This Game is a commerical pile of WANK

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feathersham

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After playing for nearly 2 yrs on and off and finally hitting level 50 I now realise what a total waste of those 2years have been in gaming time.

Once you hit the magic 50 this is when supposedly you can enjoy the so called 'end game' which is RVR. Now i went through the torture of leveling to get this and for what? To realise my class is shit, I can never find groups, people lack the social skills to even try to cooperate to make rvr slightly structured so we can do something in this so called 'group orientated battlefield of misfits' Lets face it RVR is total bollocks for the average normal human who doesnt spend countless hours wanking over the number of RP they and their mates have got.

The only people who truley can enjoy RVR are the people who have the resources and time to level 2 characters one a buffbot and their main. Even with a buffbot you are totally unable to enjoy RVR unless you are part of some sad little group of people who dedicate their lives to these types of games. As you all know such groups as the midget mafia, Nolby pride and Eclipse. Against such people that spend their entire time on the game you have no chance, for the average joe in the street who buys this game and does reach 50 - the sad reality is RVR is a non starter in so many ways. You will spend a ridiculous amount of time looking for groups or getting into a pick up group at some apk where everyone doesnt bother to discuss anything except lo lets go, then everyone dies cos the 'Uber groups' of no life look at me im Uber,come along kick your arse cos their occupation is never to leave their bedrooms but sit on daoc all day and chat over irc and voice com and run up to people and spam pbaoe or whatever.

The game is totally screwed by its inability to allow for the average player to enjoy RVR. The game is totally dominated by these few groups of internet nerd gamers that power level their 5th bot before us average suckers have got 45. The game leveling up to 50 is fantastic but RVR is the biggest let down.

Unfortunately the above is a fact, ive read these forums with amusement and when anyone states facts all the people who have a problem with the post tend to struggle with common english, as im sure and i wait with anticipation of someones got Pwned or n00be or some other shit these internet geeks use to explain away someone who doesnt dedicate their existence to a computer game.

In closing RVR now is a total waste of time due the lack of co-operation between people in general. Everyone complains that no one ever bothers to defend the keeps etc... this is just one example of how this game is totally flawed in concept, to make RVR work you have to work off the group dynamics. By giving players the ability to run 2 accounts of one machine = buffbots, = buffbots = more people who will solo as stealthers = less people to have in groups for main battle rvr. Having no group dynamic for the average player = zerg lots of lost little people with no general idea of what to do but follow the pack. The only people who win in RVR are A) The organised people, B) the people with all the best gear obviosuly, C) The people who dedicate their dole money and time to the game. The RVR zerg happens because of the way the game is flawed, people have no incentive really to group unless they are part of the internet nerd 24/7 elite band of players who are wanking constantly after each rp. People group only because they have chance to gain further rp off a kill someone else in the group obtains. The average player does not join a group to play as part of the group to make RVR more viable for all classes, ie to work as a group. The only successful people remember are those who are part of this interent geek clique that spend hours perfecting how a group works best. So therefore every other sap is just another sad wanker who will die cos they havent spent the time to learn the group dynamics the internet geek elite player types have.

So in closing again... This fucking game sucks shit, unless of course you are on the dole and no another 7 dole scammers with the game, then good luck to u for having all that free time - fair play to u lol

And for those who are about to flame me, insult me whatever, I dont really give a fuck, this is after all Barryswhine and im fucked off with leveling to 50 and finding what a totally and utterly pointless excercise RVR is for the average player.

For those who are about to flame me i salute you !
or you can kiss my arse whatever..

Featherspam the wizard of spam and bitterness of the greater circle of magical spam and fucked offedness.
 
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Sharma

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mmm, wow nice flame, this pretty much sums up most of the flames on VN
 
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bigchief

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shame its totally true though :(

They finally realise (mythic) that the end game is shat for the average player and say 'we will be releasing a rvr addon thingy whatever' .. then say sometime in 2004 while they release housing now. Well excuse me if I think the rvr addon is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more important than some shoddy housing
 
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Sagba

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RvR isn't just pwning and RP-farming. As long as you play with people you want to play with (guildies) it doesn't matter have you made 100k RPs or 0 RP in hours of RvRing. I for one dont give a shit about RPs or getting killed by some RvR-guild time after time.

