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Amadon
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By your logic any RvR that is not prime time provides justification for an early morning relic raid, or do you arbitrarily decide to draw a line where it suits you for the time being?
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whhhhhhine
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Radghast
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Good RR's take planning to suceed, Night RR's denote either a lack of planning "im bored and we have a zerg, wanna take a relic?" or the raid was planned for that time period and thus takeing the defenders out of the equation.
With keeps it's a diffrent situation, Crim/behnn have been under constant (pretty much) threat for the past few days and we have been actively trying to retake it using diffrent methods during that time. Ofcourse none of these were succesful, causing much frustration amongst the hib ranks i admit. So the fact that a few hibs decided to take advantage of youre lack of defense...for whatever reason, is fairly easy to understand. Albs may not like it, but i don't think those hibs really considered that.
gonna be alot of hypocrisy soon when albs take it back at a similar time and hibs flame/whine them back...but such is life,
im sure albs will try there best to get it back tonight anyhow..cya then
With keeps it's a diffrent situation, Crim/behnn have been under constant (pretty much) threat for the past few days and we have been actively trying to retake it using diffrent methods during that time. Ofcourse none of these were succesful, causing much frustration amongst the hib ranks i admit. So the fact that a few hibs decided to take advantage of youre lack of defense...for whatever reason, is fairly easy to understand. Albs may not like it, but i don't think those hibs really considered that.
gonna be alot of hypocrisy soon when albs take it back at a similar time and hibs flame/whine them back...but such is life,
im sure albs will try there best to get it back tonight anyhow..cya then
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old.Tzeentch
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what the fuck is wrong with taking a keep.. <not a relic> at night?
especially a keep that virtually any other time will have in excess of 80 people, and sometimes over 120 people, defending?
are you guys fucking dumb?
you wanna organise a realm event?
how about you try to take crim when we have 80 hibs inside, and tell me how cool it is.
yes, fighting other players is better than npcs, but going back over and over to face certain death, and knowing this before you even leave ligen is kinda fucking stupid.
'yeah lets attack crim!11111111'
even when the number of attackers is less than the number of defenders..
im sorry, but stop being so bias, its common sense, switch the situation around and you will see.
oh and hi to auzzie, the reroll bandwagon whiner.
especially a keep that virtually any other time will have in excess of 80 people, and sometimes over 120 people, defending?
are you guys fucking dumb?
you wanna organise a realm event?
how about you try to take crim when we have 80 hibs inside, and tell me how cool it is.
yes, fighting other players is better than npcs, but going back over and over to face certain death, and knowing this before you even leave ligen is kinda fucking stupid.
'yeah lets attack crim!11111111'
even when the number of attackers is less than the number of defenders..
im sorry, but stop being so bias, its common sense, switch the situation around and you will see.
oh and hi to auzzie, the reroll bandwagon whiner.
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Gahldir
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Yeah, cuz we all know a normal keep is worth so much more by prestige etc etc then some silly relic
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Gahldir
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stupic excuses? well... if you think it's easy to assemble your numbers defending crim and then some cuz you have the advantage from defending when we have about 20% of the server population atm then I guess you are right...
replyed to your posts in wrong order but who cares
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Belomar
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There were quite a lot of Hibs inside Bolg when we tried it yesterday (repeatedly, I think, even if I only attended one such attempt). Definitely looked like 80+ when you eventually came out and kicked the living daylight out of us (didn't help that some 2-3 FGs of Mids hit us in the back first). Keep defense or keep assault, I like em both.
But yes, retaking keeps during the night is actually common sense. Notice how I said that the Hibs finally "wisened up" in my original post.
On a related note, I bet a lot of mana Mentalists are getting quite excited about all the potential for keep defense they anticipate for tonight. I know I would be.
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seeing ghosts again retard?
which whine? like i care you took crim back.
Crim is gonna be 99% for albs in the next months
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Gahldir
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Originally posted by Belomar
There were quite a lot of Hibs inside Bolg when we tried it yesterday (repeatedly, I think, even if I only attended one such attempt). Definitely looked like 80+ when you eventually came out and kicked the living daylight out of us (didn't help that some 2-3 FGs of Mids hit us in the back first). Keep defense or keep assault, I like em both.
But yes, retaking keeps during the night is actually common sense. Notice how I said that the Hibs finally "wisened up" in my original post.
