The invasion of Normandy

[Sigurd]

Eh? What? Hang on...... are you for real? You're making this up aren't you? How in the name of fucking sanity can a country that has had a Bill of Rights since 1791 be an "illusion of democracy"?? Are you seriously suggesting that they pretend to exercise democracy while the entire planet is watching them?

And we're heading down the same path? You're not just an obnoxious uneducated cretin, you're fucking mad as well mate.
There have been 2 some would say 3 super powers. USA, Russia and the third possibly being China. Of the 3, the USA and China still stand. Russia collapsed because of the system and the people wanting change.
But its gradually working its way back onto its feet.
China has nearly embraced free trade and is now a commie state that trades like a democratic one.

If you mean further back into history, like the British Empire or even Roman Empire for example, well we gave the countries back after WW2 and the Romans started out as the Roman Rebublic in 509 BC before it became the Roman Empire under Caeser Augustus somewhere between 50 and 25 BC. It "fell", or at least the last Emperor in Rome was deposed in 476 AD NEARLY 1000 FUCKING YEARS LATER!!
And even then it continued as something else anyway (the Byzantine Empire) until Constaninople was sacked by the Turks in 1453.

I fail to see the validity of your argument. I also fail to see why I'm arguing with a tosser who refuses to accept the evidence of his own eyes.

Because you're a mother fucking ****? Does it matter how long an empire rules, when it's destined to fail anyway? You see.. america will fall, be certain of that. Over the years that country has pissed on too many people's graves and soon it will pay the consequences. Their government has only stirred more things up with the whole September 11 thing and the hatred will soon boil over. You call democracy a choice of two candidates... just two.. and even then, the elections are still fixed?

 

[dysfunction]

The G8 Countries: USA, France, Germany, UK, Russia, Japan, Canada, Italy and Reps from the European Union.

There is a summit in Georgia sometime this year and George Bush is the Chairman. The purpose of the G8 is to deal with world economics, international trade, relationships with developing countries. They also discuss things like the internet, global employment, environment, crime and drugs, and other issues such as human rights.

These G8 countries do comply with the decisions they come to at these summits and ministers meet up during the year to see how things are progressing.

The G7/8 provides an important occasion for busy leaders to discuss major, often complex international issues, and to the develop the personal relations that help them respond in effective collective fashion to sudden crises or shocks. The summit also gives direction to the international community by setting priorities, defining new issues and providing guidance to established international organizations. At times it arrives at decisions that address pressing problems or shape international order more generally.

Sigurd, the USA is a key player in this group of countries, how can they possibly be as evil as you say?? That would mean all of the countries mentioned would also have to be evil which practicly means the entire world as they form about 60% of the worlds economy. China would also be included here but its not a democracy and is therefore excluded.

Just face it you have no basis for anything you say. So I suggest you best put your tail between your legs and scuttle off....

 

[Ch3tan]

ahh Sigurd dude, you crack me up.

 

[Sigurd]

The G8 Countries: USA, France, Germany, UK, Russia, Japan, Canada, Italy and Reps from the European Union.

There is a summit in Georgia sometime this year and George Bush is the Chairman. The purpose of the G8 is to deal with world economics, international trade, relationships with developing countries. They also discuss things like the internet, global employment, environment, crime and drugs, and other issues such as human rights.

These G8 countries do comply with the decisions they come to at these summits and ministers meet up during the year to see how things are progressing.



Sigurd, the USA is a key player in this group of countries, how can they possibly be as evil as you say?? That would mean all of the countries mentioned would also have to be evil which practicly means the entire world as they form about 60% of the worlds economy. China would also be included here but its not a democracy and is therefore excluded.

Just face it you have no basis for anything you say. So I suggest you best put your tail between your legs and scuttle off....

So, you're willing to disregard america's habit of carpet bombing villages in third world countries because of this?

 

[Driwen]

You call democracy a choice of two candidates... just two.. and even then, the elections are still fixed?

uhm there are more than just two candidates, for one there is an election in the democrats/republicans who will run for president (off course if one party has the president that can get re-elected they will usually have no elections) and then at the president vote you have more than just the democrat/republican candidate. Allthough the others arent serious candidates for the presidency, they can be for any other election.