I'm a weird drunkard tho :p
 
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chimaira

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Sad but true. as metallica said sometime back in the 80s :(

Thing is there is ways to go around this.

U can always go to the quiet spots.

there are actually a bit more mature ppl that for example go rvr late nights find a solo enemies. do a emote to them and have a nice duel.

What buggers me the most is that u are so right.

Its fun being lvl 50 for 5 minutes.
world up side down.

but then u notice u spend more time PvE than RvR cuz it sucks.

All I do on Alb nowadays is going to AC to kill some mobs and feel the nice swing on Diamond slash.

else its 95% of the time in gothwaite harbour duelling.

PvE=more or less well built.
RvR=for teh geeks.

Daoc seems more and more like Diablo2 cowruns :(

/Salute and signing off for the night
 
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old.Atrox

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I agree Sagba, as long as I have a good time with the folk Im with the rp/hour couldnt mean less.
Most of the time I only loged on just to chat, spend 4hours at some silly keep for 10min action.

oh and I assume I fit into the "Geek Crew"

anyway, I wouldnt flame those who choose to go "hardcore" to do well in RvR, neither would I flame those who choose PvE as main endgame.

just face it some ppl play champions legue and some ppl on the local lawn. You can't expect to play along in CL unless you put some effort into it.
 
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Melachi-

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i have to admit, i agree :(

i considred rolling a stealther a while ago so i could solo in RvR, but then i relaised i wouldnt have a buffbot, so i would stand no chance anyway ;/
 
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Addlcove

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Originally posted by feathersham
whine/moan I couldn´t be bothered reading so just skimmed through

you pay to play mate, if you dont want to play, stop paying.

and how can the almost 2 years? (more like 1½ of retail on eu really) have been a waste? you must have had some good times durnig your level up.

I hardly ever do casual RvR, but I still enjoy playing my cleric when with guildies in RvR, add to that all the fun thing I´ve experienced levelling her, and I would hardly call it a waste.

By the way, my cleric dinged 50 about 1 month ago, after playing for her for over a year, and I am on the dole, don´t generalise people mate, it´s unbecomming
 
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bigchief

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Originally posted by old.Atrox
just face it some ppl play champions legue and some ppl on the local lawn. You can't expect to play along in CL unless you put some effort into it.

They dont find themselves *playing* each other every 20mins though do they. The fact is the casual players have no place to go where the top groups cant/dont. You find them in odins, in emain .. wont find many casual albs in hadrians as its such a mission, and these days you usually get run over by 5fg mids. Sure if youre a viable solo spec its ok, but if you need a group to function well in rvr and are having to make do with random groups chances are you will either end up zerging or logging in frustration at being insta'd + pb'd over and over and over and ...
 
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Derric

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Of course it's possible to be a casual player and still enjoy RvR.
If a dumbass like me can manage that I'm sure most people can.
If you have a guild then just start to form guildgroups at a certain time you and your friends agree of some times per week and I'm sure you'd start enjoy RvR more.
And hey,don't be so quick to judge people..you said it yourself you just wasted 2 years of your life on this game..and then you call people "nolife geeks",doesn't make any sense. :p
 
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bigchief

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Originally posted by Derric
If you have a guild then just start to form guildgroups at a certain time you and your friends agree of some times per week and I'm sure you'd start enjoy RvR more.


And for the people that just 'o theres nothing on tv and im too tired to go out, ill play a game for an hr' ... ie the casual players, not the consistent but not totally dedicated players?
 
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Coren

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Originally posted by feathersham
I cry like a little baby and have to blame my own inability to play this game on people who actually enjoy it. :(

There, there... One day you'll probably grow out of your inferiority complex, don't worry. :eek:

Originally posted by chimaira
PvE=more or less well built
RvR=for teh geeks, since they can't seem to understand that whacking some computer controlled pixels is way more macho than RvRing
 
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Esoteric

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Originally posted by Nightchill
It's all about finding the right guild.

