The invasion of Normandy

[leggy]

Please stop before Bodhi, Xane and anyone else with a brain ...

Does anyone else see the contradiction here?















wub j00 bodhs

 

[Will]

Magically drawn to the thread by the report post button, Will casts an eye over the it.

Giggling slightly, Will tries to decide if he should smack various people upside the head. He realises that no-one is innocent, and the forum appears to be self-moderating. What a lovely day it is.

He considers closing the thread, but he is very amused by the discussion, and leaves it to continue.

 

[Whipped]

Sigard has the most interesting posts I've seen in a long time.

I don't agree with anything he says, but he sure seems to believe it. Something there is nothing wrong with. Maybe he's right and I'm wrong (Probably not), but that's what I love about freedom of speech.

Go democracy!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

The media... I hate to break this to you... doesn't always tell you, or show you the truth, or the whole truth, and sometimes... yes this comes as a shock I know... the media even lies to you! Now couple this with the fact that a lot of the media is greatly "influenced" by various governments, and that governments don't wish certain details to be revealed - using this evidence we can establish some form of reason behind your inability to focus on the truth of Sigurd's human rights atrocities. They aren't widely known, or spoken about. Sigurd would like to forget them, those that he even knows about. But, my poor, blind friend - I can assure you that these things have happened. At the centre of Sigurd lies a core of rotten deciet, lies, butchery, murder, rape and all the worse aspects of human nature. You say conspiracy theories - and scoff; this is exactly Sigurd and media want from people. The amount of women and children who have died at Sigurd's hands, often after being raped and tortured would shock even you, my neo-nazi friend, but of course, the public doesn't know just how many have died. The instances I've heard of are bad enough but I don't presume they are the only ones. And yet, Sigurd is allowed on these forums ? A sumblime poster, a leader for us all to look up upon? Or perhaps a bully, a murderer, a rapist, and a supressor of forum sanity.







Show me your eveidence first.

You misspelled evidence.

Go democracy!!

Go democrazy!!

 

[Jupitus]

You misspelled evidence.

You misspelt 'misspelt'.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You misspelt 'misspelt'.

I know :kissit:

 

[Wazzerphuk]

My personal recommendation to Sigurd:

Try listening to Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot. Hopefully you will see you are not the only one stupidly angry at everything for no reason, and either fuck off to the cellars and join them, or realise what a tit you're behaving like.

I don't know if you are, but you're coming across like an angst-ridden teen looking for an excuse to lash out and vent your anger at the world.

 

[Catsby]

Catsby wonders if anyone has some Sigurd repellent spray.

But Catsby believes that Sigurd is right, you are all NAZIs because you do not allow Sigurd to have his way.
Catsby pities poor frightened and angry Sigurd. :touch:

 

[Insane]

Try listening to Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot. Hopefully you will see you are not the only one stupidly angry at everything for no reason

hey! they arnt stupidly angry!


they are just stupid

 

[constanze]

sgiurd as you see the usa media propaganda works

bush is ofc the best president in the wordl and would never start wars becouse of economic reasons

i am just wondering why the film from Micheal Moore Fahrenheit 911 dont found a publisher yet -> Oh yes new elections this year in usa and this film is anti propaganda but he won a price in Canne....

atm the problem is the nazis invented the media propaganda
and the usa perfected it...

and btw if you refer your opinion to tv shows/dokus/films
the history is written by the winners and censorship is everywhere
Ruport Murdoch, Bellusconi etc etc

or do you really think CNN and all those Hollywood films are not subjectiv and not censored?????

btw Catsby you think roleplaying in a political discussion is a good idea???

 

[DaGaffer]

sgiurd as you see the usa media propaganda works

bush is ofc the best president in the wordl and would never start wars becouse of economic reasons

i am just wondering why the film from Micheal Moore Fahrenheit 911 dont found a publisher yet -> Oh yes new elections this year in usa and this film is anti propaganda but he won a price in Canne....

atm the problem is the nazis invented the media propaganda
and the usa perfected it...

and btw if you refer your opinion to tv shows/dokus/films
the history is written by the winners and censorship is everywhere
Ruport Murdoch, Bellusconi etc etc

or do you really think CNN and all those Hollywood films are not subjectiv and not censored?????

btw Catsby you think roleplaying in a political discussion is a good idea???

WTF has any of this got to do with Sigurd's "All Americans are wankers/Nazis" line? I don't think anyone was saying they thought the sun shines out of dubya's arse; this thread was about being thankful to the Allied war dead before Sigurd highjacked it with his "Amerika is teh Evul" tirade.

