear plant produces as much greenhouse gasses as a natural gas plant of the same size. So it does pollute, but significantly less than coal ofcourse.

Anyway, this thread is about the quick fixes. It takes decades to make any significant amount of nuclear power and even the smallest nuclear reactors take like 4 years to get working.

Im all for building alternative energy sources. Nuclear, wind, whatever. I just dont think that there is ANY solution to the crisis we're facing now. Maybe we'll fix this some day but there just isnt solution that will help us now.

And you know what the government has, is planning and/or has in production how exactly?

They could very well have some new energy production device days from completion in the US, but keep it a secret for obvious reasons.

Doomsaying is stupid for that exact reason, you don't know. And you, personally, owrk in absolutes and not in possibilities.

You never say "it might", but act as an annoying nostradamus.

 

[Gorbachioo]

And you know what the government has, is planning and/or has in production how exactly?

They could very well have some new energy production device days from completion in the US, but keep it a secret for obvious reasons.

Doomsaying is stupid for that exact reason, you don't know. And you, personally, owrk in absolutes and not in possibilities.

You never say "it might", but act as an annoying nostradamus.

What are these obvious reasons?

Doomsaying in this case is the right way to react to this. The only thing you got is "the goverment has a secret energy production device that will save us!". Back in the real world, things are falling apart fast and there is NO cure to our problem. There is NO energy source that can be brought online this fast. We're going down. That i know for sure. Will we come back up? That i dont know.


There are other very worrying things about our world right now but since i can only speculate on those i wont go in to them. Such as the political issues (new cold war, S and N Korea, Israel and Iran, Pakistans upcoming collapse etc) and the increase of methane in the atmosphere which could be a sign of runaway global warming. Not to mention the simple fact that even if we do survive peak oil then we have to solve peak everything. We're running out of natural resources.

 

[Bugz]

As soon as you explain your "no". See where i'm going with this?

The propensity to save vs. the propensity to consume for rich and the poor.

You are out of your depth and you are wrong too.

 

[aika]

yes please use more nuclear energy, I dont know what I wanna play more irl - Stalker or Fallout

 

[old.Tohtori]

What are these obvious reasons?

Doomsaying in this case is the right way to react to this. The only thing you got is "the goverment has a secret energy production device that will save us!". Back in the real world, things are falling apart fast and there is NO cure to our problem. There is NO energy source that can be brought online this fast. We're going down. That i know for sure. Will we come back up? That i dont know.

Oil isn't "done" yet, governments can put up stuff faster if they want, the government MIGHT(learn the word) have other plans. You don't know them.

It wasn't also the "only hingz i gotz", just an example. Another thing you might want to learn.

When sh*t hits the fan, you can come screaming that the sky is falling, otherwise, it's pointless scaremongering.

The propensity to save vs. the propensity to consume for rich and the poor.

You are out of your depth and you are wrong too.

In what exactly? That those who have little, are effected less. It's common logic.

The rich are effected more, from a neutral calculated point of view.

 

[fettoken]

Not to mention(on the above) nuclear cars(working) were invented in the 50 already.

Working maybe, but not as intended (see, there is a huge difference here), or we would see more of them now.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Almost Joor material

Nah. Joor didn't get agressive if you disagreed...

 

[adoNix]

Theese cookies are awsome!

 

[Gorbachioo]

Oil isn't "done" yet, governments can put up stuff faster if they want, the government MIGHT(learn the word) have other plans. You don't know them.

It wasn't also the "only hingz i gotz", just an example. Another thing you might want to learn.

When sh*t hits the fan, you can come screaming that the sky is falling, otherwise, it's pointless scaremongering.



In what exactly? That those who have little, are effected less. It's common logic.

The rich are effected more, from a neutral calculated point of view.

So warning people ahead of a crisis is pointless scare mongering and the only time your supposed to do that when it has already happened. Okay then.

I dont think i even need to comment on that rich/poor thing. You know as well as i do that that was a dumb comment.


