Politics The Scottish Referendum - 'How' would YOU vote?

[Moriath]

Can't wait till it's over what ever the result and I can stop hearing about it.

IMO rest of us have as much invested and should have had a vote as well

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well now there's more threads about it then any natural/unnatural disaster in the history of the forums. Must be big news

 

[Hawkwind]

It is a natural disaster, we are just bystanders watching it happen.

 

[BloodOmen]

I would vote No, voting Yes just to get one over on politicians is a fucking stupid idea. Most of the Yes voters (that the media has caught) just seem like a bunch of aggressive tossers that have no idea what a Yes vote would actually do)

 

[Raven]

Then they deserve it as a nation for not educating their peers.

 

[Scouse]

Most of the Yes voters (that the media has caught) just seem like a bunch of aggressive tossers that have no idea what a Yes vote would actually do)

As opposed to the agressive tossers that most of the No voters are, who know exactly what a no vote will do (i.e. nothing whatsoever) yet haven't the balls to try for something different...

 

[CorNokZ]

Voted no. Their economy will go up in flames and no one will be able to borrow money if they have to rely totally on the Bank of England and the Sterling Pound

 

[BloodOmen]

As opposed to the agressive tossers that most of the No voters are, who know exactly what a no vote will do (i.e. nothing whatsoever) yet haven't the balls to try for something different...

I'm not into playing with peoples lives just for the sake of testing.

 

[Scouse]

Meh. There'd be a tough ten years but after that they'd be fine.

I the yes vote is more about a reaction to this sort of thing - which is supported by lots of people in England...


Edit:

I'm not into playing with peoples lives just for the sake of testing.

I agree, you're more about the fearful continuation of a deteriorating status quo and the aversion of risk...

 

[BloodOmen]

Voted no. Their economy will go up in flames and no one will be able to borrow money if they have to rely totally on the Bank of England and the Sterling Pound

They won't be able to borrow money anyway if they don't take their share of the debt when/if they leave, who in their right mind would lend them money after them basically going "lol fo we aren't paying the debt"

 

[Chilly]

Almost a third are undecided. The assumption is that undecideds will follow the proportions of those who are decided - this is totally and utterly invalid, statistically speaking. No one has a fucking clue.

 

[Scouse]

They won't be able to borrow money anyway if they don't take their share of the debt when/if they leave, who in their right mind would lend them money after them basically going "lol fo we aren't paying the debt"

If they get told "you can't use the UK pound as a currency" then why should they take on the UK pound's debt?

 

[BloodOmen]

If they get told "you can't use the UK pound as a currency" then why should they take on the UK pound's debt?

Because they'll still be wanting assets from the UK even if they don't get to use the pound as a currency.

 

[Scouse]

Because they'll still be wanting assets from the UK even if they don't get to use the pound as a currency.

I think they're pretty asset-rich themselves...

It's funny. "Tell scotland to fuck off, we're better off without them 'cause they cost us a lot of money" - what a crock of shit...

 

[Mabs]

If they get told "you can't use the UK pound as a currency" then why should they take on the UK pound's debt?

cos u cant run up a credit card bill, change banks and go "lol im not paying you any more" ?

 

[Scouse]

cos u cant run up a credit card bill, change banks and go "lol im not paying you any more" ?

You can't tell them that they're cut off from a particular economy and then expect them to settle those debts...

 

[BloodOmen]

I think they're pretty asset-rich themselves...

It's funny. "Tell scotland to fuck off, we're better off without them 'cause they cost us a lot of money" - what a crock of shit...

Doesn't matter how rich they are, they'll still be asking for various assets from the UK if they split off, if they don't take their share of the debt they should bet old to fuck off quite frankly over the asset demands.

 

[Hawkwind]

You can't tell them that they're cut off from a particular economy and then expect them to settle those debts...

