the joys of being a mid stealther... (only for professional whiners)

[Dumle]

well first i get 10% slash bonus on sb and u dont get 10% bonus on infil
plus i get spec af with mota4 bb so a bit more af

and i have
71 slash/cs 43 dw
mopain 4 aug str 5
26 str cap
9 style 8 melee bonus
727 af buffed

and dont forget relics

And a SB has the option to spec 50 Weapon/ 50 CS?
Not unless you want to use 2handers, and that is not an option, that is good for killing casters and not much else.

If a SB would spec 50 weap/ 50 CS even on RR11 they wouldnt do half the damage that an infil with that spec did anyway, since LA would be too low, and low LA destroys our damage because of the idiotic LA damagemechanics.

SBs in NF will do even less damage because of the removal of DR, this only hurts infil/NS swingrate on secondary weapon. On SBs ir lowers damage on every swing and hit, nerfing our damage even further.

Im a firm supporter of giving SB a regular DualWield instead of LA, LA works for zerkers that can spec 50/50 Weap/LA, not for SBs Im afraid.
GIVF SBs H2H spec, without triple or quads, would be nice as hell, would give us the possibility to spec something elst than slashdamage and also give us str/dex weapons.

as example, a RR11 SB spec, compared to yours...
50+21 Sword
50+21 CS
29+21 Stealth
16+21 Env
16+21 LA (wouldnt work at all, much too low)

See the difference, first you have more specpoints, then it is not as important (still important I guess but not 100% damagedefining) to spec high in your DW line.

 

[nuky]

yes SC template with RAs is a lot better than having no resist and no ras?
i doubt u can kill anyone without resist ras without getting 2 shoted
and sb get more ras points to spend than ns/infil cause infil get vanish purge and ns purge ap con 3 but sb just need purge
never tried pain 4 on ur sb ? never tested the huge difference it has compared to no pain?

lol if i could be arsed with a really long sig that shit would be it

 

[Derric]

Still wanna see the unedited log instead of all this sillyness.

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Still wanna see the unedited log instead of all this sillyness.

Ppl want whine, not logs ^^

 

[xxManiacxx]

without specc af and haste it would be

infil = SB = NS

Did some testing on gorre with 2 friends. capped the most important stuff, thrust and pierce on infil and nightshade and without the specc af infil vs SB was 50/50 and every fight was close call. with specc af infil won 8/10 times. against NS it was harder but thats because of the slash resistant armor that u cant get away from unless using legendaries (and cba to do that on the test server).

Just some unscientific testing for you

 

[Cylian]

how about slash-infil and blade-shade (remedy?) ?

 

[xxManiacxx]

havent tried slash specced yet. maybe gonna try it tonight if we can find the time. But just on before hand if there is slash infil vs slash ns vs SB it will be
NS > Infil > SB just because of the slash resistant armor on NS and that SB is slash vurnable

Totally unbuffed kobbie SBs rock though

 

[Shadster]

I just wish people would stop going on about how overpowered infils are yea they hit hard but if you put time and effort in ur char you can get ur char similar stats then i guess it will help you

and tbh when you loose a fight 99% of the time is cause you had been stunned or PA

They pa you first you will prob loose you pa first you will win

You get stun in first you win

i have 1568 Ws and id say i hit quite good

the other day just jumped AMG saw a few albs and izihere got killed by bigchief with out taking any dmg he SL he then popped me i got stun = I win
like i say another day he will get pa or stun and win, Assasin classes are all about who gets stun in as you all no the fights not last long at all

anyway bigchief Nerf ur WS GIF

Cylian Heads up m8 you are one of the better SB,s out there and you always gif a good fight

 

[Cylian]

if it just would work out like that

 

[Vermillon]

Damn im glad i quit this PoS game. Even something as blatant as the balance issue's betweem SB's and Infils still can't seem to get into those think skulls of albs.

Too many l33t kiddies playing imho. Forget about your class for one second and look at the big picture do you honestly think its "fair" that your class (Infil) can outdamage another realms "equivalent" by almost double ?

/em waits for the kiddies to start yelling Savage!