The people on this forum never stop amazing me. You cant come up with a single good argument but yet you have the nerve to ridicule me for talking about this. You're ignorant and dumb. Completely unable to understand the world around you. Sadly, this is what the average person is like, and thats why we're in this mess. Those of us educate ourselves have to suffer because of the ignorance of everyone else.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And the above post is exactly why i don't even bother discussing things "proper" with you.

You think you're better, smarter, always right and nothing can harm you. And if you ARE wrong, you won't admit it by a longshot.

The poor/rich isn't a dumb comment, it's a fact. When you don't have savings, a house, a car, etc etc...riches...this will not effect your quality of life.

Warning people would be ok, but waving your arms around screamig "we're doomed we're doomed!!!"(as you DID), is chicken little scaremongering, especailly since you NEVER offer any advice.

Even IF you were right, what could i do to stop this? How would YOU suffer from MY actions? Hmm? Mr "I'm educated but stupid people are hurting me".

 

[Gorbachioo]

And the above post is exactly why i don't even bother discussing things "proper" with you.

You think you're better, smarter, always right and nothing can harm you. And if you ARE wrong, you won't admit it by a longshot.

The poor/rich isn't a dumb comment, it's a fact. When you don't have savings, a house, a car, etc etc...riches...this will not effect your quality of life.

Warning people would be ok, but waving your arms around screamig "we're doomed we're doomed!!!"(as you DID), is chicken little scaremongering, especailly since you NEVER offer any advice.

Even IF you were right, what could i do to stop this? How would YOU suffer from MY actions? Hmm? Mr "I'm educated but stupid people are hurting me".

"You think you're better, smarter, always right and nothing can harm you. And if you ARE wrong, you won't admit it by a longshot.

The poor/rich isn't a dumb comment, it's a fact. When you don't have savings, a house, a car, etc etc...riches...this will not effect your quality of life."

haha

(i guess i need to answer it now: Loosing your savings is one thing. Loosing your house and having to eat from a trash can is another. Hopefully you understand my point)

Theres not much advice i can give you since you wont be doing anything radical. But heres one: Take your money from the bank. Thats what i did.

I suffer from your (as in yours and everyone elses) ignorance because when people dont know what they need they usually dont get it. Nothing changes if people dont want it first (and then later on vote for it). And because nothing has changed i have to go trough this crisis even though i could have changed it had it been up to me.

 

[adoNix]

Take your money from the bank. Thats what i did.

Can i get your adress please? im in need of some quick cash!

 

[Mey]

Taking your money from the bank does nothing bar make things worse, if the banks crash there is a good chance that the money at that point will be worthless anyway.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about, and scare mongering doesn't help, remeber the fuel shortages? Well that was caused by scare mongering.

 

[Mey]

Also we need to pump more money in to nuclear power, it's the cleaniest and most renewable energy resource we have that can provide a significant power output.

E.g. if we were to remove all the nuclear power plants in the UK and replace them with wind farms, we'd need an area the size of wales to get the same level of energy (and thats dependant on how much wind there is.) Imagine the size of land we'd need to convert everything into wind.. It's just not viable.

 

[old.Tohtori]

haha

(i guess i need to answer it now: Loosing your savings is one thing. Loosing your house and having to eat from a trash can is another. Hopefully you understand my point)

Theres not much advice i can give you since you wont be doing anything radical. But heres one: Take your money from the bank. Thats what i did.

I suffer from your (as in yours and everyone elses) ignorance because when people dont know what they need they usually dont get it. Nothing changes if people dont want it first (and then later on vote for it). And because nothing has changed i have to go trough this crisis even though i could have changed it had it been up to me.

First, learn to use the quote button mr "intelligent".

Then, if you have a house, you're not poor. Get it?

And then, you won't be eating out of the trash, EVER. Not before a holocaust of some sort. Get it?

Your advice is pure shite, as mentioned above this post, and if you're POOR, you don't have any money in the bank. Get it? How much did you take out? 100, 1000, 10000? Means, you're not poor. You're not living hand to mouth. Means you know shit all about how they live.

And again, on your last "lgreat suffer", you don't know what i've done, how i think about economics, what i've done even to improve our lives, you know infact shit all. And once again, you fail to answer ANYTHING.

So i'll ask again, how have i caused you suffering and what have you done to stop this?

