Politics The General Election 2015

[Gwadien]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32374871


So he's literally Islamaphobic?

 

[Scouse]

I know @Bodhi and @Raven love a pop at right-on Guardian readers but lets face it, it's the bottom feeders who read the Sun (and it's awful tabloid-a-like siblings) who deserve their lives holeing below the water line

 

[Raven]

They are as bad as one another, different sides of the coin.

Its quite frightening that they have published that piss though.

 

[Raven]

Actually, part of me hopes its some form of art. Some sort of fucked up devils advocate skit.

 

[Gwadien]

Actually, part of me hopes its some form of art. Some sort of fucked up devils advocate skit.

Suppose in one way or another it could say that they're the saviours of free speech.

 

[Scouse]

They are as bad as one another, different sides of the coin.

I don't think so.

NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.

I still don’t care.

One calls for the murder of the vulnerable innocent and says it doesn't give a fuck - the other is a bit wet.

They're demonstrably not "as bad as one another".

Its quite frightening that they have published that piss though.

This, however, is 100% correct.

 

[Job]

Stop fukin defending bombing Gaddafi, it was a monumental, politically correct cock up, totally destabilised the country and then somehow managed to silence the media about the carnage...whatever your prejudice Farage is telling the truth about our intervention, but it's hardly new news.

 

[Gwadien]

Stop fukin defending bombing Gaddafi, it was a monumental, politically correct cock up, totally destabilised the country and then somehow managed to silence the media about the carnage...whatever your prejudice Farage is telling the truth about our intervention, but it's hardly new news.

LOL WHAT

No-one is defending the bombing of Gaddafi.

I can't even start to respond properly.

One question I have for you @Job (I have asked many, and you refuse to answer them every time)

Anyway - Farage wants to lower the aid budget, but if you're going to lower the aid budget then countries receiving that money will have less money to spend on development, and therefore increase emigration, where's the logic behind it?

 

[Raven]

Suppose in one way or another it could say that they're the saviours of free speech.

I wouldn't say so. She is quite entitled to say what she has said on her own platform (she is just trolling ti add to her fucked up ip, nobody can be that retarded) but for a national newspaper to publish it is disgusting.

 

[Raven]

I know @Bodhi and @Raven love a pop at right-on Guardian readers but lets face it, it's the bottom feeders who read the Sun (and it's awful tabloid-a-like siblings) who deserve their lives holeing below the water line

I meant in general. The sun and the guardian, both utter drivel with their own political agendas.

That artical has to be a winner though.

 

[Job]

LOL WHAT

No-one is defending the bombing of Gaddafi.

I can't even start to respond properly.

One question I have for you @Job (I have asked many, and you refuse to answer them every time)

Anyway - Farage wants to lower the aid budget, but if you're going to lower the aid budget then countries receiving that money will have less money to spend on development, and therefore increase emigration, where's the logic behind it?

I was referring to the politicians...obviously not the people here...really come on.
Firstly aid isn't money, we don't send actual cash, it is goods we sell at a cut down price, which actually hurts the local competition, do you honestly think we would send money out of the goodness of our hearts.

 

[Moriath]

LOL WHAT

No-one is defending the bombing of Gaddafi.

I can't even start to respond properly.

One question I have for you @Job (I have asked many, and you refuse to answer them every time)

Anyway - Farage wants to lower the aid budget, but if you're going to lower the aid budget then countries receiving that money will have less money to spend on development, and therefore increase emigration, where's the logic behind it?

I dont know if we still are but it was going round a few months ago that we still give aid to india. A country with its own space program etc etc.. So i think it could be reshuffled rather than writting the same cheques each year. Libya is a right cluster fuck. But it would have been if we hadnt done stuff to support the rebels as well. Either way the migration thing would be an issue. Italy is a rich country. Compared to some. Just moaning about its responsibility.

 

[Raven]

Yeah, we give money to some very rich countries because their governments are broken. Its not really fair for anyone.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yeah, we give money to some very rich countries because their governments are broken. Its not really fair for anyone.

India's government isn't broken. Not that we actually give aid to India anymore anyway. Last year was the last of it.

 

[Moriath]

India's government isn't broken. Not that we actually give aid to India anymore anyway. Last year was the last of it.

Its class system is.

 

[Job]

So Ms Hopkins is shouted down and ridiculed for suggesting we burn all the boats while it turns out that is one of the recommendations by the EU thinktank.

 

[Raven]

Yes but I don't think the EU are suggesting we do it while they are in use...

 

[Raven]

India's government isn't broken. Not that we actually give aid to India anymore anyway. Last year was the last of it.