Ow and in UK who becomes prime minister has always been between labour and the conservatives.

And wtf about elections being fixed?

 

[dysfunction]

So, you're willing to disregard america's habit of carpet bombing villages in third world countries because of this?

Please tell me which countries and when they did this? I'd like more information...

 

[Sigurd]

There are effectively two candidates, yes it's the same for the UK, and no it isn't democracy. The elections were fixed - Al Gore won. In other words... bush cheated...

There's too many to count but I'm sure you could find a list somewhere on the internet - I can't be tossed myself. Convincing a facist to stop being a facist is too much effort, better to just rid humanity of them for good.

 

[Driwen]

There are effectively two candidates, yes it's the same for the UK, and no it isn't democracy. The elections were fixed - Al Gore won. In other words... bush cheated...

lol at last part, its how their system works. Florida had a lousy election system, but it seems Bush had the majority there. Meaning that he had the most votes from the states. The same can happen in the UK, where majority of the people want the conservatives in parlement, but due to the votes being distributed equally they loose out to the labour party (just an example).
The system has advantages and disadvantages, one of the disadvantages is that the majority of the people would want someone else than is actually elected. However this is the first time (or atleast first since a long time) that the person who had most votes didnt win.

Now the people can choose who needs to be candidates, they can choose who should be the president, they can choose the parlement who controls what the president does. They can also actively participate in it all, if they want to. So I would say that the USA is a democracy.

edit: Sigurd what do you think is a fascist?

 

[Sigurd]

Even according to their screwed up system, the elections were fixed. Where's the democracy in a country with a leader who wasn't elected by the public?

 

[dysfunction]

There's too many to count but I'm sure you could find a list somewhere on the internet - I can't be tossed myself. Convincing a facist to stop being a facist is too much effort, better to just rid humanity of them for good.

Just name 2 or 3 and when...I'm sure you can do that.
Or maybe you dont know of any??

 

[Bodhi]

Even according to their screwed up system, the elections were fixed. Where's the democracy in a country with a leader who wasn't elected by the public?

Oh good god you've taken the biscuit now. You are clearly just another anti-Americain bulshitter too busy foaming at the mouth to form clear and reasonable opinions. The last American elections weren't "fixed" in any way - the Supreme Court (you know the highest court in the land) decreed that George Bush won the election fair and square. I frankly don't care about the political alignment of the Supreme Court judges - they knew they had to make an impartial decision, otherwise they'd be lynched by the so called majority. I find the election of George Dubya no more dodgy than the election of JFK (suspicions of mob ties helping swing Chicago, a state as important to JFK's election as Florida was to Bush), and frankly get a tad bored by this "They fixx0red the election!"!"!"2" bullshit. No they didn't. The US is one country they could never get away with it.

We're the ones with blinkers on? You have had every single person in this goddamned thread telling you you are full of shit, yet you refuse to budge an inch. Aye, we're the blinkered ones.

Such a tragic way for a thread intended to remember those who died for our country 60 years ago to develop. Sigurd, you are scum. There is no other word for it. Scum. I hope you die of rectal dystrophy.

 

[Sigurd]

You're a twat, a flaming fucktard. Go home and fuck your brother.

Here we go for a little detailed info: The revelations that US troops have tortured and murdered Iraqi prisoners has shocked and concerned many people around the world. However, the revelations really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

American atrocities started when the nation was first formed with the genocide against Native Americans and torture has been an integral but mostly secret part of US policy since the second world war. After the war the US protected the worst Nazis so that it could learn from them and adopt their torture techniques.

After the CIA was officially formed it made torture part of its policy and exported its use around the world. In 1953 the CIA started Operation Phoenix, a program of torture and murder of civilians in Vietnam. Around the same time the US overthrew Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in power. The CIA created, trained and managed Iran's dreaded SAVAK secret police which tortured and murdered countless people. After the country of Chile dared to embrace democracy and elect a President not chosen by the US, the US was quick to install the brutal dictator Pinochet who tortured and murdered tens of thousands. CIA controlled death squads in Central America brutally tortured and murdered over 200,000 people during the 80's. Millions of others have been killed around the world as a direct result of US policy.