This or finding the right preset group.

The way to play the rvr game well is fairly simple in method but most people are too bone idle to bother or the organiser has alot of dropouts. Getting a group at your portal keep with random people is not the way to go about it people log after 1 death or have to go cause suddenly a tv progs on.

What you need to do is get together with either friends from the pve scenario or pm people you know might be dedicated and form a preset group. This way you learn how to play well together and are able to "click" with each others play style.

The rvr patch is needed very much so and mythic/goa putting back the patch has made alot of people quit and wait. However, rvr isn't flawed much and can be rectified easily by following the simple guide above. Think about it this way, you don't start pve unless you have the right classes in some shape or form ie 1/2 clerics, the right tanks and other support classes, with either mezzing or pbaoe depends on your play style. Also with pve you form your group or at least start one with maybe a few folk off of your "friends" list who you know plays well. Why throw these concepts out of the window when you hit 50??!!

I remember only a couple of people who did this and in the end we formed a rvr group everynight. Pbuck was the gl and he sat down for maybe 30mins plus making sure he had the right people and the right classes before moving off. Usually we enjoyed everynight for maybe 3hours or more and from this learnt our own play style. Since playing planetside I have had many /tells from middies/hibbies who I have stumbled across saying bloody hell you were an "evul sorc". All this was a result from a little time spent sorting out tactics and or the right people, zerging from the apk etc inviting everyone at random no matter what the class type does Im afraid starts the casting of the most powerful spell of the whole of the game its called "disaster".

The people who you think are "uber" simply apply this tactic and maybe form a guild of the people they group with and rvr well together. They also have fun cause they are with "friends".

Thats my piece anyway see you soon.

Eso
 
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Turamber

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There is a lot of truth in your post. There is less and less in this game for the casual gamer or, *shock*, one who actually has a life away from the computer screen.

People with no time to farm RPs or to get spellcrafted equipment don't stand much of a chance against the 1337 crew and so, generally, their ingame time becomes ever more frustrating and thus curtailed.

You can still have fun though, and there are guilds out there who can organise decent RvR groups. It takes time to learn how to play your character in RvR (very different game to PvE) and not everyone enjoys the challenge of doing that.

But, yes, there is little in this game for the casual player -- probably one of the reasons Mythic make it so damned difficult to level. Because at least that way they can keep you in the game for a few months, unless you're one of the powergaming/levelling nerds of course :rolleyes:
 
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Phelicia

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Just cause Alb sucks, doesn't mean all realms suck... Delete, Y E S , and then reroll on some other server

kthxbb
 
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bilz

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Well, imo it's all about the right guild, or just finding people you like to play with in general.

As far as not offering anything to the causual gamer i really disagree. I'm prolly not really considered a causual gamer, but i honestly think that it's all about attitude in that area. If you start to put people who you consider elite in boxes and put yourself in another box you'll quickly look at it wrong and start hating the game, the elite or what ever.

How ever, what i think can ruin the game is if the enemies gets too powerful etc. Facing 5fg of silly middies when running around in a random setup grp in emain is enough to make me wonder how small thier balls really are. :flame:
( nothing personal guys, i'm just a terrible loser :p )

If you find RvR that terrible honestly, level another char? I did when rvr fizzled out at a time. Having 2 chars or more you can take out for a nice rvr run really makes the game loads more fun imo

oh well... bye bye, off to spain for brews and women.
 
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Esoteric

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Ohhhh if you wanna casual game level to 19 and twink yourself out (not hard esp if you have a 40's char) and then relax about in the bg's.
 
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-Nxs-

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Originally posted by Esoteric
Ohhhh if you wanna casual game level to 19 and twink yourself out (not hard esp if you have a 40's char) and then relax about in the bg's.

He has a valid point, playing in the BG's is sometimes better than main RvR.