On a related note, I bet a lot of mana Mentalists are getting quite excited about all the potential for keep defense they anticipate for tonight. I know I would be.
wasn't 80 hibs at Bolg when I was there. on the other hand it wasn't 80 albs either. was kinda late (23-24 gmt) when I was there. but that scenario sounds very familiar with the attacks on crim.
and yes, they are. atleast they who I know
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Gahldir
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Originally posted by Aussie-
Crim is gonna be 99% for albs in the next months
think crim has been in hib hands more then 8h today alone. so much for that theory
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old.Tzeentch
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oh hi ozzie mistar.whine 24/7 when he dies, blames it on class/realm blah blah
and the 1 second he gets something right
its smiles all the way
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in reply to belomar, yeah there was a good number of hibs defending bolg, but factor in that you can all transfer and be back at bolg 3mins later.. and your rez sick infils dont care and just go suicidal in the keep, and we only have so much wood to repair..
i would say yes, i wouldnt mind attacking a defended keep, but a CS is a huge pain in the arse to have in your realm.. any idiot can go die at the top of the keep, or anywhere in the realm after dropping a few AEs and just go back in with transfer..
this is the big difference, a keep can be sieged for days and all it comes down to is how many each side can bring.
and the 1 second he gets something right
its smiles all the way
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in reply to belomar, yeah there was a good number of hibs defending bolg, but factor in that you can all transfer and be back at bolg 3mins later.. and your rez sick infils dont care and just go suicidal in the keep, and we only have so much wood to repair..
i would say yes, i wouldnt mind attacking a defended keep, but a CS is a huge pain in the arse to have in your realm.. any idiot can go die at the top of the keep, or anywhere in the realm after dropping a few AEs and just go back in with transfer..
this is the big difference, a keep can be sieged for days and all it comes down to is how many each side can bring.
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Danya
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I would be but by the time I'm home from work the albs tend to have taken it. Also atm I find Caer Sidi more interesting than running around Breifine in zerg-lag.Originally posted by Belomar
On a related note, I bet a lot of mana Mentalists are getting quite excited about all the potential for keep defense they anticipate for tonight. I know I would be.
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noaim
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Albs recently failed a saturday morning RR with 200+ people in it.
Why do you whine about a nightly retake of a normal keep?
Why do you whine about a nightly retake of a normal keep?
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Exiled
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Originally posted by Aussie-
seeing ghosts again retard?
which whine? like i care you took crim back.
Crim is gonna be 99% for albs in the next months
come and try it, you dont have a CS up so 80% of ppl wont come
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congin
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Please! this thread is completly worthless... taking a keep in the night is just as fair as defending a keep with 150 ppl + CS, ok?
Be happy you had crim for 3 days, that's pretty long imo... albs just whine whatever the other realms do or say (btw this is the first time i whine on the BW forums )
Be happy you had crim for 3 days, that's pretty long imo... albs just whine whatever the other realms do or say (btw this is the first time i whine on the BW forums
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Belomar
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Now this is where the difference between any old caster and a Professional Coward<tm> like a matter Cabalist comes in. A normal caster will just run up and try to land as many AoE nukes that is humanly possible before he is nuked to death, whereas a sneaky Prof. Coward<tm> (i.e. matter Cabalist) will run in under the cover of Alb attackers, cast his AoE, and be out just as fast, sitting at the base of the hill raking in RPs.
There is a reason I have Long Wind 2, and thinking about 3.
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Dinfar
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Originally posted by Aussie-
seeing ghosts again retard?
which whine? like i care you took crim back.
Crim is gonna be 99% for albs in the next months
ALL YOUR POSTS ARE BELONG TO RETARD!!
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Sharp Thing
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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Ah well, just typical Hib tactics.
But we will get our Corpse Summoner again... I will make sure of it. Maybe we will go to Midgard this time... they come out in force atleast... not some overpowered scared pussies they are
They are overpowered though, just overpowered asses, not pussies
And if we would take a keep from Mids, they would reclaim it at 5:30 am on a monday morning... during their "prime time"
Yeah Albs, there were atleast 5 Albs on the server man, that is prime time... blablalbla, no we are not cheap asses for taking relics at 9 am on a saturday blablalbala....
Regards, Glottis
albs did the first non-primetime raid so stfu
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Lets cut the whining and cut the hippocracy and bring on night warfare then. Please no more fine lines, differences or bullshit from you. It's always smartest to attack when it's least defended, clearly as you've said anything else is stupid and futile, so stfu in the future okay?
The arguments from Hibs here have been:
It's okay to take keeps late at night but not relics.
It's okay to take a keep at night because you failed at day.