Yes it is. Millions in poverty...and a space program.

 

[Ormorof]

A space program that is achieving incredible results at a fraction of the costs

 

[Raven]

A space program that is achieving incredible results at a fraction of the costs

Irrelevant. We are still giving financial aid to a country that has a space program. It doesn't matter that it is now stopping, it has been going on for years.

 

[Ormorof]

True but as has been stated its not in the form of cash, that aid is keeping british businesses going (wasn't there some famous example about radar stations built in uk being given as aid to some country in africa without an airforce? Or is rhat a myth?)

 

[Gwadien]

We need a puppet to control the African Union or what ever it's called, then give them funding to improve the countries.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yes it is. Millions in poverty...and a space program.

Some would argue a space program is a good way to get those millions out of poverty. And as for UK aid; well as ever, the devil is in the detail; its relatively small sums of money, and unsurprising given a. our past relationship with India, and b. the number of people of Indian descent in the UK. Just like the US used to give money to Ireland (and I mean official money, not IRA money) because it plays well at home. Most of the "aid" given recently was for stuff like women's rights and social programmes, and British Council money, which is actually as much about promoting Britain as anything else.

 

[Gwadien]

Frankly, in regards to the med, we can either send the army and send all the boats back, or we accept them into our countries and improve their countries at the same time so less emigrate.

Would be difficult for Europe to carry Africa though

 

[Hawkwind]

India's government isn't broken. Not that we actually give aid to India anymore anyway. Last year was the last of it.

No, its corrupt and would rather the west deals with its poor and destitute whilst it builds N bombs and spend enormous sums of money on promoting brand India. No one should comment on India that has not been there or tried to deal with the government. No EU or US can legally do business there as nothing happens without greasing palms. It is a corrupt puerile society devoid of any morals or ethics. The poor need to rise up and put an end to the caste system. /rant off

 

[Moriath]

No, its corrupt and would rather the west deals with its poor and destitute whilst it builds N bombs and spend enormous sums of money on promoting brand India. No one should comment on India that has not been there or tried to deal with the government. No EU or US can legally do business there as nothing happens without greasing palms. It is a corrupt puerile society devoid of any morals or ethics. The poor need to rise up and put an end to the caste system. /rant off

Its stupid that just because you are born to a toilet cleaner you are always branded as such and the lack of social mobility puts even the uk to shame. Hehe

 

[DaGaffer]

No, its corrupt and would rather the west deals with its poor and destitute whilst it builds N bombs and spend enormous sums of money on promoting brand India. No one should comment on India that has not been there or tried to deal with the government. No EU or US can legally do business there as nothing happens without greasing palms. It is a corrupt puerile society devoid of any morals or ethics. The poor need to rise up and put an end to the caste system. /rant off

Caste system excepted, you've just described all of Africa, large parts of South-East Asia, Latin America and anywhere where Russians live.

And whether you like it or not, promoting "brand India" has worked in driving up GDP. Whether that money is going to the right places is a different matter entirely. I'm sure India is an appalling place to do business, but that's hardly unique.

 

[Hawkwind]

And whether you like it or not, promoting "brand India" has worked in driving up GDP. Whether that money is going to the right places is a different matter entirely. I'm sure India is an appalling place to do business, but that's hardly unique.

One of, if not the most corrupt countries outside of Africa. It's unusual to see those practices inside government but India its endemic in everything they do. If you don't play the game it simply does not get done. The GDP was rising but is declining now due to the poor currency rates and inflation. Don't get me started on UK's special case import licenses for Indian companies. Meanwhile they make it near impossible to do anything the other way. I would abolish the bloody lot tomorrow and put them on standard tariffs. How long are we expected to pay for the sins of the past...

The middle class is growing but whether it is sustainable is another issue. Personally I think the west has somewhat woken up regards the whole call center and IT support services. I know the US have cut the number of VISA quite substantially and some congressmen are actively campaigning against US companies doing work in India. Protectionist but they see Indian IT Service companies just sending over noobs and getting their training in the US before moving on. Even in modern IT India the caste system is evident, in both local and the western operations in Bangalore or New Mumbai. I can't honestly describe what it is like trying to do business there, f'in awful and I always feel dirty after it. I try to avoid it whenever possible.

These days I would rather go to Africa and deal with them. Coincidentally I have meetings with a Congo based airline this week Nice genuine people that want to learn and are really pleasant. Regulatory issues are simple with non-corrupt agencies, such a refreshing change from dealing with the sub continent.

 

[Scouse]

Yes it is. Millions in poverty...and a space program.

Like the UK.

 

[DaGaffer]

Like the UK.

We have a space program?