the joys of being a mid stealther... (only for professional whiners)

[Jenkz]

Ye, bc wasnt grouped with us tho (never is). he was solo

 

[bigchief]

Ye, bc wasnt grouped with us tho (never is). he was solo

(always is)

and I added from a mile away with a 2k range javelin just as you were about to restealth so it was blatently obvious I wasn't with them no?

 

[Shike]

spec af

topped out on 756 AF on my shitty rr4NS

/looks for the specAF on hibbots

 

[xxManiacxx]

topped out on 756 AF on my shitty rr4NS

/looks for the specAF on hibbots

hmmm max a SB can get with af charge with 25% bonus and +50af is 717

www.novator.se/daoc/af.jpg

So I guess GoV procced?

 

[Shike]

correct Grym

was funny when I had that AF, and AP3 running, invisibul was cursing in IRC

"Garrote for 116!!?!?" wtf..

/chuckles

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

still 433 pa on spec af and no slash bonus nerf :<

aye, thats where you do 800 dmg

 

[Fafnir]

I will just quote a few prydwen albs from Gorre.

"I just tried out an infil, its just to easy its not even fun"
or
"I feel sorry for the sb's that pa me, my everytime styles hit harder"
or
"OMG the fecker landed a hit after i used DF" (this one really made me giggle)

 

[Escape]

"the joys of being a mid stealther" were before the LA nerf, when SBs could hit for 400+ with DF.

Should've rolled a savage/BD with the other fotms

 

[inqy]

the absolute only times I have enjoyed my sb are fights like this and believe me this is EXTREMELY rare.

Think this was a fresh rr1/2 inf or scout (I can't remember) who'd come out with crap resists/armour. 2h pa + 2h cd followup. Even surprised myself with the dmg tbh

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/inq/daoc/fights/Iniquity-Preat-1.jpg

 

[Azathrim]

was funny when I had that AF, and AP3 running, invisibul was cursing in IRC

"Garrote for 116!!?!?" wtf..

/chuckles

Sounds like a SB against an Infil.

 

[emma]

Damn im glad i quit this PoS game. Even something as blatant as the balance issue's betweem SB's and Infils still can't seem to get into those think skulls of albs.

Too many l33t kiddies playing imho. Forget about your class for one second and look at the big picture do you honestly think its "fair" that your class (Infil) can outdamage another realms "equivalent" by almost double ?

/em waits for the kiddies to start yelling Savage!

 

[Dorin]

just roll a infil on gorre cylan to see ze balance ><


^^

 

[Cylian]

just roll a infil on gorre cylan to see ze balance ><


^^

did that. started crying.

 

[willowywicca]

the absolute only times I have enjoyed my sb are fights like this and believe me this is EXTREMELY rare.

So the only times SB is fun is when you 2 shot someone and they can only hit back for 1/10th your health before dying.. yep you're definitely after balance then

 

[Kedoz]

The fact is this is a game based around a random number generator. I chain evades in a fight = I win. You chain evades = you win. Ofc I was helped by the fact I wasn't debuffed, you were and I have high qui and dodger anyway. With respect to the damage, again, relics, no enervating, 1660+ WS, low resists vs high resists .. etc. The simple truth is I hit you for less than I hit some other people, for instance

(removed picture or the post would have been LARGE )
In this fight you did a garrote for 306 dmg. Im lucky if i can get to 200 even with a heat proc going off. If you get a heat proc of the dmg would be like 370 or something.

I have around 2100 hp, im not sure how much hp an Infil has, but lets just say he has 1800 to make the calc easy.

2100/370 = 5 swings ( also calculated in the proc ++)
1800/190 = 9 swings ( included procs ++ )

And you can also factor in the str/con debuffs here wich affects a SB more than an Infil since we use Str weaps, and (atleast some albs) use Thrusters wich are Dex/Str weaps.

Albion leather also are slash neutral, but crush weak. Who ever came up whit this was either drunk or realy love albion tbh. In an assasin fight, we cant bring anything (except heat weaps now) that can do + dmg to Infils.

Just for fun the other day I made my self a SB on Gorre, and speced him 50 CS 50Sword ... and thats some nice dmg. But he swings EXTREMLY slow, and vs evade VII its not realy any point in useing a 2Hander. But I did pa an Infil for 834 dmg, but only to miss the 2 other swings I got before I died The reason why I mentioned this, is that there are no way a SB can avoid going high LA. And with LA ruining our dmg.. well we are just fked . I actualy do more dmg with just one weap in my hand, than 2. But again then I get evaded to death

So if you call the classes "balanced" you have no idea what ur talking about. Ofc a RR8 Sb might kill a low RR Infil or something. And as said befor its a random number based game... so I guess there is always a smal chance that you win even vs a high RR and skilled player. But thats luck and will not happend offen.