Torture was widely taught in the US School of the Americas to people who came to be known as some of the world's most monstrous violators of human rights. Amnesty International cites the United States as the largest international supplier of electro-shock weapons to governments that practice electro-shock torture. $3 million worth of electro-shock devices were sold to Saudi Arabia in 1990.

However, it is not only the CIA & military that has been guilty of conducting torture. The Chicago police department used brutal torture techniques against non-white prisoners up until the mid 80's. Throughout the US prison system, torture and rape are routine. In fact, the situation has been so bad that in 2000 the UN delivered a severe public rebuke to the United States for its record on preventing torture and degrading punishment. Amnesty International has repeatedly denounced U.S. police forces for "a
pattern of unchecked excessive force amounting to torture."

The so-called 'War on Terror' is being used to create a culture of brutality from the highest level. Mass media has suggested that torture is necessary to protect American lives. The January 2001 cover of The Atlantic Monthly asked in large print, "MUST WE TORTURE?" Terrorism analyst Bruce Hoffman from Rand Corporation suggested that torture is necessary to protect American interests. It has been suggested by many Americans that torture be legalized.

Didn't want to have to do that but you made me, fucktards

 

[Cdr]

Such a tragic way for a thread intended to remember those who died for our country 60 years ago to develop.

Yup, I foresaw and warned against it - did people listen? Nope

Shoulda just ignored him in the first place and let the thread continue as it was originally intended to - a way for us (the grateful) to pay our last respects to all the men who fought, and especially to those who gave their lives.

May we never forget.

 

[Bodhi]

Sigurd, I read your post and I see a personal attack and a lot of unsustantiated bullshit. I know I'm playing with a banning here, but I think it's time to bring an old friend of mine out of retirement one last time.




**** the fuck off and die of aids you mange infested shitebag.





With knobs on.

 

[Cdr]

**** the fuck off and die of aids you mange infested shitebag.





With knobs on.

Seconded.

 

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, I read your post and I see a personal attack and a lot of unsustantiated bullshit. I know I'm playing with a banning here, but I think it's time to bring an old friend of mine out of retirement one last time.




**** the fuck off and die of aids you mange infested shitebag.





With knobs on.

I know you like your "hardman" image etc., but..

 

[Bodhi]

But..........


Come on lad spit it out.



(What you were about to say, not your daddy's love instrument. I'm sure he's enjoying it)

 

[fatbusinessman]

I think that's about as close to justified as telling someone to foad can be...

...but you're still likely to get banned

 

[SoWat]

Ban Bodhi for an hour for the CTFOADOA thing.
Ban Sigurd for life for quoting an article from Pravda.


Pravda ffs! That well known freedom loving newspaper from the 'ever so nice and would never tell a lie' former Soviet Union.

 

[Sigurd]

But..........


Come on lad spit it out.



(What you were about to say, not your daddy's love instrument. I'm sure he's enjoying it)

 

[Driwen]

You're a twat, a flaming fucktard. Go home and fuck your brother.

Here we go for a little detailed info: The revelations that US troops have tortured and murdered Iraqi prisoners has shocked and concerned many people around the world. However, the revelations really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

not gonna read all of that, unless you have some actual proof. Not talking about the police brutatility, but the CIA shit. Also the worst Nazi's have stood trail/are dead?


edit: just copy+paste this link http://ileet.net/images/delldude.jpg for sigurds pic.

 

[Athena]

I’m just wondering with the amount of long posts in this thread where on earth you people find the time.

Sigurd I’m afraid to say nobody really likes you around here. You have little and nothing of interest to say.

Oh and btw... How off topic did this thread become??

 

[Driwen]

Oh and btw... How off topic did this thread become??

there is a copy thread for the on topic discussion, so I just went and discussed the off topic stuff in here. Allthough it seemed to have been useless as Sigurd wont actually refute anything.