Let em remind you some things

How much time we had overpowered zerkers/SB on our neck? I still remember arrogant SBs unstealth behind my rr7 paladin, without even a try for PA or anything, attack and spam anytimes. I say well deserved nerf. Being arrogant = i'm glad you pay for it.

What about BDs? are they l33t kiddies? I'm sure my rr10 paladin with 2 full insta heals and purge will lose against any rr1 BD. You find that fair?

How much time we had overpowered savages with quads on 3/4 of their hits? And still of the best tanks groupwish.

Does healer + asd debuff rings a bell? And for how long that bell ringed? 4-5 months?

Personaly the only period that i considered that Albion had some advantage was the period before spellcraft becasue there wasnt actualy any need of debuffing the targets and firewizard and spirit Theus could take down everyone fast.Only Mid/Hib had the privilege of the easy access to debuffs as they do now, with classes that could debuff their dmg (RM, chanter)., but since resists werent so good due to absence of spellcraft debuff was not needed so there was some balance. And i say balance because RM could do exactly that same thing as firewizard or even better.
After that period we only faced overpowered compinations(ex.endurance regen + left axe) and overpowered classes(ex.BDs, savages) on behalf of other realms. Most of them have been fixed, but only after alowing many players to abuse them for very long period.

cba to write more. There is no way in this univerce to convince mids that they always had some advantage against the other. There is no way to take that gum of their mouth that make them call allthe others zerglings, altho even they cant hold them selfs of zerging when they got the numbers(see amg before few days with old fashioned mid camping) . Ok my friends mids, you dont zerg all the time, but only when you have the numbers. Just quit chewing that gum about albs, is not our fault that you realm zerglings dont come to rvr.

pss.Either you flame well or dont flame at all!

 

[Cylian]

so when was the Infil buff-up ? Just wondering since I wouldn't know that there were any significiant changes past the 2.5specc points. So don't tell me SBs were any more overpowered than infils... just that infils are still up there.

 

[Vermillon]

so when was the Infil buff-up ? Just wondering since I wouldn't know that there were any significiant changes past the 2.5specc points. So don't tell me SBs were any more overpowered than infils... just that infils are still up there.

So are BDs...

p.s. Oh sould i mention for how long time you could have endurance regen buff from your buffbot all the time?

 

[Martok]

So are BDs...

p.s. Oh sould i mention for how long time you could have endurance regen buff from your buffbot all the time?

YAY release the Vermillon on though's whineing mid's!!! :kissit:

 

[Cylian]

try fighting a necro with your pally.

oh, and endregen lasted long enough to sprint to amgO ... and loose it right there.
or alternativly, sprint to amgE keep it maybe 5min, if you could sprint unstealthed without getting splatted or delayed otherwise. Wow!

 

[Vermillon]

try fighting a necro with your pally.

oh, and endregen lasted long enough to sprint to amgO ... and loose it right there.
or alternativly, sprint to amgE keep it maybe 5min, if you could sprint unstealthed without getting splatted or delayed otherwise. Wow!

How many Necros you meet? Most of the time there is no Necro in emain at least, with max of 4-5 Necros some times.
How many BDs you meet? Lets not talk about how many DBs are out there.
Can Nercos play in group as BDs can? The answer is no with the curent situation of rvr ofc. And that the main reason of the Nercos low population in rvr. The only reason to make a Necro is the great pl they can do.

And yes Necros are hard but not as hard as BDs. Dont pretent that having an insta lifetap every 5 seconds and endless healing is not overpowered. I never had saw any other "caster class" to try melee an rr10 paladin with his staff having so much self confidence.

 

[Ormor]

How many Necros you meet? Most of the time there is no Necro in emain at least, with max of 4-5 Necros some times.
How many BDs you meet? Lets not talk about how many DBs are out there.
Can Nercos play in group as BDs can? The answer is no with the curent situation of rvr ofc. And that the main reason of the Nercos low population in rvr. The only reason to make a Necro is the great pl they can do.

And yes Necros are hard but not as hard as BDs. Dont pretent that having an insta lifetap every 5 seconds and endless healing is not overpowered. I never had saw any other "caster class" to try melee an rr10 paladin with his staff having so much self confidence.