It's okay to take a keep at night because you believe you would have failed at day.
It's okay to take the keep at night because it's yours originally.
It's okay to take the keep at night because you can take it back so easily.
It's okay to take a keep at night but not a relic because a defended keep is no fun for the attackers but a defended relic keep is fun for the defenders (my personal favourite).
It's okay to take Crimthainn late at night because you usually take Cruachon (and we whine when you do).
Albs started it.
Well they are all noted and remembered.
The arguments from Hibs here have been:
It's okay to take keeps late at night but not relics.
It's okay to take a keep at night because you failed at day.
It's okay to take a keep at night because you believe you would have failed at day.
It's okay to take the keep at night because it's yours originally.
It's okay to take the keep at night because you can take it back so easily.
It's okay to take a keep at night but not a relic because a defended keep is no fun for the attackers but a defended relic keep is fun for the defenders (my personal favourite).
It's okay to take Crimthainn late at night because you usually take Cruachon (and we whine when you do).
Albs started it.
Well they are all noted and remembered.
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saltymcpepper
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glad weve got that all sorted now
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old.Tzeentch
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ROLLEYES:::
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old.chipper
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:wall:
keeps have been taken at night since the begining of the game so hush
with 120 defenders during primetime what would u suggest keep feeding albs rp n00b
relics give a clear bonus to a realm, keeps dont imo your just pissed you lost the CS
it has long been understood among all realms that night time relic raids are lame dont remember anythin been said about keeps hib took those keeps back out of desperation at such an early hour its a matter of numbers alb has more we cant win against a defended keep with a CS
oh and arent u gonna look a twat when albs do the same.
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sigh, who let the buffbot out !
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RAHAHAHA
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Trinilim
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Originally posted by Radghast
well after 2 days of trying..and failing in prime time, guess some saw this as the only option. Nothing wrong with this btw, suprised youre alb zerg wasnt still in the keep.
Hibs, can we plz hold onto it this time?
this coming from the realm that flames others for raiding at night.
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Trinilim
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/agree 100%
rest of you hibbies are hyporcrits.
nuff said.
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Dinfar
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cry me a river
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Tigerius
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And here I went thinking I just said no more excuses just full night warfare, so why would I look a twat when we do just that?
I honestly have gotten used to nighttime raiding on both sides, all I want here is for it to be either mutually accepted and not whined at, or not conducted. You can't both take the the cookie and whine at it.
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i dont care when keeps fall relics are different taking keeps is summat ya can do on a night time to get DF or cos theres little RvR i ahve no probs with that
taking a relic directly effects the game i would think ppl would have the balls to attempt some thing as big as a relic raid at reasonable hours, giving the other realm a chance to defend. im not sayin i expect them to this game is 24/7 and i really would have no ground to whine about it. how ever relics are the main challenge of the game if u get em all at late hours with little opposisition imo you have accomplished nothing but if you really are that sad that you feel you have to take keeps and relics at night time ALL the time well good luck. alb have proven there a formidable enemy when they are all together and people would just lose respect if they went back to the night time raids there infamous for ( and yes they did do alot of em cos i used to be an alb and go with them)
basically put yourself in hibs shoes and look at it from our point of view you lose 3 keeps 2 have CS in them ALL your attempts at recapturing them fail, hmorale starts to drop ppl stop going rvr because they get zerged all the time.
maybe you wouldnt go on a nighttime/early morning raid tigerious but i guarntee other albs would have if the situation had been reversed and these arent excuses there facts.
taking a relic directly effects the game i would think ppl would have the balls to attempt some thing as big as a relic raid at reasonable hours, giving the other realm a chance to defend. im not sayin i expect them to this game is 24/7 and i really would have no ground to whine about it. how ever relics are the main challenge of the game if u get em all at late hours with little opposisition imo you have accomplished nothing but if you really are that sad that you feel you have to take keeps and relics at night time ALL the time well good luck. alb have proven there a formidable enemy when they are all together and people would just lose respect if they went back to the night time raids there infamous for ( and yes they did do alot of em cos i used to be an alb and go with them)
basically put yourself in hibs shoes and look at it from our point of view you lose 3 keeps 2 have CS in them ALL your attempts at recapturing them fail, hmorale starts to drop ppl stop going rvr because they get zerged all the time.
maybe you wouldnt go on a nighttime/early morning raid tigerious but i guarntee other albs would have if the situation had been reversed and these arent excuses there facts.
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Trinilim
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I would but I don't think furbies know how to swim... ooo maybe that's a good thing!