Whatever you think of America's current adventurism, tarring a nation of 300-odd million with the same brush is a dickhead attitude. Oh, and the Nazis didn't 'invent' propaganda; modern propoganda is largely a British Empire invention.

 

[Deacan]

Aww shame, seems this thread has gone into the internal void of someone am not sure of.

Well was a good read, till about page 4

 

[dysfunction]

I don't care what people think, to be honest - call me a left wing twat or whatever you want, but at least try to open your mind to reason, and see that this country so many of you blindly support is evil at its very core, fanatical, facist and will stop at nothing to achieve its goals (September 11th was most likely contrived by the american government) so try, really try to consider just WHY people hate america so.

I have a very open mind. But I think you have have been blinded by your hatred.
I may have listened to what you had to say but when you come up with total crap like 9/11 was contrived by the american Government I know you are completely insane.


Hopefully one day you will realise all your hatred has distorted any reasonable thought processes you may have.

You have lost all credibility by coming up with distorted views such as this. Whatever you say now is meaningless.

 

[constanze]

the nazis invented the propaganda by using new media types

radio and tv that was my point

 

[Bodhi]

Bush started the war for economic reasons did he? I assume it was to gain greater control of the supply of oil coming out of Iraq? If that's the case how come the United States is getting just as shafted by the high price of crude oil as we are? If anything, the war in Iraq has been a terrible economic decision for the Western powers, anyone who entertains any ideas to the contrary has clearly been reading the Daily Mail for too long.

The U.S government created the 9/11 disaster? You have any credible proof of this? didn't think so. If anything it's beginning to look like 9/11 was not down to the failings of the Bush administration, but of his predecessor.

Leggy - i'd be offended if your ass wasn't so damn poundable



Oh and I forgot.





SIEG HEIL!

 

[Sigurd]

Some people are in for one big fucking shock... of course Bush didn't set up September 11, not directly - he's too thick - Cheney and friends would have seen to that. Now I don't suppose any of you remember but just before September 11 there were some big problems in the world arena, problems caused by Bush. There was the spy plane incident, and of course the whole "star wars defence system" - the former pissed off China, the latter pissed off most of the rest of the world. Bush, america, and the world in general was in rather a lot of trouble if these blunders continued... and then September 11 happened, and it was all forgotten. The world was "united" in its war on terrorism, and if it wasn't focussing on carpet bombing civili- er, terrorist cities, then it was strongly opposinig it. Bush's little blunders were largely forgotten. Convienient? Or contrived? Think what you want, I know that the government of this country have no morals to speak of.

Evidently I'm too blinded by hatred to type a sentence out though

Like it or not, these are my views and I don't give a crap what anyone thinks about them - threatening me isn't really going to get you anywhere either I'm afraid. I don't hate all americans - I just hate the country, everything it stands for and its corrupt government and morals. The people I'll decide for myself, I know a few seemingly decent americans, and a lot of lunatics who blindly follow bush into the future, and are even more right wing than most of you...

Anyway, like I said, if you're so willing to confront me or my views start a new thread, as apparantly caring for the fate of the human race constitutes a lack of respect in this one.

 

[DaGaffer]

Bush started the war for economic reasons did he? I assume it was to gain greater control of the supply of oil coming out of Iraq? If that's the case how come the United States is getting just as shafted by the high price of crude oil as we are? If anything, the war in Iraq has been a terrible economic decision for the Western powers, anyone who entertains any ideas to the contrary has clearly been reading the Daily Mail for too long.

The U.S government created the 9/11 disaster? You have any credible proof of this? didn't think so. If anything it's beginning to look like 9/11 was not down to the failings of the Bush administration, but of his predecessor.

Let's not go too far defending the Americans here. Bush probably did invade Iraq for economic reasons (at least partially), he is, after all, Texan. Just because they f*cked it up doesn't mean that wasn't part of the intention. WMD was an excuse, and a bollocks one at that, which leaves behind the real reasons; getting a middle-east client state as a counter-weight to Saudi and Iran, and getting the hell out of Saudi to defuse some of Al-Qaida's war aims. In a way, I hope the Americans' agenda in the middle-east are pragmatic and economic, because if Dubya really thinks you impose democracy at the end of bayonet on people who've never had it and have no cultural framework for it, then he really is nuts.