 

[Athena]

I forgot to say Sigurd. Please go and crawl back under your rock at No. 8 Mile Road

(god I love that insult)

 

[Sigurd]

I forgot to say Sigurd. Please go and crawl back under your rock at No. 8 Mile Road

(god I love that insult)

I found a pic of you! But it appears you're a...

 

[Driwen]

I found a pic of you! But it appears you're a... ttp://ileet.net/images/dumbbitch.jpg

you do know ileet doesnt allow hotlinking right? (in other words we are only seeing an error image)

 

[Sigurd]

Couldn't really care less

 

[Bodhi]

I found a pic of you! But it appears you're a...

Sigurd summed up in one post. Tries to be really clever, but ends up looking like a spastic.

Played.

 

[mr.Blacky]

You're a twat, a flaming fucktard. Go home and fuck your brother.

Here we go for a little detailed info: The revelations that US troops have tortured and murdered Iraqi prisoners has shocked and concerned many people around the world. However, the revelations really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

American atrocities started when the nation was first formed with the genocide against Native Americans and torture has been an integral but mostly secret part of US policy since the second world war. After the war the US protected the worst Nazis so that it could learn from them and adopt their torture techniques.

After the CIA was officially formed it made torture part of its policy and exported its use around the world. In 1953 the CIA started Operation Phoenix, a program of torture and murder of civilians in Vietnam. Around the same time the US overthrew Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in power. The CIA created, trained and managed Iran's dreaded SAVAK secret police which tortured and murdered countless people. After the country of Chile dared to embrace democracy and elect a President not chosen by the US, the US was quick to install the brutal dictator Pinochet who tortured and murdered tens of thousands. CIA controlled death squads in Central America brutally tortured and murdered over 200,000 people during the 80's. Millions of others have been killed around the world as a direct result of US policy.

Torture was widely taught in the US School of the Americas to people who came to be known as some of the world's most monstrous violators of human rights. Amnesty International cites the United States as the largest international supplier of electro-shock weapons to governments that practice electro-shock torture. $3 million worth of electro-shock devices were sold to Saudi Arabia in 1990.

However, it is not only the CIA & military that has been guilty of conducting torture. The Chicago police department used brutal torture techniques against non-white prisoners up until the mid 80's. Throughout the US prison system, torture and rape are routine. In fact, the situation has been so bad that in 2000 the UN delivered a severe public rebuke to the United States for its record on preventing torture and degrading punishment. Amnesty International has repeatedly denounced U.S. police forces for "a
pattern of unchecked excessive force amounting to torture."

The so-called 'War on Terror' is being used to create a culture of brutality from the highest level. Mass media has suggested that torture is necessary to protect American lives. The January 2001 cover of The Atlantic Monthly asked in large print, "MUST WE TORTURE?" Terrorism analyst Bruce Hoffman from Rand Corporation suggested that torture is necessary to protect American interests. It has been suggested by many Americans that torture be legalized.

Didn't want to have to do that but you made me, fucktards

HAHAHA so many dumb things in this post.
Okay the USA put the Shah into power, hmmmm rofl you do realise that Persia was a monarchy? And that the Mulah's (sp?) didn't like the fact that a) he was moving the country too fast for their liking and b) the shah court was corrupt like hell and that the people didn't like it?
Yes the USA sent their envoy to Khomenie and that envoy was to trusty to believe him, so they didn't stop Khomenie. Oh they did the training of Savak (sp?) and they were mean bastards but they were not commanded by the USA.
As for operation Phoenix you might want to really research it. Yes it was a dirty war and most likely they shouldn't have been there. But saying the USA just were the bad guys and the VC and the NVA being the good guys is so black&white that I can't really believe that you believe that. A little story about how nice the NVA were, blowing up a hospital filled with Vietnamese sick caus they were poluted with Americanism.

About torture devises who is to be blamed more? the suplier or the user?

 

[Athena]

Sigurd if you are going to insult me then at least get it right. You are just making yourself look stupid. Go and start the backwards evolutionary process will you.