Agreed, but the organisations the debt is owed to are the very people they will need in the future to borrow from. Self defeating move and leaves Scotland with very little options in reality. If the do renege on the debt they will get borrowing, just at much higher rates. The market is generally not forgiving of such actions regardless of the politics and perceptions of right and wrong in this matter. I just don't see this going well for them. Trying to hold the UK over a barrel on what is effectively 8.3% of the Debt, especially when they need so much more to be agreed on is daft. The UK will hold a lot of decent cards during the negotiations, many to do with jobs, security and trade. If Scotland were to screw us on oil and debt we could simply employ trade tariffs on any goods. Non EU, it would be legitimate import tax. Basically, we can fuck them a lot harder than they fuck us over. I don't think anyone really wants that, possible exception with iSalmond and the first (English hating) bitch.

 

[Hawkwind]

Doesn't matter how rich they are, they'll still be asking for various assets from the UK if they split off, if they don't take their share of the debt they should bet old to fuck off quite frankly over the asset demands.

8.3% of the gold and currently reserves for a start!

 

[Scouse]

8.3% of the gold and currently reserves for a start!

Gordon Brown sold off the majority of our gold reserves at the low point of the market. And who gives a fuck about currency reserves if they're not allowed them?

Scotland "cut loose" is incredibly asset-rich. S&P and Moody's have said an independent Scotland will get their highest rating.

And at the end of the day - a no vote = no change. Simple.

 

[Hawkwind]

Gordon Brown sold off the majority of our gold reserves at the low point of the market. And who gives a fuck about currency reserves if they're not allowed them?

Scotland "cut loose" is incredibly asset-rich. S&P and Moody's have said an independent Scotland will get their highest rating.

And at the end of the day - a no vote = no change. Simple.

Lets see if they say the same after reneging on the debt.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/Documents/reserves/2014/aug/tempoutput.pdf

Who cares about net assets of 43,455 US$Mn, I would

 

[Raven]

They wont renege on their debts. End of story.

To do so would make an already difficult situation impossible for them.

 

[Scouse]

They wont renege on their debts. End of story.

And we'll let 'em use the pound eventually too...

 

[Hawkwind]

Gordon Brown sold off the majority of our gold reserves at the low point of the market.

Estimated UK reserves with current market rate = 310 Tonnes at @39,751 US$ per Kg = $12,322,810,000.00

 

[Hawkwind]

And we'll let 'em use the pound eventually too...

Really, back to that argument. I know its only conjecture but can't see that happening if Scotland starts getting nasty on other key issues, BoE has already stated its not workable. Hard sell to UK voters given the information put out during this campaign.

 

[Raven]

And we'll let 'em use the pound eventually too...

We may well do but they will have absolutely no control over it, or interest rates.

 

[Bodhi]

Hmm, I do like it when rabid champagne socialists who witter on like a demented University Political Society members about how fucked up the system in this country is, whilst profiting very handsomely from it in the same way the corporations he so hates, suggests completely fucking up someone else's country just to prove a point. It's almost like regime change without the crackpot being deposed - in fact regime change in one of the most prosperous countries in the world. Except with bricks going through windows of lots of people, who are more than happy with the way things are.

/awaits some drivel about a status quo and evil corporations.

 

[Scouse]

drivel

I play by the rules. That's how I have an understanding of how bent they are.

Or should I just shut up and profit, not caring about the idiot dweebs who don't get it?

 

[Bodhi]

I play by the rules. That's how I have an understanding of how bent they are.

Or should I just shut up and profit, not caring about the idiot dweebs who don't get it?

You really are a helmet if you can't see the issue with your position. Do as I say not as I do, oh and by the way see those people I pretend to care about? All idiots.

 

[Gwadien]

You really are a helmet if you can't see the issue with your position. Do as I say not as I do, oh and by the way see those people I pretend to care about? All idiots.

That's because there's nothing he can do until they are aware of their position theirselves, it's like the Labour movement, the intelligenstia were helping out socialistesque movements throughout the 19th century, but doing it carefully, because at the end of the day, if you lose everything to fight for something, then you have nothing left, but if you wait until the masses are aware of their position through repeating the same old boring messages then there's something you can do about it.