 

[Vae]

Every post Sigurd makes just increases my opinion that he's an idiot with a closed mind blindly hating the US, and subscribing to conspiracy theories, while accusing other people of being the closed minds

Most of the people on here appear, from their posts, to be reasonable and open minded. Some might be right wing as Sigurd suggests (for some reason Bodhi springs to mind here ) , though far from being Nazis, but the majority of views appear to be balanced and middle of the road.

But then again maybe I've been utterly brainwashed by the US propaganda machine and am now incapable of thinking for myself and forming my own opinions from the facts rather than the hyperbole

 

[Whipped]

and then September 11 happened, and it was all forgotten

The media forgot about it, but I doubt any of the goverments involved in the problems before 9/11 forgot about it.

 

[Whipped]

But then again maybe I've been utterly brainwashed by the US propaganda machine and am now incapable of thinking for myself and forming my own opinions from the facts rather than the hyperbole

If you had a MaccyD's in your hand when you wrote that then you may be right

 

[Vae]

If you had a MaccyD's in your hand when you wrote that then you may be right

<Shudder> Nah I rarely eat in fast food outlets except if I really need something to eat in a hurry.

Watch Supersize me and then try facing a MaccyD again...
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=19865

 

[Catsby]

btw Catsby you think roleplaying in a political discussion is a good idea???

Catsby points out to constanze that this is about as far from a political discussion as can be. Catsby smothers contanze's face in the steaming pile of shit fabricated allegations made by Sigurd and his fanboys.
Catsby beats contanze around the head with a bag of misposted hatred placed in this threat by Sigurd.
Catsby runs contanze over with a truck full of "this thread has been reduced to a exhibition of Sigurds immaturity and hatred".

Catsby strongly feels that you could release rabid moon rats in this thread, and it's integrity would not be affected, nor it's value decreased.

 

[Driwen]

Bodhi cant be a nazi as he believes in personal freedom (atleast most right wings do and that means they arent fascists).

And just because the timing of 9/11 was sort of nice (it would probably have been better for bush if it happened even sooner (that is if he had planned it)). However goverments always have some kind of problems around them and after some time there is always something that you can use to take off the focuss from it.
Now the only thing bush's goverment could have done about 9/11 was either stop it or not. Such an act probably takes a few years of planning and training and bush was just in goverment for 9 months (assuming US president starts the job at january), so if an US goverment had planned this it was Clinton not Bush.
Now assuming no US president would want to risk getting caught in this, the only thing Bush or Clinton could have done to help this is allow them to go on. However that does mean you will have to shut up alot of people in the cia and fbi who know something is going to happen and wont talk to the press or the parlement.
Besides that it could blow up in Bush's face and Bush was just elected so a schandale at the start wont be really remembered at the next election? So I really doubt either Clintons or Bush's goverment had anything to do with it.

 

[Wij]

OMG m8s !!!!

The US givernment woz like having problem\z wiv the taxes and vot0rsz in like 1939 so they used their mad-l337-spy-skillz to make Hilter ivade teh Poland !!!

cos thes no evidence cos of teh meedia being puppetz of teh Amerikan propogondo mashine !!!!!






Personally I'd rather this thread just did a little to say how much we owe to ALL the allied soldiers who fought and died more bravely then any of us could ever do. But you can't have everything you want.

 

[Jupitus]

Personally I'd rather this thread just did a little to say how much we owe to ALL the allied soldiers who fought and died more bravely then any of us could ever do. But you can't have everything you want.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=19949

 

[mr.Blacky]

There was the spy plane incident, and of course the whole "star wars defence system" - the former pissed off China, the latter pissed off most of the rest of the world.

Wow you have read the head lines...
Let me tell you something about the spy plane incident. A chinese mig hit an american recon plane. Then the recon plane had to land on a chinese airport. The chinese offered to give the plane back it after they had examined the plane.
Now lets say it was used for spying would you like the other side to know what you can do? No offcourse not.
So lets look at it again who is pissing off who again?

Now lets look at the star wars thing. You do realise that it would only have limited capabilities? No missile system can stop a determined attacked, yet it can stop a simple attack from 1 rocket. China and Russia have more then one nuclear weapon on their missiles (nor would it be able to stop a submarine launch). Also can I point out that Russia has a system to stop incoming missiles?



I would like to say thanks to the people who fought against nazism and facism, the world would look a whole lot less good then it does now.