Every 4 seconds

 

[Vermillon]

Every 4 seconds

oh yeah my bad

 

[Shadster]

If you want to see a necro just go to apk they hug the walls at the keep

and Necros are much harder to kill than bd's solo expecially when necro buffed


But only prob Bd get grps Necros do not

 

[Cylian]

take a look at the corners of amg during the evening, especially what's sitting inside the walls there.

usually called 'abomination'

 

[Vermillon]

take a look at the corners of amg during the evening, especially what's sitting inside the walls there.

usually called 'abomination'

oh come on Cylian dont talk about people get inside wall or hit through doors. I got few times PAed by you through the door at amg Odin if you remember long time ago, actualy you always do it, so hush! There was your friend Kipu too.

 

[Yeke]

Was going to write a huge ass post but really cba wont change anything anyway.

Just posted to say bonedancers cant stealth. go re read the thread title.

Thx

 

[Azathrim]

Hey Vermillon, do you think the SB vs. Infil balance is as it should be? And, how do you rate the assassins in effeciency to each other?

 

[Shadster]

Was going to write a huge ass post but really cba wont change anything anyway.

Just posted to say bonedancers cant stealth. go re read the thread title.

Thx

But like in every thread that gets made some one always changes the subject :-0

 

[Kedoz]

How much time we had overpowered zerkers/SB on our neck? I still remember arrogant SBs unstealth behind my rr7 paladin, without even a try for PA or anything, attack and spam anytimes. I say well deserved nerf. Being arrogant = i'm glad you pay for it.

Aye we deserve a nerf cuz one SB was arrogant towards you....make sense.

What about BDs? are they l33t kiddies? I'm sure my rr10 paladin with 2 full insta heals and purge will lose against any rr1 BD. You find that fair?

And you think you stand a better chance vs any caster? Ur a melee class, ur hp doesnt matter, any mid caster can CC you to death... even a spiritmaster pet could prolly solo you Only thing you can do is to interupt with ur insta shout.. and that wount help you in the long run afaik.

How much time we had overpowered savages with quads on 3/4 of their hits? And still of the best tanks groupwish.

If you think savages was/is overpowerd you are mistaken, its just a myth. If you want to whine about zerkers be my guest, but a zerker do more dmg than a savage do. Its not like you see a Savage oneshoting a caster often.
But ask Zang on excal how often he oneshots casters
Have you ever tried dueling a Merc? Try that first the come whine about mid melee classes.

Warrior = Palladin (palladin is more group friendly)
Savage/zerker = merc (about the same dmg output, merc/zerker can become banelord, merc can also become battlemaster as the savage can)

Does healer + asd debuff rings a bell? And for how long that bell ringed? 4-5 months?

All realms has the same debuff. Chanters on hib, healers on mid.. cbaed to look up wich class has it on alb.
And if you realy want to whine about that spell.. throw it at the hibs.. they got the one that interupts casters..

Personaly the only period that i considered that Albion had some advantage was the period before spellcraft becasue there wasnt actualy any need of debuffing the targets and firewizard and spirit Theus could take down everyone fast.Only Mid/Hib had the privilege of the easy access to debuffs as they do now, with classes that could debuff their dmg (RM, chanter)., but since resists werent so good due to absence of spellcraft debuff was not needed so there was some balance. And i say balance because RM could do exactly that same thing as firewizard or even better.
After that period we only faced overpowered compinations(ex.endurance regen + left axe) and overpowered classes(ex.BDs, savages) on behalf of other realms. Most of them have been fixed, but only after alowing many players to abuse them for very long period.

Mhhm so getting debuffed and nuked by sorcs for about 800 doesnt count I figure?
Left Axe got nerfed back to the stone age, thats the main reason why SB's hit like crap. They cant spec 50 LA as zerks can. I can agree upon that zerkers needed a nerf, but that killed the SB dmg output.
And I peronaly like the endregen better now thats its a normal buff with range. Wich means we have to have a char in the group that gives end just like the two other realms.

cba to write more. There is no way in this univerce to convince mids that they always had some advantage against the other. There is no way to take that gum of their mouth that make them call allthe others zerglings, altho even they cant hold them selfs of zerging when they got the numbers(see amg before few days with old fashioned mid camping) . Ok my friends mids, you dont zerg all the time, but only when you have the numbers. Just quit chewing that gum about albs, is not our fault that you realm zerglings dont come to rvr.

pss.Either you flame well or dont flame at all!

