Rant There's no u in we. (work)

[old.Tohtori]

So, i'm moving this santamas, but there's a real problem with getting the security deposit together.

Most apartments require over 1k in deposit, can't really scrape that up as i don't get 2k/month into the bank.

So i asked the company HR, who act like the bosses, all nice and "we are here if you need something", promote that it's a team, that it's all of us, and that there's no management steps (high class/ low class);

"Is it possible to rent an apartment via the company as yada yada, etc etc..." Politely asked about possibilities or even advice and noted that it's going to be a rather problematic situation if i can't get an apartment (doi).

The reply really pissed me off;

"Hi, we don't offer work apartments."

That's it. No more, nothing.

The "we" part especially made my eye twitch.

Now i'm contemplating on three possible reply templates;

1; Polite; "Oh well, thanks for the reply."
2: Not so polite, "Thank YOU for YOUR answer, WE will see how WE will manage."
3: Rather direct "Ofcourse you won't."

BAh, ...humbug!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh yeah, forgot to say that a work apartment is basically an apartment that the company pays the security deposit for, then you pay the apartment rent from your pay.

So there wouldn't even be any loss to the company.

Additional gripe comes from the 5 or so suggestions to improve our work enviroment haven't recieved even a "recieved the suggestions" from the department bosses

 

[fettoken]

Oh yeah, forgot to say that a work apartment is basically an apartment that the company pays the security deposit for, then you pay the apartment rent from your pay.

So there wouldn't even be any loss to the company.

Think of bosses like rich little fat kids that bully others, and doesn't want to share their toys. Even if it would be the best thing to do for this bully, like making people happy by sharing and getting friends... what a douchebag

 

[old.Tohtori]

Think of bosses like rich little fat kids that bully others, and doesn't want to share their toys. Even if it would be the best thing to do for this bully, like making people happy by sharing and getting friends... what a douchebag

I know, i just wish they'd act like that instead of acting like f*cking lizard peeps from V and be all "we're your friend!" and then ram it up your ass if you dare ask for help

 

[Calaen]

I suspect very few companies would offer that kind of service to staff tbh mate. What next pay a house deposit for someone that has to move and wants to buy? deposit for a car so they can get to and from work?

I understand it from your point of view, I am moving myself on the 1st of december and with credit check fees, security deposit, months rent in advance, getting new phone line installed, sky tv installation, moving van, full set of new furniture current place was fully furnished, I am looking at over 3k out of my bank by the end of this month.

Even though we knew this was coming it still shocks us to discover how much we have to grab out of our savings.

The only positive is we will receive our security deposit from our current place, but that takes a week or so after we actually move out.

 

[fettoken]

Stick it to them somehow then. Make them feel uncomfortable w/o having a reason to fire you.

But i mean. Should it not be in the companies best interests to take care of its workers and give them some sort of security and feeling that they work together for a certain goal... rather than making the workers feel like little men, unimportant men, like worker ants, expendable.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I suspect very few companies would offer that kind of service to staff tbh mate. What next pay a house deposit for someone that has to move and wants to buy? deposit for a car so they can get to and from work?

Hardly that. Plenty of companies offer it as it's no cot at all to the company and they get the only cost(deposit) when i move or quit the job.

So with no loss of money and only a few signatures, this is actually a rather dick move from so called "helpful" people

Haven't needed a security deposit in a couple of years, so that's not even going to help me.

Stick it to them somehow then. Make them feel uncomfortable w/o having a reason to fire you.

Yeah, i sent a "Oh well, thanks for all the help." to them

Oh and Calaen; i don't mind the company not helping out, but i would appreciate more then a "your problem" answer on it and i would like for the bosses to act like they REALLY act and not pretend to be "one big family".

 

[Calaen]

What if you leave your job and trash the apartment? they won't find out till you have left work and possibly the apartment. Security deposits are often witheld for things we would not consider.

 

[Lamp]

I think you probably have to climb up a lot of tree, knock a few monkeys off on the way up, and then claim your apartment

 

[old.Tohtori]

What if you leave your job and trash the apartment? they won't find out till you have left work and possibly the apartment. Security deposits are often witheld for things we would not consider.