 

[Stazbumpa]

I love the way this Sigurd character just blindly sticks to his guns despite the evidence of history. Its like he says "These are my views so ner" and then sticks fingers in his ears and hums loudly when anyone dares to question his set in concrete opinions.
America is not evil, any more than we are for fucks sake. As pointed out earlier, how can a country that has a free press, practises and encourages freedom of speech to the point of it being painful, is democratically elected BY THE FUCKING PEOPLE (Florida fiasco notwithstanding), promotes democracy and freedom around the world, provides billions of dollars in aid to foreign countries and can actually impeach its own president (unlike France I might add ) be evil?

A good advert for fascism would be pre war Iraq, the Taliban's Afghanistan and Osama's and his band of merry men. Did we conveniently foget that?

Bush is by far not the best, but at least he did something, instead of sit and fucking pontificate like the rest of Europe does. Don't like Blair either, but I got respect for him having the balls to act as well. How easy would it have been to do nothing?

And of course oil had a part in the war. Why shouldn't it? We need the fucker, so why not get rid of a murdering dictator and setup some nicer people to do business with in the process?
I'd watch Saudi personally, coz Al Quaida has its sights on overthrowing them and if terr's get the oil there then western life as we know it will be beyond fucked.

Fucks sake Sigurd, get a clue.


PS: Catsby you're fucking mental, but I like you.

 

[Sigurd]

How can you produce evidence for cover ups?

That country only has an illusion of democracy, and we're heading down the same path. I disregard history? History has showed us what happens to superpowers, they either fade away or come crashing down, and that will happen to america sooner or later. What scares me is that america would happily take the world with them. I think, some of you really need to get a clue

 

[Stazbumpa]

Eh? What? Hang on...... are you for real? You're making this up aren't you? How in the name of fucking sanity can a country that has had a Bill of Rights since 1791 be an "illusion of democracy"?? Are you seriously suggesting that they pretend to exercise democracy while the entire planet is watching them?

And we're heading down the same path? You're not just an obnoxious uneducated cretin, you're fucking mad as well mate.
There have been 2 some would say 3 super powers. USA, Russia and the third possibly being China. Of the 3, the USA and China still stand. Russia collapsed because of the system and the people wanting change.
But its gradually working its way back onto its feet.
China has nearly embraced free trade and is now a commie state that trades like a democratic one.

If you mean further back into history, like the British Empire or even Roman Empire for example, well we gave the countries back after WW2 and the Romans started out as the Roman Rebublic in 509 BC before it became the Roman Empire under Caeser Augustus somewhere between 50 and 25 BC. It "fell", or at least the last Emperor in Rome was deposed in 476 AD NEARLY 1000 FUCKING YEARS LATER!!
And even then it continued as something else anyway (the Byzantine Empire) until Constaninople was sacked by the Turks in 1453.

I fail to see the validity of your argument. I also fail to see why I'm arguing with a tosser who refuses to accept the evidence of his own eyes.

 

[Driwen]

How can you produce evidence for cover ups?

That country only has an illusion of democracy, and we're heading down the same path. I disregard history? History has showed us what happens to superpowers, they either fade away or come crashing down, and that will happen to america sooner or later. What scares me is that america would happily take the world with them. I think, some of you really need to get a clue

uhm americas power is fading away and they cant really stop it. USA's economical influence on the world is becoming less every year and in the end thats where a countries power lays. US has a strong military, but they wont use it against Europe/India/China/Russia/Japan so it isnt that important when you look at superpowers.
So I really doubt the USA will come crashing down, but if it does it will drag everyone down because of economical influences as the world looses an important player in the economical world, which is another reason why other countries wont let that happen.

You cant check on history about superpowers as never in history was there so much communication and trade between countries as there is now. Off course no country can stay on top for ever, as other countries will work harder to catch up and overtake the superpower as they are greedier to become the superpower.
However superpowers in this century that lasted for some time (unlike hitlers germany) have all just become less important, but are still important countries (uk, france, russia as examples).

And the thing is with your story about the cover up is that it doesnt make any sense. Sure Bush used 9/11, he didnt have to go to war against terrorrists. However for himself or his goverment to set it up than they would have to set up a plan in 3 months time that was already running for some time. I am guessing that something as big as 9/11 actually takes atleast 2 years of planning/getting people trained and on the right spot.
So as I said Bush cant have planned it, he might have stopped the fbi/cia from stopping Al Qaeda as he thought he could use it. However even that is unlikely as I dont think he needed a break that badly nor a "theme" for his period of rule or atleast not yet. Sure it helped him become popular and possibly re elected now, but that hardly means that he actually set it up.