Again, what have YOU done to STOP this?

And if you say nothing like usual, then you're as "ignorant of it" as everyone else.

"If i was there i would've stopped that robber", basic cocktalk. So, in conclusion, f*ck off.

 

[Mey]

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that having a house makes you Rich.

People in the Amazon jungle have houses and I wouldn't class them as rich.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not rich, but not poor.

If you keep yourself fed and in an apartment with your cash, you're in the poor. If you manage to save, your average.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Taking your money from the bank does nothing bar make things worse, if the banks crash there is a good chance that the money at that point will be worthless anyway.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about, and scare mongering doesn't help, remeber the fuel shortages? Well that was caused by scare mongering.

That was a personal advice. If i had the chance to talk about this on TV i would not tell people to take their money out of the bank. What i say here wont change anything on that front.

Panic makes things bad, ignorance makes them a hell of a lot worse.

And as i said already, invest in nuclear power,but it wont help us now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That was a personal advice. If i had the chance to talk about this on TV i would not tell people to take their money out of the bank. What i say here wont change anything on that front.

Panic makes things bad, ignorance makes them a hell of a lot worse.

And as i said already, invest in nuclear power,but it wont help us now.

I actually laughed out loud at that;

You give advice that you wouldn't publically give to people? So you're willingly giving crap advice, OR, you're covering both bases incase like a good politician.

And that's what you are Gorb, a bullshitting, lying, no good politician who's worth his own weight in shit on a good day.

This "ignorance is hurtful" is a load of bollocks anyway.

 

[Gorbachioo]

First, learn to use the quote button mr "intelligent".

Then, if you have a house, you're not poor. Get it?

And then, you won't be eating out of the trash, EVER. Not before a holocaust of some sort. Get it?

Your advice is pure shite, as mentioned above this post, and if you're POOR, you don't have any money in the bank. Get it? How much did you take out? 100, 1000, 10000? Means, you're not poor. You're not living hand to mouth. Means you know shit all about how they live.

And again, on your last "lgreat suffer", you don't know what i've done, how i think about economics, what i've done even to improve our lives, you know infact shit all. And once again, you fail to answer ANYTHING.

So i'll ask again, how have i caused you suffering and what have you done to stop this?

Again, what have YOU done to STOP this?

And if you say nothing like usual, then you're as "ignorant of it" as everyone else.

"If i was there i would've stopped that robber", basic cocktalk. So, in conclusion, f*ck off.

The advice i gave was just a little hint. The first one i could come up with. I said it because i knew you'd keep talking about it until i did.

The only thing i can do to stop it is vote and raise awareness. Ive done both.


And uuh...... i dont think theres anything other worth answering in your post.

 

[Gorbachioo]

I actually laughed out loud at that;

You give advice that you wouldn't publically give to people? So you're willingly giving crap advice, OR, you're covering both bases incase like a good politician.

And that's what you are Gorb, a bullshitting, lying, no good politician who's worth his own weight in shit on a good day.

This "ignorance is hurtful" is a load of bollocks anyway.

You laughed because you're dumb. Anyone with a brain would understand the point: Giving such advise to a large number off people would cause a crisis on its own because people would empty the banks. Giving a few people that advice wont change anything in the big picture but it just might save their savings.

Ignorance is what gave the nazis their power. Ignorance is why americans are in Iraq right now. If people know whats happening they go for the right solutions instead of the wrong ones.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You laughed because you're dumb. Anyone with a brain would understand the point: Giving such advise to a large number off people would cause a crisis on its own because people would empty the banks. Giving a few people that advice wont change anything in the big picture but it just might save their savings.

Ignorance is what gave the nazis their power. Ignorance is why americans are in Iraq right now. If people know whats happening they go for the right solutions instead of the wrong ones.

No, politics brought the nazis in power. Politics got US into iraq.

You really think bush/hitler asked the nation "Well, you want or not?"

No, 'cause the F*cking fact you're IGNORING(irony there) liek anything people tell you is this;

You can affect f*ck all.

And by the way, i laughed at you, not at the concept.

I just hope someone/thing drops you down a peck or two.