The value of life.

[Gungo]

He called me a fanny - so i gave him a 1% warning for 24hrs i'm so evil !

Evil, or just down right petty

 

[noblok]

Mikah: So you decide to shoot the old man, because he costs you more money? You also can't be sure of that. The kid may turn out to sponge of the system, while the old man may work untill he dies. Sure, odds are in favour of the old man costing more money, but whenever odds are involved a reasoning similar to the one in my previous post can be applied.

 

[Alan]

elderly in a flash :|!
too many of them around already... don't wanna end up like Italy now do we
and we're the ones who are or who are gonna have to be paying for their lives which will be alot, as they jsut wont die and the baby boomers are creeping into that category

Right so you'd kill the old man who lets say has 5 years left to live and sponge off the tax payer
Youd let the kid live who is going to sponge off the tax payer for schooling, benefits, 70+ years of NHS treatments and others i cant think of

Ohhhh...kay...... If you wana save money kill the kid

 

[Tesla Monkor]

I might seriously consider shooting myself, if forced to this choice.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And on the matter of the old man costing money, he paid to the system long before you did, didn't he?

Basicly the elderly around have paid for most of the middle aged people's upbringing costs and such.

Well, technically, we all pay and sponge from the system. That's why it's the -System-.

by the way, i shot the kid if anyone's wondering *cough*

 

[Eeben]

Think i would kill the old person tbh since he has lived he's life. love my self to much to kill my self an could not kill a kid but think you have to be in the situation before you can say it for you

 

[CorNokZ]

Old guy.. He might end up with cancer and being treated for that his last 5 years and tapping alot of money by having this disease..

The young boy will go to school and cost alot of money yes..







But he might invent the cure for cancer with his education..?

or he might this and that.. Old guy without a doubt

 

[noblok]

Old guy.. He might end up with cancer and being treated for that his last 5 years and tapping alot of money by having this disease..

Same goes for the child.

But he [the child] might invent the cure for cancer with his education..?

or he might this and that..

Same goes for the old man.

 

[CorNokZ]

Same goes for the old man.

If I hadn't spoken to any of them, I would believe the child would be more capable to inventing such a cure, because of the previous researchs, which the old man might have made, and research further and discover new stuff about cancer.. The old man has 5years to research.. The little boy has a lifetime

 

[noblok]

If I hadn't spoken to any of them, I would believe the child would be more capable to inventing such a cure, because of the previous researchs, which the old man might have made, and research further and discover new stuff about cancer.. The old man has 5years to research.. The little boy has a lifetime

Yes, but those are just odds. If you got to choose between two kids of exactly the same age: one has an IQ of 100, the other has 101 and you're given no further information. Would you decide to shoot the kid with the IQ of 100 "because he has more chance to invent a cure for cancer"? Probably not. If this small chance doesn't matter, then... (analogue with the age-reasoning).

 

[CorNokZ]

Yes, but those are just odds. If you got to choose between two kids of exactly the same age: one has an IQ of 100, the other has 101 and you're given no further information. Would you decide to shoot the kid with the IQ of 100 "because he has more chance to invent a cure for cancer"? Probably not. If this small chance doesn't matter, then... (analogue with the age-reasoning).

The could be the other way around too?

The old man is a useless twat and the little boy is a genious?

Why can't we get to kill the old man? There is a brighter future for the small one!

 

[noblok]

The could be the other way around too? The old man is a useless twat and the little boy is a genious?

Exactly, so it is incorrect to use it as an argument for either.

Why can't we get to kill the old man? There is a brighter future for the small one!

I didn't say you shouldn't kill the old man. Maybe you should. Stating that there is a brighter future for the child is once again based upon odds and on all odds a reasoning analogue to the previous ones can be applied. Who you decide to kill has to do with the symbolic value you attach to an old man and a child. It has little to do with relevant qualities.

 

[toxii]

people that make these kinds of polls deserve to be locked in an institution, funny how mods post in these threads and havent locked them already, deleted them, and permanently banned the user that did the thread in the first place

you aren't god to choose who lives or dies, period

 

[noblok]

Relax, it's a mere thought experiment. At no point did he actually promote the killing of someone.

 

[CorNokZ]

Exactly, so it is incorrect to use it as an argument for either.


I didn't say you shouldn't kill the old man. Maybe you should. Stating that there is a brighter future for the child is once again based upon odds and on all odds a reasoning analogue to the previous ones can be applied. Who you decide to kill has to do with the symbolic value you attach to an old man and a child. It has little to do with relevant qualities.

I choose to kill the old man due to the fact he has lived a whole life, and I think the child should have the exact same option

 

[noblok]

I choose to kill the old man due to the fact he has lived a whole life, and I think the child should have the exact same option

Interesting point. So the argument is based upong the life they have already had, rather than what they've still got left to live. Then again, the old man may have had a miserable life up untill now, while the child may have already lived 8 enjoyable years.

 

[Alan]

people that make these kinds of polls deserve to be locked in an institution, funny how mods post in these threads and havent locked them already, deleted them, and permanently banned the user that did the thread in the first place

you aren't god to choose who lives or dies, period

Only one mod has posted here (me) don't tar the others

The guidelines for the thread were pointed out in the first post along with a request to keep the thread civil - which it has been. This has been a thoughtful varied discussion for many people and the contributions have been insightful.

Go back to QQ'ing over addwhine or add something constructive !

 

[CorNokZ]

Interesting point. So the argument is based upong the life they have already had, rather than what they've still got left to live. Then again, the old man may have had a miserable life up untill now, while the child may have already lived 8 enjoyable years.

The old man probly got laid, the young boy probly didn't.. Give him a chance atleast

 

[lilmissnaughty]

gah decisions decisions...
i hate kids AND old people
would prolly flip a coin tbh and leave it to random chance which is what they both woulda had with normal life anyhow.

 

[noblok]

The old man probly got laid, the young boy probly didn't.. Give him a chance atleast

So we're back at the odds and arbitrary borders.

 

[Deebs]

Thread and poll closed.

Distasteful and not wanted.