Politics The General Election 2015

Who will you vote for?!

  • Green Party

    Votes: 7 11.1%
  • Monster Raving Loony Party

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 21 33.3%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 6 9.5%
  • United Kingdom Independence Party

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • British National Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Liberal Democrats Party

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • None

    Votes: 10 15.9%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 7.9%

  • Total voters
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Talivar

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Not sure how true but read earlier the Queen got a 7% payrise for next year in todays review
 

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Contractors sell a service. They are not employed. It's not the same and shouldn't be taxed the same. Clients can decide to terminate with next to no notice. They have to cover their own holiday and sickness pay. They have to cover their own pensions. They have none of the usual workplace rights.
 

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Contractors sell a service. They are not employed. It's not the same and shouldn't be taxed the same. Clients can decide to terminate with next to no notice. They have to cover their own holiday and sickness pay. They have to cover their own pensions. They have none of the usual workplace rights.

But as a result they charge an absolute fortune?
 

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Like I said, £500/day for my very skilled friend, or £2500/day for exactly the same if he's an employee of IBM.

You jelly bro?

That's my point, it's only really benefit financially by being a contractor, I guess even if they did increase taxation etc.
 

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That's my point, it's only really benefit financially by being a contractor, I guess even if they did increase taxation etc.
That sentence doesn't make any sense. I have no idea what your point is. Try again.

I do hope you're not going to teach English my young gaybo :p
 

Gwadien

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That sentence doesn't make any sense. I have no idea what your point is. Try again.

I do hope you're not going to teach English my young gaybo :p

Purty stoned.

I'm saying either way, contractors will always make money mullah then normal humans?
 

Wij

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Like I said, £500/day for my very skilled friend, or £2500/day for exactly the same if he's an employee of IBM.

You jelly bro?
IBM or Deloittes etc. They are the ones pushing for this. They charge 5 times the rate for consultants who are straight out of university. Independent consultants are usually very experienced. The first thing the large consultancy firms do when they land is try to bad-mouth the independent consultants as they know they know better and they want to replace them with a spotty oik who'll cost the client several times more. Later on they'll suggest that the reason the project they failed to deliver was because of the whole IT department of permies and that they should replace it with the outsourced services of themselves.
 

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That's my point, it's only really benefit financially by being a contractor, I guess even if they did increase taxation etc.
Why increase taxation anyway? Independent consultants should be taxed using the same framework as large consultancies.
 

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Why increase taxation anyway? Independent consultants should be taxed using the same framework as large consultancies.

Hmm...

I guess it's because when you have large consultancies in mind, they usually have the extra staff to deal with, whereas independent consultants don't have that extra 'baggage' - but they still use the legal loopholes in order to get more money, but that money was intended to be used to build the consultancy, but you have no intention of doing so.
 

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Hmm...

I guess it's because when you have large consultancies in mind, they usually have the extra staff to deal with, whereas independent consultants don't have that extra 'baggage' - but they still use the legal loopholes in order to get more money, but that money was intended to be used to build the consultancy, but you have no intention of doing so.
A client doesn't need a large backroom staff. That doesn't benefit them.

The money isn't intended to be used for growth. It's normal profit to encourage business.
 

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Yeah, it was an epic epic fail. I facepalmed hard.

It matters not if he was meant to be having an ironic dig at the tories cosy relationship and british subjugation to the chinese (which it was) - he's a fucking idiot if he thinks the british public are going to see it any other way than it's being seen.

Maybe he credits the public with the ability to cut through the shit and see the nuance. But the fact that the sun, the star and the mail still sell papers should tell him otherwise...
 

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It doesn't realty matter if it was a joke or not, he might as well have quoted Hitler.
 

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It doesn't realty matter if it was a joke or not, he might as well have quoted Hitler.
That's taking it a bit further down the scale. But yep. The "great" british public (and the press) simply won't get it (or report it that way) - and he should have known that beforehand.
 

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erm...

That's not really the point now is it?

That little red book stands for quite a lot, specifically the torture and murder of hundreds of thousands of people, shit like he was quoting was quoted at executions and trials before people were sent to work camps.

There is not a lot to "get" he attempted to make a joke out of something the looney left think is happening, and made a shit one, trivialising what happened (and still happens!) in China, that only really ended up offending a load of people.
 

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@Raven - he was attempting to point out that the Tories are chumming up with oppressive China - which they've done without even bringing up China's shocking human rights record - a position he disagrees with.

Yes, it was ham-fisted. But no more than that. It in no way implies support of the Chinese and, in fact, the exact opposite.

But the retard press won't be painting it that way. And he should have realised that.
 

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Not sure if this is what you was all talking about already, but wonder how many more little hidden snippets we will find in next few days
http://www.ucatt.org.uk/construction-workers-face-wage-loss-following-umbrella-company-expenses-ban

...but this is fare. If work paid for my dinners I would have to pay tax on it as a benefit. Its making it more equal.

People have been taking the piss for years avoiding PAYE, its a loophole that is being closed, its not perfect but its a start. Now they need to go after the big corps too.
 

Talivar

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Yea not posting things i find fair or unfair, just things that was not talked about in the Review yesterday
 

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Don't collapse now ffs, far too soon. We need at least a general election from him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34940728

Looks like everyone's favourite racist is missing the point as well and I think Ken Livingston must have just said the first thing that isn't crazy in his life, that on matters of war nobody should be expected to follow the party vote, either way.
 
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Talivar

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Tbh tho he is right this time, Bombing alone is pointless, doesnt achieve anything and is just a farce and pretense to stop our Government looking like they dont care.
 

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Whether he is right or not is not the issue.

Forcing people to vote as to whether we go to war should be up to the person themselves, not comrade Corbyn, who decided on his own, ignoring his shadow cabinet, which may well fall apart over the next week or so.

Towing the party line is fine for day to day stuff, going to war or not should be up to the individual and their conscience.
 

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Actually, whilst I largely agree with you there @Raven, in this instance THE most important issue is whether he's right. And people seem to be focussing less on that and more on your correct-but-less-important argument.
 

Talivar

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He has not forced them tho, at this point all he has done is say he himself is not convinced and will not be backing it. Atm the rumors suggest there will be a free vote on it. You have to remember the last 2 major things he disagreed with the labour majority was the Iraq War and backing the bankers, and both times he was actually the one that was right so now he is PM i doubt he will so easily back down to the people who have shown in the past they are wrong.
 

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People mock him for being the weak link but the reality its the rest of the party that's the problem, the same people who completely failed to grasp what the country really needed or wanted at the last election
 

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The thing is, this isn't the same situation as last time we had a vote to bomb Syria - that was for regime change, this time it's to get rid of ISIS, and the UN have suggested that countries use all means necessary to get rid of them.

If there was even the slightest chance you could negotiate with this particular band of snackbars then I would be all for it, but they've shown repeatedly the only thing they understand is violence, so if that's what it takes then that's what we should do.

Dropping bombs is never ideal, but unless anyone has any better ideas, then I suspect that is what is needed. The UK population seems pretty well behind the idea as well.
 

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