Characters have very little RP, infact they dont want RP so they can stay and play longer without being cap'd

Realm abilaties are pretty rare, most people will eventualy get FA or MCL thats pretty much all youll see

Keep takes are very intense, with only the one keep.

Due to the small arena there is always something going on you should always be able to find someone walking around solo or with a friend, there are zergs but not as many as main RvR
 
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vestax

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I work 9-5 5 days a week.

I have many real life friends that i see at weekends/evenings.

I am in a "uber" RvR guild.

I have fun.
 
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chretien

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I work split day/evening shifts in a full time job, I go to the frontier perhaps twice/three times a week, my only character isn't 50 yet (despite 50 days /played in over a year) and I'm only 2l4 so no uber RAs. I have fun in RvR and I think I'm probably the most casual RvRer there is. Part of it as others have pointed out is the company you keep. I've had great days in Hadrians (before it turned into Emain 2), Odins and Yggdra whith guild groups and groups of friends.
I've never understood the login-Sauvage-Emain-release-Sauvage-Emain-Release-repeat until you log in frustration mentality, especially when there is cracking small group RvR action to be had elsewhere, yeah you might have to run around a bit to find someone but I'd rather do that than get chain ganked at the AMG in Emain.
 
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Jenkz

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Originally posted by chretien
I've never understood the login-Sauvage-Emain-release-Sauvage-Emain-Release-repeat until you log in frustration mentality, especially when there is cracking small group RvR action to be had elsewhere, yeah you might have to run around a bit to find someone but I'd rather do that than get chain ganked at the AMG in Emain.

1fg vs 1fg encounters in Emain are the best (most challenging) 1fg encounters there is, simple as that. its a challenge for those involved and its a great sense of achievement to beat strong group after strong group after strong group for a couple of hours. Some days are bad sure and you die constantly, but im sure that happens in HW or anywhere else, too.

Our guild group has gone to HW recently and died to hib "zergs" after taking 2-3fg of them with us, thats not as challenging as the groups we meet in emain. (eclipse/NP/MM etc)
 
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towell

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Yea its a let down.
Stop playing though its much more fun.
 
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greatred

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Originally posted by Sagba
RvR isn't just pwning and RP-farming. As long as you play with people you want to play with (guildies) it doesn't matter have you made 100k RPs or 0 RP in hours of RvRing. I for one dont give a shit about RPs or getting killed by some RvR-guild time after time.

I'm a weird drunkard tho :p
I agree with that. My main is still under 120k RP somewhere, but I have a good guild (IMO) and that makes it worthwhile for me. I guess you just have to play for what you enjoy.
 
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Yussef

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Heh, I find arguments about casual vs hardcore/uber players very amusing.

Basically you want to be on an equal level with the higher people, so to say. Now look at real life, you're not going to bring more talented people down to average people's level. Why? That's not exactly fair is it, you want to be equal, they don't, you would enjoy it, they won't.

Instead of just running off in random groups, sit at the PK and try to form a balanced group, message your friends/guildies etc.

And no I'm not some uber player, yes I work, yes I go out. But yes I do play more than some people, generalisation is really bad, the people who flag people as nerds because they're doing better than you is wrong.

Don't you have any pride? Must you always cry your eyes out because a game takes some effort? Heck, I do ok in the game in epic armour at the moment, yes I'm upgrading, I don't see why it's so hard for other people.

Also, if you choose not to play the game so long, why moan like a baby for? It's pretty obvious you need to organise stuff to play in such a short timespan. Ah, but then you say, but but I have a job! So if you didn't have this job, you would be playing more? Oh my god, you'll turn into a nerd!!!!

Go enjoy yourself in real life or whatever, leave the people alone who have fun from the game, who gives a shit if you're having fun or not?
 
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civy

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The familiar sound of the newly dinged cloth casting lvl 50. “This game sux”.

The despair will pass and be replaced with the sad acceptance that a large part of your time in rvr will be spent testing the different types of grass in the various realms.

Don’t lose all the anger though, you will need it to help you level an inf;)
 

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