 

[Dorac]

And you can also factor in the str/con debuffs here wich affects a SB more than an Infil since we use Str weaps, and (atleast some albs) use Thrusters wich are Dex/Str weaps.

Albion leather also are slash neutral, but crush weak. Who ever came up whit this was either drunk or realy love albion tbh. In an assasin fight, we cant bring anything (except heat weaps now) that can do + dmg to Infils.

The dex/str based weaponskill and SB's having slash vulnerable armor are two advantages that can't be combined, I hope you realize that.

 

[Marath]

Think he means that infil can use any slash weapons (like malice+battler) or thrust heaters for bonus damage.

When sbs are f***ed using anything but heaters.

 

[Cylian]

Heat Weapons. There you go.

While a SB can get that advantage too, they can't get the advantage of Str/Dex based weapons.

and for a Slash-Infil ... how often does he need purge ?

Stun-styles
for Hunters: Back Positional ... who runs from a hunter ?
for SBs: 2nd Style in a chain... never had a FG get purged, never! (well, one purged when the stun was about to run out anyway)
most people don't even realize that a SB -can- get a stun in mid fight.

 

[bigchief]

I have around 2100 hp, im not sure how much hp an Infil has, but lets just say he has 1800 to make the calc easy.

2100/370 = 5 swings ( also calculated in the proc ++)
1800/190 = 9 swings ( included procs ++ )

And lets conveniantly forget that the offhand swings every round for a SB.

Btw a 330 swing with an anytimer is far from 'average'. O and while we are at it, your SB is rr2. My infil is nearly rr8, fully sc'd with 8 artifacts, huge stat overcaps, ra's that are designed to increase my damage rather than survivability, ML10 and so on. Can you honestly say thats a fair comparison?

From what people say to me on irc I do hit harder than 95% of other infils regularly. If you want to compare damage, get a rr2 infil thats semi toa'd to post logs of his damage instead. I only know of one SB thats put a similar amount of time into his character (non rvr) that I have with my infil and needless to say when we have a 1v1 its really close.

 

[DaggerElivager]

Heat Weapons. There you go.

While a SB can get that advantage too, they can't get the advantage of Str/Dex based weapons.

and for a Slash-Infil ... how often does he need purge ?

Stun-styles
for Hunters: Back Positional ... who runs from a hunter ?
for SBs: 2nd Style in a chain... never had a FG get purged, never! (well, one purged when the stun was about to run out anyway)
most people don't even realize that a SB -can- get a stun in mid fight.

you add that sb's can get that advantage of a heat weapon......but so can all other chars so it really isnt an advantage to sb's it is.... as nearly all people run with a spare heat weap for when they meet stealthiers

 

[bigchief]

Stun-styles
for Hunters: Back Positional ... who runs from a hunter ?
for SBs: 2nd Style in a chain... never had a FG get purged, never! (well, one purged when the stun was about to run out anyway)
most people don't even realize that a SB -can- get a stun in mid fight.

For slash infs: ....

 

[DaggerElivager]

For slash infs: ....

do slash infils actually need a stun tho when against sb's??

 

[Marath]

I only know of one SB thats put a similar amount of time into his character (non rvr) that I have with my infil and needless to say when we have a 1v1 its really close.

Name and shame ! :wub:

Can post this as:
Cant be me as I dont hit hard with low weaponspec.

 

[Cylian]

fill me in, what's sooooo great about your SC template and your RA choice ?

 

[Araudry]

do slash infils actually need a stun tho when against sb's??

all assassins get stun style except slash infil thats so nice and i think blade ns can get stun style in cd

 

[bigchief]

fill me in, what's sooooo great about your SC template and your RA choice ?

this sums it up nicely imo.

 

[Marath]

EDIT: Damn you were fast to post that bc, but anyhow I leave the rest of my post here.

1600+++ ws with thrusters where enervating drops him near the undebuffed ws of sbs without 50wspec.

So after enervating and not using purge the damage difference is not huge like with all others ... its massive. (and do tell me how many sbs can purge some poison while getting stunned 95% of the time in rvr.)

 

[DaggerElivager]

all assassins get stun style except slash infil thats so nice and i think blade ns can get stun style in cd

yeah but what wud u rather??? sb dmg with a 2nd chain stun thing (FG) or a slash infil doing insame amounts of dmg on an sb meaning they dont need the stun.....i know which i'd choose if i didnt like mid so much.

 

[klavrynd]

. (only for professional whiners)

/cameo

ps : araudry sucks

 

[Araudry]

yeah but what wud u rather??? sb dmg with a 2nd chain stun thing (FG) or a slash infil doing insame amounts of dmg on an sb meaning they dont need the stun.....i know which i'd choose if i didnt like mid so much.

well a sb can compete with spec af and haste + artifacts if u have a healer u just swap haste for spec buffs so one bb is enought to get fully buffed with haste