Not in Finland. If there's any damage, it's fixed, but no scallywagging like in the UK.

If they think i'll trash the apartment, they have bigger trust issues.

 

[Ch3tan]

I'm sorry but I don't see why your company should basically pay a loan to you, (that is not risk free like you claim), because you cannot budget your cash flow properly?

Security deposits are protected in the UK as well, that does not mean things cannot go wrong in the apartment which can be claimed against.

Would the easiest solution not be to get a loan? Surely your firm paying a deposit for you is a perk or bonus that would have been clearly offered to you when you took the job, so it should not be a shock they are refusing it.

 

[Ch3tan]

Stick it to them somehow then. Make them feel uncomfortable w/o having a reason to fire you.

But i mean. Should it not be in the companies best interests to take care of its workers and give them some sort of security and feeling that they work together for a certain goal... rather than making the workers feel like little men, unimportant men, like worker ants, expendable.

And why should a company spend more than the wages they agreed with you to help you live? It is toht's responsibility as an adult to manage his life and money so that his pay covers his needs.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I could answer your post politely Ch3t, but i think i'll go with...

I'm sorry but I don't see why your company should basically pay a loan to you, (that is not risk free like you claim), because you cannot budget your cash flow properly?

F*ck you.

And...

It is toht's responsibility as an adult to manage his life and money so that his pay covers his needs.

F*ck you even more.

Could do without those insinuations.

 

[Thorwyn]

All companies I´ve been working for in the past tried everything to support their employees. I even had an offer from a company that wanted me to move and they agreed to pay the full rent of my appartment during the trial period. Of course, you can´t *expect* them to support you. I guess it´s all about the company structure. If it´s a large company and you´re employee No. 40151, then it´s a different thing. But a real team-oriented company should always try to help out (in their very own interest).

 

[Raven]

Never heard of a company paying out a housing deposit or even a loan to staff. Maybe try and get an advance on your wages or something?

Get advance
pay new deposit
collect deposit on existing property (Assuming you haven't trashed the place)
jobs a good'un

 

[Ch3tan]

Toht I see your debating skills are still as shit as usual. It's the internet, don't expect everyone to agree with your point of view or support you, just as in life.

I notice that you are happy playing devil's advocate on every controversial topic, but when it is something about you you don't like it one bit. Grow up.

 

[Calaen]

All companies I´ve been working for in the past tried everything to support their employees. I even had an offer from a company that wanted me to move and they agreed to pay the full rent of my appartment during the trial period. Of course, you can´t *expect* them to support you. I guess it´s all about the company structure. If it´s a large company and you´re employee No. 40151, then it´s a different thing. But a real team-oriented company should always try to help out (in their very own interest).

My uncle was head hunted and they offered to buy him a new home as part of the deal, that's some crazy shit!! He turned down the offer as well..

Oi check you pms Toh nubber

 

[Vasconcelos]

All that shizzle about "working toghether" "we are a team/family" and the rest of the crap, most of the times, if not everytime, is just SHENANNIGANS

I work for a big multinational US company and trust me when I say Ive never experienced the good side of that coin. E.g: funny how now with the crisis and all that, our salaries have been frozen but the bonuses of the "big guys" havent stop (more meagre but still something).

*raises fist in anger*

 

[old.Tohtori]

All companies I´ve been working for in the past tried everything to support their employees. I even had an offer from a company that wanted me to move and they agreed to pay the full rent of my appartment during the trial period. Of course, you can´t *expect* them to support you. I guess it´s all about the company structure. If it´s a large company and you´re employee No. 40151, then it´s a different thing. But a real team-oriented company should always try to help out (in their very own interest).

Yeah, especially since this isn't that big a company. Maybe 50 or so workers.

Just seemed like it was waved away as "No, get back to work.".

Toht I see your debating skills are still as shit as usual. It's the internet, don't expect everyone to agree with your point of view or support you, just as in life.