As you said ur self.. either you flame well or dont flame at all.....

 

[Ormor]

take a look at the corners of amg during the evening, especially what's sitting inside the walls there.

usually called 'abomination'

You pa'd me through mg room door last night..

 

[Cylian]

the horror!

 

[Araudry]

And you think you stand a better chance vs any caster? Ur a melee class, ur hp doesnt matter, any mid caster can CC you to death... even a spiritmaster pet could prolly solo you Only thing you can do is to interupt with ur insta shout.. and that wount help you in the long run afaik.



If you think savages was/is overpowerd you are mistaken, its just a myth. If you want to whine about zerkers be my guest, but a zerker do more dmg than a savage do. Its not like you see a Savage oneshoting a caster often.
But ask Zang on excal how often he oneshots casters
Have you ever tried dueling a Merc? Try that first the come whine about mid melee classes.



Warrior = Palladin (palladin is more group friendly)

lol ur so funny

 

[bigchief]

anyway bigchief Nerf ur WS GIF

Its higher now xD

1680.

Give NF and its even higher

 

[Vermillon]

Aye we deserve a nerf cuz one SB was arrogant towards you....make sense.



And you think you stand a better chance vs any caster? Ur a melee class, ur hp doesnt matter, any mid caster can CC you to death... even a spiritmaster pet could prolly solo you Only thing you can do is to interupt with ur insta shout.. and that wount help you in the long run afaik.



If you think savages was/is overpowerd you are mistaken, its just a myth. If you want to whine about zerkers be my guest, but a zerker do more dmg than a savage do. Its not like you see a Savage oneshoting a caster often.
But ask Zang on excal how often he oneshots casters
Have you ever tried dueling a Merc? Try that first the come whine about mid melee classes.

Warrior = Palladin (palladin is more group friendly)
Savage/zerker = merc (about the same dmg output, merc/zerker can become banelord, merc can also become battlemaster as the savage can)




All realms has the same debuff. Chanters on hib, healers on mid.. cbaed to look up wich class has it on alb.
And if you realy want to whine about that spell.. throw it at the hibs.. they got the one that interupts casters..



Mhhm so getting debuffed and nuked by sorcs for about 800 doesnt count I figure?
Left Axe got nerfed back to the stone age, thats the main reason why SB's hit like crap. They cant spec 50 LA as zerks can. I can agree upon that zerkers needed a nerf, but that killed the SB dmg output.
And I peronaly like the endregen better now thats its a normal buff with range. Wich means we have to have a char in the group that gives end just like the two other realms.



As you said ur self.. either you flame well or dont flame at all.....

LA got nerfed because was overpowered that all i said. It wasnt before end regen , but with endregen was overpowered combo.

Yeah right i forgot to mention that SMs pets are overpowered too, thank you for bringing it on.
Plus not all casters can kill me, there are fair chances i can kill them too. That doesnt aply with BDs and SMs tho.

Savages dont oneshot caster now , they are ok now as i said. I was talking bout past times that you always had something to better thatn other realms. Plus savages and prenerf zerker was the only melee class that could kill support with BoF on, that explains it all.

No matter i have rr10 paladin i belive that paladins are the curse of the opted albion group , i wish there was an other class with endurance regen, friar for example.

Debuff on speclines that are not fit in opted group are not considered easy accessed.

Asd is on theurgist (1 in alb group)[fixed], healer (3 in mid group)[fixed], chanter (1-2 in hib group). Take your pick.

p.s. wither you flame back or you never start the flames!!

 

[remi]

Plus savages and prenerf zerker was the only melee class that could kill support with BoF on, that explains it all.

just says something about bof being a retarded spell , doesnt it?