I notice that you are happy playing devil's advocate on every controversial topic, but when it is something about you you don't like it one bit. Grow up.

I don't expect you to agree, i expect you to leave your insinuation of me at the door.

So YOU have a bit of a grow up and discuss things without that. Insinuating that i can't handle my money, or that i should act like an adult is not needed and i dare you to find ONE incident where i've done that to you.

It's even mroe insulting coming from someone like you who usually keeps that shit out of topics.

You took the topic as "Wah they won't pay my deposit!", when it was a rant about them treating me like a worker ant and not even bothering to give a no with some polite tone.

Again, i NEVER complained that they're not paying for it. Or did i?

ONCE MORE; it's a rant about the company treating me like i'm "just a worker" while they say they are there to help etc. The tone of the mail was "get back to work". Get it?

Funny how the "you shit at discussion" pops up every time you feel analraped, otherwise it's a-ok what i say

 

[Moriath]

it is a bit presumptuous that you expect your company to give you more money than you are contracted for just because you havent had the foresight to save up for a security deposit

no company i ever worked for would do that. maybe its different in finland but in the uk you get whats in yr contract and the rest you have to sort out for yourself.

get a bank loan for the deposit and suck it up

 

[old.Tohtori]

Christ another one who takes it like that...i'd like to know which part of that post says "i want them to pay for it".

FYI; can't get a loan, so any other ideas are welcome.

And for anyone thinking it; i am doing things about it and i'm NOT just sitting on my arse

 

[Olgaline]

me thinks Ch3t jumped the gun and got burned ?

fyi he not bitching that he did not get the loan/appartment,
he's bitching over the reply..as in it's wording..no advice..ect ?

or am I missing something

 

[Raven]

Well if you can't get a loan you will just have to save up then. less nights out, a few bargain meals. Cut back on the ciggies etc. Your employer shouldn't be expected to support you, just pay you for your time/skills. I am surprised you even asked them tbh, as for the lack of advice, I would imagine that's down to them thinking, WTF???.

 

[fettoken]

Get a girlfriend to move in with you, so she also can help you pay.... humdidum

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well if you can't get a loan you will just have to save up then. less nights out, a few bargain meals. Cut back on the ciggies etc. Your employer shouldn't be expected to support you, just pay you for your time/skills. I am surprised you even asked them tbh.

Asking costs nothing and in finland we don't fear the bosses as much as brits and US peeps seem to do. No way one could be fired or problems could come out of it. Not to mention work housing is quite regular, as bad as asking if you could have the last donut.

It's quite hard to save a good 1k+ from 250/month that is left after rent and such. What with wanting to eat food and all

The reason i'm in a bit of a pickle is because some other person backed out of a previous agreement, but i can get an apartment still via some other means.

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

do you need help going to the toilet as well, does your garden need weeding, well, ring work up and they will sort you out, fs, save the money yourself, wait another month, everyone else does, you aint THAT special....

 

[Huntingtons]

did you ask them via mail or face to face?

 

[old.Tohtori]

do you need help going to the toilet as well, does your garden need weeding, well, ring work up and they will sort you out, fs, save the money yourself, wait another month, everyone else does, you aint THAT special....

Oh look, the troll ring is complete.

did you ask them via mail or face to face?

Via mail as the HR chiefy is working from home this week. Good point that it might sound harsher on mail then face to face.

me thinks Ch3t jumped the gun and got burned ?

Cold day in hades before this lot acknowledges doing something wrong

You didn't miss a thing.

 

[Ch3tan]

I have no problem with you telling me why I mis interpreted you, but you did not. You did your usual "Fuck off" reply that anyone gets when you don't like what they say.

I don't feel burned Olga, I think it's funny Toht starts a sympathy thread and expects everyone to play ball, think it's quite clear I am not the only one who read his threa like that from the answers.

Anyway good luck getting the money.

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

i aint trolling, i just think its a bit rich asking your company if they can pay for something which should be upto you to provide, if you were relocating for the job then yes that would be different.....